Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Trade Deadline 2/6/25 - 2:00 p.m. CDT

[averageposter]

I wonder if Jimmy Butler is Jimmy Butler anymore. Trade Drama aside, last year when the NBA sucks because load managing is awful discussion was everywhere, Jimmy was one of the guys getting roasted. This year it's there are too many threes,so he is safe. He missed the playoffs with injury and he has put his play at the I would appreciate a trade level. So I have to go back to 33 year old playoff Jimmy to find his joy and the culture. If that guy is still there at 35 when April turns to May, and frankly even if it is I'm not sure it shows up unless he is THE guy, then this deal makes some sense and is only made possible by the drama.

So if you put it, maybe diminished and definitely cranky Butler, for a medically cooked Middleton plus Portis, sure I guess but please no picks.

[Frank Nova]

With new reports now stating Phoenix is willing to add the 2031 1st to a Butler trade, I’m wondering if that’s any type of leverage situation Miami is using to get ours in a Butler deal? Maybe Horst is holding firm there?

[BroncoBuck]

Jimmy played 34 minutes per game last year.

Khris hasn’t done that since 2017.

This is the first season Jimmy has played less than 33 minutes per game since 2012 lol.

We make fun of Heat culture, but damn if those guys aren’t the most well conditioned **** on the floor every night.

[BigO]

Yea, 35 year old players who play 60% of their team's games always fetch 3-5 first rounders.

This is what posters don't understand. 76ers didn't get much at all in return for Butler. And that was 5 years ago when he was better.

But that is disingenuous to the circumstances.

Butler was not going to re sign there so they were going to lose him for nothing. It was not a trade but a sign and trade so this is not the same as most trades

And Butler is going to stay with Miami? Not much difference.

Miami is not going to re-sign Butler and they don't want him on their team. They have very little leverage to demand anything.

[averageposter]

Jimmy played 34 minutes per game last year.

Khris hasn’t done that since 2017.

This is the first season Jimmy has played less than 33 minutes per game since 2012 lol.

Sure but this year those minutes are accounted for as present on the court. The last few games pre-suspension were just standing in the corner pleading for a trade. Pretty disinterested most of this year. Granted Middleton wasn't willing to stand out there until a month ago, but the cliff is out there for everyone except LBJ apparently.

[Ron Swanson]

With new reports now stating Phoenix is willing to add the 2031 1st to a Butler trade, I’m wondering if that’s any type of leverage situation Miami is using to get ours in a Butler deal? Maybe Horst is holding firm there?

I'd be stunned if Phoenix is still in this. They just blew all their remaining 2nd's on Nick Richards. They'd arguably need that 2031 1st just for some team to take Beal's contract. And most importantly, Beal still hasn't indicated he'd waive his no-trade clause. I think they know it's a pipe dream at this point. Riley doesn't want Beal and their remaining junk, so PHX has pivoted to other targets while still keeping up the ruse for now.

[Iheartfootball]

I'm sure Chonesy-T is salivating over the prospect of getting ANOTHER MU stud.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

bucks out: dame, patc
bucks in: butler, chris paul, 2 miami #1s

miami in: dame
miami out: butler, 3 miami #1s

spurs in: patc, miami #1
spurs out: chris paul

paul/rollins
ajj/green
butler/middleton
giannis/middleton
lopez/portis

theres your 9 man rotation if you want a trade that might make us better for this year and definitely better long term. paul is just a vet pg who fits the mold and the salary slot

rollins needs to play and we get picks to consolidate with portis and lopez in deal #2 later if we wanted. i could do something like this if we just haaaad to have jimmy butler.

[jimmybones]

Yea, 35 year old players who play 60% of their team's games always fetch 3-5 first rounders.

Sure, 3-5 picks might be a stretch, I agree with you. That detail is not the point though.

If it weren't for the drama then we wouldn't have the ammo to even be in the conversation. If he didn't want out, would ANYONE be discussing offering them Middleton and Portis? That deal is laughed at if you remove the drama. The drama is why this is even remotely plausible.

The drama is a very reasonable cause for hesitation to even consider bringing him in. Not wanting to move on from Middleton, if for no other reason than to keep our superstar happy, another very reasonable consideration.

Again, it's a very boom or bust proposition but none of the bust risk is related to his on court ability and his on court ability provides for such a tremendous upside that I don't see how we can pass on considering it.

We're simply not adding a needle moving talent of his caliber without there being an abnormal circumstance causing it.


Bottom line, if the season ended today and we were entering the playoffs with:

A. Giannis, Jimmy, Dame

or

B. Giannis, Dame, Khris

Which would you all feel better about our odds of winning a championship?

[ReasonablySober]

Yea, 35 year old players who play 60% of their team's games always fetch 3-5 first rounders.

Sure, 3-5 picks might be a stretch, I agree with you. That detail is not the point though.

If it weren't for the drama then we wouldn't have the ammo to even be in the conversation. If he didn't want out, would ANYONE be discussing offering them Middleton and Portis? That deal is laughed at if you remove the drama. The drama is why this is even remotely plausible.

The drama is a very reasonable cause for hesitation to even consider bringing him in. Not wanting to move on from Middleton, if for no other reason than to keep our superstar happy, another very reasonable consideration.

Again, it's a very boom or bust proposition but none of the bust risk is related to his on court ability and his on court ability provides for such a tremendous upside that I don't see how we can pass on considering it.

We're simply not adding a needle moving talent of his caliber without there being an abnormal circumstance causing it.


Bottom line, if the season ended today and we were entering the playoffs with:

A. Giannis, Jimmy, Dame

or

B. Giannis, Dame, Khris

Which would you all feel better about our odds of winning a championship?

I don't think it matters. I don't think either Jimmy nor Khris are pieces that put the Bucks over the top to contention. I have no faith in the Bucks being able to win a series after round one.

Part of the appeal of Jimmy is just that you can clear $50 million or so from the books this summer and be one step closer to flexibility.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

middleton straight up for butler makes miami better because butler is a suspended ass with a toxic contract situation. why arent they giving up picks? why wouldnt we also receive whatever portis 3rd team value is if we have to use him to match salary? wtf possible reason is it our job to dump assets to include patc or for any other part of this deal?

we have positve value players. middleton is a CORE PIECE on a good deal and a wonderful milwaukee buck with an iconic legacy. in the last two playoffs HE was our monster.......they have the problem...... they have the toxic asset

it will absolutely destroy me to trade middleton plus cash and assets for butler. literally gary payton 2.0. khris aint a young ray but the story is the same.

[msiris]

Yea, 35 year old players who play 60% of their team's games always fetch 3-5 first rounders.

Sure, 3-5 picks might be a stretch, I agree with you. That detail is not the point though.

If it weren't for the drama then we wouldn't have the ammo to even be in the conversation. If he didn't want out, would ANYONE be discussing offering them Middleton and Portis? That deal is laughed at if you remove the drama. The drama is why this is even remotely plausible.

The drama is a very reasonable cause for hesitation to even consider bringing him in. Not wanting to move on from Middleton, if for no other reason than to keep our superstar happy, another very reasonable consideration.

Again, it's a very boom or bust proposition but none of the bust risk is related to his on court ability and his on court ability provides for such a tremendous upside that I don't see how we can pass on considering it.

We're simply not adding a needle moving talent of his caliber without there being an abnormal circumstance causing it.


Bottom line, if the season ended today and we were entering the playoffs with:

A. Giannis, Jimmy, Dame

or

B. Giannis, Dame, Khris

Which would you all feel better about our odds of winning a championship?

Neither. Lots of injury prone guys on both a and b.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Yea, 35 year old players who play 60% of their team's games always fetch 3-5 first rounders.

Sure, 3-5 picks might be a stretch, I agree with you. That detail is not the point though.

If it weren't for the drama then we wouldn't have the ammo to even be in the conversation. If he didn't want out, would ANYONE be discussing offering them Middleton and Portis? That deal is laughed at if you remove the drama. The drama is why this is even remotely plausible.

The drama is a very reasonable cause for hesitation to even consider bringing him in. Not wanting to move on from Middleton, if for no other reason than to keep our superstar happy, another very reasonable consideration.

Again, it's a very boom or bust proposition but none of the bust risk is related to his on court ability and his on court ability provides for such a tremendous upside that I don't see how we can pass on considering it.

We're simply not adding a needle moving talent of his caliber without there being an abnormal circumstance causing it.


Bottom line, if the season ended today and we were entering the playoffs with:

A. Giannis, Jimmy, Dame

or

B. Giannis, Dame, Khris

Which would you all feel better about our odds of winning a championship?

it would be fun as a bucks fan to get a 5 game glimpse of butler in a bucks uniform but im perfectly fine with

giannis/dame/khris

and if i had to move somebody for butler it would be dame. i suppose if butler is that guy you want with his ball in his hands then one of giannis or dame has to go. you cant have 3 number ones offensively. khris knows how to play off a number one.

and on defense.....giannis/butler/khris is built better for the modern playoffs if theyre all healthy and we have to play a switching scheme. that wing defense and size with ajj or rollins gaurding the point of attack makes alot of sense. we wouldnt have to hide anybody

the issue on defense is how teams can target lopez or dame. teams dont target middleton. middleton/butler/giannis with ajj/rollins/green has alot of potential on both sides of the ball

[-Jragon-]

A... Dame and Giannis need deflections, chaos and defensive stops in order to maximize their run and gun strengths. If chaos were to be personified in the NBA... that's Jimmy B.. Having half court non-impact defenders KM/Bobby/Pat C out of the rotation and having Jimmy B/AJJ/GTJ/Rollins flying around getting deflections and causing chaos is at least a direction and I think it's the right direction to get what we all want to see out of GA and DL which is 40 and 50+ point games where everyone is hot.. that comes from playing faster.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

Woahhhhh.... wait man.. He's talking about the whole trade and then if Butler opts out.. right? Our only 2 big salaries next year are Dame and Giannis... everyone else is on that youngster deal. If Butler gets extended/opts in then yeah that's different.

You don't open cap room until you drop the cap hold on Brook, but that's another player to replace. Giannis and Dame take 70% of the cap, no matter what the cap is set at. With minimum cap holds, there's isn't enough to get anyone actually good. This FA class sucks too.

Is that true? Don't know this CBA as well but I don't think it re-indexes to the cap every year. It's just the first year value of a max extension isn't really known until the cap's set for that year.

Correct. It does not re-index.

[yannis-akumpo]

I am unbelievably torn on the Butler trade idea... Assuming Jimmy starts playing like himself again, our team is much better with him than with middleton/portis. He would put up AT LEAST the amount of point K midd does now and play much better defense allowing for more transition opportunities for Dame and Giannis. He is theortically the perfect SF with Dame and Giannis.

[emunney]

Yea, 35 year old players who play 60% of their team's games always fetch 3-5 first rounders.

This is what posters don't understand. 76ers didn't get much at all in return for Butler. And that was 5 years ago when he was better.

But that is disingenuous to the circumstances.

Butler was not going to re sign there so they were going to lose him for nothing. It was not a trade but a sign and trade so this is not the same as most trades

That's the same as what's happening now.

[ShootingtheJ]

Yea, 35 year old players who play 60% of their team's games always fetch 3-5 first rounders.

Sure, 3-5 picks might be a stretch, I agree with you. That detail is not the point though.

If it weren't for the drama then we wouldn't have the ammo to even be in the conversation. If he didn't want out, would ANYONE be discussing offering them Middleton and Portis? That deal is laughed at if you remove the drama. The drama is why this is even remotely plausible.

The drama is a very reasonable cause for hesitation to even consider bringing him in. Not wanting to move on from Middleton, if for no other reason than to keep our superstar happy, another very reasonable consideration.

Again, it's a very boom or bust proposition but none of the bust risk is related to his on court ability and his on court ability provides for such a tremendous upside that I don't see how we can pass on considering it.

We're simply not adding a needle moving talent of his caliber without there being an abnormal circumstance causing it.


Bottom line, if the season ended today and we were entering the playoffs with:

A. Giannis, Jimmy, Dame

or

B. Giannis, Dame, Khris

Which would you all feel better about our odds of winning a championship?

So convenient to leave Bobby out of option B, and potential additions we could get with the draft picks will likely have gone out to get A.

[Ron Swanson]

Miami could theoretically sit on his contract and dare him to stay home the rest of the year, but I don't think that actually benefits them in any way. Any team that wants him, wants him for a 2025 playoff run. Riley has no one to blame but himself for getting into this mess, even if Jimmy is being a diva about it.

[ShootingtheJ]

Miami could theoretically sit on his contract and dare him to stay home the rest of the year, but I don't think that actually benefits them in any way. Any team that wants him, wants him for a 2025 playoff run. Riley has no one to blame but himself for getting into this mess, even if Jimmy is being a diva about it.

Agree, and if Miami doesn't make the playoffs this year, they give up an unprotected pick next year. They're very motivated to win this year, and that's tough to do without Jimmy playing or Jimmy’s trade returns playing.