Jester_ wrote:Onus wrote:Jester_ wrote:
He's easily Chet-tier and there's at least 3 or 4 others in that bucket as prospects
You think he's in the Chet's tier? Chet is a 7' unicorn who can dribble pass and shoot, while anchoring a defense as a 5. Coop is a 6'9 pf who is more of a roamer than an anchor on defense, who can also dribble pass and shoot, but I'm not sure he's going to be a high 25+ ppg scorer to make up for not being as tall as Chet on defense. I would easily take Chet before Coop without much thought. I did say he was in Chet's tier but on the lower end of that tier. I even put Dylan Harper in that tier as well, but 3-4 more people in that tier. No way! There's already a clear tier between Coop and Dylan. Those are the top 2 prospects in this draft and then there's a clear drop off making it clear that there's a tier here.
Tre Johnson is maybe the closest to join that tier, but I think he tops out as a solid no 2 option.
Kasparas is nice, but he's not a real no 1 option. He's going to have a lot of struggles similar to Podz. Maybe he's a more willing shooter than Podz but he's going to struggle against athletic defenders especially if he's the no 1 option.
Ace doesn't have the handle to create real separation, let alone the burst from a standstill to be a no 1 creator. He should be fine as a 3 + D player though but he really needs to clean up his shot.
Fears is a 6'4'' pg. Like whatever, he's not some super athlete that is going to be able to blow by people at will. Like he'll be fine but he's not Ja, Rose, or Westbrook or anything like that. He should be solid.
VJ can't dribble as a guard.
Asa is a 6'10'' center that doesn't really rebound.
I'm really struggling to see who else you're putting in the same tier as Chet and Banchero, basically 7' unicorns that can dribble pass and shoot. Banchero is by far the most likely to be a no 1 option outside of maybe Harper but Banchero is 6'11'' and is a built like a truck. Chet is an amazing 2nd option that can anchor a defense. There's no one in this draft outside of Coop and Harper that are even close to these guys as prospects and again Coop and Harper are at the lower end of that tier. Sorry none of these prospects belong in that tier 2.
first, it's a wild take to say Banchero is a #1 option and Chet is not. Banchero is nothing special yet. Coop is significantly outproducing Banchero's freshman year despite being a year younger - and unlike Paolo, can guard all 5 positions
second, as a prospect Jabari Smith was ranked by many as higher than both Banchero and Chet. in this draft, Ace Bailey is basically a more athletic Jabari Smith and he's potentially not even going top 10
i'm not gonna go player by player and if you disagree that's fine, but it's not arbitrary reasons that people are excited about this class
I said most likely to be a no 1 option. Banchero isn't a good no 1 option right now but the magic are seeing if he can be. I think Harper has a shot, which is why he's in that tier 2. Chet isn't really an isolation scorer but give him a step and some space and he's great. Maybe he becomes more but probably not with SGA and Jdub on the team. But in any case these players are all in the same tier as prospects. You want to quibble about where they are or who they can become whatever. We're agreeing that Paolo, Chet, Harper, Cooper are all in Tier 2.
Jabari shot 42% from 3 and 80% from the ft line and was an insane defender at 6'10'' and could switch 1-5. Bailey is shooting 36-37% from 3 and 60% from the line while not being close to the defender Jabari is. Jabari is clearing Bailey. Jabari has more in common with Coop than Bailey and Coop is clearly no 1 in this class. Bailey can jump, but his basketball athleticism out of that is nothing special. He struggles to separate which is why he takes all these tough jumpers. Bailey should be fine long term as long as you're not asking him to create offense. He'll probably settle into being a 3+D player, if you can get his shot selection under control but will probably take a while to get there. Which is what Jabari is but Jabari is an insane defender and a better shooter coming out of college. Bailey isn't on that tier. You knew what you were getting with Jabari a 6'10'' switchable defender that is a knockdown shooter. Bailey might become the defender, he might be able to shoot, takes questionable shots there are a lot more question marks with Bailey than Jabari. You really think Bailey should be a tier 2 prospect up there with Chet, Paulo, Cooper, Harper? But he's dropping out of the top 10 to you? If he's a tier 2 prospect to YOU, then he's most definitely not dropping out of YOUR top 10. Make that make sense. There are not 10 prospects that are in tier 2 in this draft otherwise we'd be seeing Chet like prospects 1-10. You're definitely not saying that right?
