Hart attack? Josh is calling someone out...(link)

[rajajackal]

It's ridiculous to really think it is anything more than a generic statement directed at the team overall. Play better and you win. Period. People trying to pin this on any one single person are being silly. Ever think he was talking about himself as well?

yup, i agree that it's more of a general postgame sports-speak PR quote. i'm just saying who it could be directed towards if anybody, and that thinking it's about any coach is hopeful projection

Thinking it is about anyone is hopeful projection. It's a generic statement that could be applied to any losing team. HC to the last man on the court. Uninformed opinions about who it is directed towards are nothing more than that. Thibs is an arrogant coach. JB/Hart or both arrogant on different levels. Maybe he was talking about all three. Himself included. Who cares?

We are 26-14. Nothing to see here.

the point is that when you talk about sacrifice and checking egos after an nba game it is 100% obviously not about the coach, whether it's just empty platitudes, about the team as a whole, or some spooky allusion to a certain player, it is objectively a statement about what the team is doing on the floor. not about the coach, schemes, or minutes

[Jalen Bluntson]

yup, i agree that it's more of a general postgame sports-speak PR quote. i'm just saying who it could be directed towards if anybody, and that thinking it's about any coach is hopeful projection

Thinking it is about anyone is hopeful projection. It's a generic statement that could be applied to any losing team. HC to the last man on the court. Uninformed opinions about who it is directed towards are nothing more than that. Thibs is an arrogant coach. JB/Hart or both arrogant on different levels. Maybe he was talking about all three. Himself included. Who cares?

We are 26-14. Nothing to see here.

the point is that when you talk about sacrifice and checking egos after an nba game it is 100% obviously not about the coach, whether it's just empty platitudes, about the team as a whole, or some spooky allusion to a certain player, it is objectively a statement about what the team is doing on the floor. not about the coach, schemes, or minutes

Yeah. That's your opinion. Not everyone shares that opinion. That's all.

[rajajackal]

Thinking it is about anyone is hopeful projection. It's a generic statement that could be applied to any losing team. HC to the last man on the court. Uninformed opinions about who it is directed towards are nothing more than that. Thibs is an arrogant coach. JB/Hart or both arrogant on different levels. Maybe he was talking about all three. Himself included. Who cares?

We are 26-14. Nothing to see here.

the point is that when you talk about sacrifice and checking egos after an nba game it is 100% obviously not about the coach, whether it's just empty platitudes, about the team as a whole, or some spooky allusion to a certain player, it is objectively a statement about what the team is doing on the floor. not about the coach, schemes, or minutes

Yeah. That's your opinion. Not everyone shares that opinion. That's all.

that's not what an opinion is it is an objective fact that those words are about player decision-making and not coaching. speculating which player specifically, if any, would be where theorizing and opinions begin

[3toheadmelo]

yup, i agree that it's more of a general postgame sports-speak PR quote. i'm just saying who it could be directed towards if anybody, and that thinking it's about any coach is hopeful projection

Thinking it is about anyone is hopeful projection. It's a generic statement that could be applied to any losing team. HC to the last man on the court. Uninformed opinions about who it is directed towards are nothing more than that. Thibs is an arrogant coach. JB/Hart or both arrogant on different levels. Maybe he was talking about all three. Himself included. Who cares?

We are 26-14. Nothing to see here.

the point is that when you talk about sacrifice and checking egos after an nba game it is 100% obviously not about the coach, whether it's just empty platitudes, about the team as a whole, or some spooky allusion to a certain player, it is objectively a statement about what the team is doing on the floor. not about the coach, schemes, or minutes

Yep. Not sure how anyone can possibly think it’s about Thibs unless you have some agenda against him. It’s extremely obvious it’s about the team as a whole or some player. Like how the hell can a coach “sacrifice” for the betterment of the team? I’ve never heard of that ever in my life as a sports fan.

[Jalen Bluntson]

the point is that when you talk about sacrifice and checking egos after an nba game it is 100% obviously not about the coach, whether it's just empty platitudes, about the team as a whole, or some spooky allusion to a certain player, it is objectively a statement about what the team is doing on the floor. not about the coach, schemes, or minutes

Yeah. That's your opinion. Not everyone shares that opinion. That's all.

that's not what an opinion is it is an objective fact that those words are about player decision-making and not coaching. speculating which player specifically, if any, would be where theorizing and opinions begin

You're clearly interpreting what YOU think he's saying. Unless you get it from his mouth you are only giving your opinion on what he is talking about. I really don't care about any of this enough to continue to comment on it. The team was losing and his feelings were hurt. He sucked in the game he made that comment after as well. It's not one person he's referring to. Josh talks a lot. He also trolls and talks a lot of shyt.

Have fun chasing the rabbit down his hole. I'll stay up here where the team is 26-14 and the #3 seed. Looking forward to the bench getting it together.

[ctorres]

I think it's Mikal after watching a few plays last night. Mikal is being relegated to running to the corners, catch and shoot. Mikal gets himself open but Josh and Jalen don't pass him the ball sometimes.

If Mikal had known that his college buddies would use him like Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, maybe he would have said hell no and stayed in Brooklyn.

Mikal has the talent to be an all-star, and maybe he feels Jalen and Josh are holding him back. Mikal is playing for a Max entension. Next year is the last year of his deal. He's playing the most minutes on his team, therefore sacrificing his body more than the rest of the team.

Mikal just came off an 18 game stretch in which he was averaging 22 ppg on 56/39/74 splits. Last 3 games, he has scored a TOTAL of 16 points. He barely got any touches against Milwaukee, but maybe that was punishment for being so bad against Toronto and OKC.

[Spree2Houston]

I think it's Mikal after watching a few plays last night. Mikal is being relegated to running to the corners, catch and shoot. Mikal gets himself open but Josh and Jalen don't pass him the ball sometimes.

If Mikal had known that his college buddies would use him like Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, maybe he would have said hell no and stayed in Brooklyn.

Mikal has the talent to be an all-star, and maybe he feels Jalen and Josh are holding him back. Mikal is playing for a Max entension. Next year is the last year of his deal. He's playing the most minutes on his team, therefore sacrificing his body more than the rest of the team.

Mikal just came off an 18 game stretch in which he was averaging 22 ppg on 56/39/74 splits. Last 3 games, he has scored a TOTAL of 16 points. He barely got any touches against Milwaukee, but maybe that was punishment for being so bad against Toronto and OKC.

Yes and No. Personally, I believe it’s OG and Mikal. You can tell both want to become all stars and fight for possessions between them. I feel Hart is better suited for the bench. If Mitch was healthy the he would be starting and Mikal and OG would take on more playmaking duties. Right now Hart plays as the 2nd PG in the lineup which relegates OG and Mikal to spot up possessions.

[ctorres]

I think it's Mikal after watching a few plays last night. Mikal is being relegated to running to the corners, catch and shoot. Mikal gets himself open but Josh and Jalen don't pass him the ball sometimes.

If Mikal had known that his college buddies would use him like Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, maybe he would have said hell no and stayed in Brooklyn.

Mikal has the talent to be an all-star, and maybe he feels Jalen and Josh are holding him back. Mikal is playing for a Max entension. Next year is the last year of his deal. He's playing the most minutes on his team, therefore sacrificing his body more than the rest of the team.

Mikal just came off an 18 game stretch in which he was averaging 22 ppg on 56/39/74 splits. Last 3 games, he has scored a TOTAL of 16 points. He barely got any touches against Milwaukee, but maybe that was punishment for being so bad against Toronto and OKC.

Yes and No. Personally, I believe it’s OG and Mikal. You can tell both want to become all stars and fight for possessions between them. I feel Hart is better suited for the bench. If Mitch was healthy the he would be starting and Mikal and OG would take on more playmaking duties. Right now Hart plays as the 2nd PG in the lineup which relegates OG and Mikal to spot up possessions.

If Josh came off the bench, I don't know if he would be able to justify the $20 million a season that he makes. Off the bench last season, Josh averaged 7 ppg, 6 rpg, 3 apg.

[8516knicks]

Yup

Can yall explain this one

Do they have agendas other than doing whatever best features Brunson and makes him look like a superstar?

No. That’s the problem. Brunson’s scoring needs to go down and his assists up. Making his teammates better should be his priority.

Btw, I’m against family on the bench.

But when his scoring goes up, like against the Bucs, we win. And those 40pt games last year.

[8516knicks]

I think it's Mikal after watching a few plays last night. Mikal is being relegated to running to the corners, catch and shoot. Mikal gets himself open but Josh and Jalen don't pass him the ball sometimes.

If Mikal had known that his college buddies would use him like Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, maybe he would have said hell no and stayed in Brooklyn.

Mikal has the talent to be an all-star, and maybe he feels Jalen and Josh are holding him back. Mikal is playing for a Max entension. Next year is the last year of his deal. He's playing the most minutes on his team, therefore sacrificing his body more than the rest of the team.

Mikal just came off an 18 game stretch in which he was averaging 22 ppg on 56/39/74 splits. Last 3 games, he has scored a TOTAL of 16 points. He barely got any touches against Milwaukee, but maybe that was punishment for being so bad against Toronto and OKC.

Yes and No. Personally, I believe it’s OG and Mikal. You can tell both want to become all stars and fight for possessions between them. I feel Hart is better suited for the bench. If Mitch was healthy the he would be starting and Mikal and OG would take on more playmaking duties. Right now Hart plays as the 2nd PG in the lineup which relegates OG and Mikal to spot up possessions.

If Josh came off the bench, I don't know if he would be able to justify the $20 million a season that he makes. Off the bench last season, Josh averaged 7 ppg, 6 rpg, 3 apg.

He needs to play starter minutes, which on the KNICKS means 42 min a game.

[Spree2Houston]

I think it's Mikal after watching a few plays last night. Mikal is being relegated to running to the corners, catch and shoot. Mikal gets himself open but Josh and Jalen don't pass him the ball sometimes.

If Mikal had known that his college buddies would use him like Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, maybe he would have said hell no and stayed in Brooklyn.

Mikal has the talent to be an all-star, and maybe he feels Jalen and Josh are holding him back. Mikal is playing for a Max entension. Next year is the last year of his deal. He's playing the most minutes on his team, therefore sacrificing his body more than the rest of the team.

Mikal just came off an 18 game stretch in which he was averaging 22 ppg on 56/39/74 splits. Last 3 games, he has scored a TOTAL of 16 points. He barely got any touches against Milwaukee, but maybe that was punishment for being so bad against Toronto and OKC.

Yes and No. Personally, I believe it’s OG and Mikal. You can tell both want to become all stars and fight for possessions between them. I feel Hart is better suited for the bench. If Mitch was healthy the he would be starting and Mikal and OG would take on more playmaking duties. Right now Hart plays as the 2nd PG in the lineup which relegates OG and Mikal to spot up possessions.

If Josh came off the bench, I don't know if he would be able to justify the $20 million a season that he makes. Off the bench last season, Josh averaged 7 ppg, 6 rpg, 3 apg.

While I understand your pov, ultimately the FO will want to justify trading 5FRPs for Mikal

[prophet_of_rage]

Seems like it is OG because Thibs waded in. I think if it was a Nova Knicks thing then that would be dealt with amongst them. Although OG may now be feeling what Randle did last year as the team's highest paid player but forced down the totem poll of importance and fan love.

[Tomato Sauce]

https://www.essentiallysports.com/nba-active-basketball-news-passionate-rant-signals-rift-between-jalen-brunson-and-josh-hart-as-knicks-hc-tom-thibodeau-takes-accountability-for-loss/

After Friday’s defeat, Josh Hart was asked if he thinks their roster has what it takes to compete against the league’s best. He replied, “I think we do. We have to go out there with energy. We have to go out there with no egos. We have to go out there with no individual agendas. We have to go out there & sacrifice.”

I think post people are assuming it's OG, but Bridges has been a roller coaster this season and obviously there have been some usage-sharing issues between KAT, Brunson, and Bridges.

All this while Hart is having his best personal season (though I think he is most suited to the 6th man, bench role).

Na man. If anybody fits the bill it’s Brunson. Brunson needs to stop worrrying about his PPG and distribute more like he did early on in the season. KAT is our best offensive player and Brunson needs to just accept that.

We have so many weapons on the team, Brunson needs to use his weapons more effectively.

[Adelheid]

perhaps its most of the starters. Hart may be correct in stating "egos" rather than ego

[Knicks Byke]

hes throwing **** at the wall and seeing what sticks aka who gets offended. then thats the guy lol

[WaltFrazier]

The point of Thibs wading in was that Hart was wrong

https://nypost.com/2025/01/16/sports/tom-thibodeau-wants-josh-hart-to-think-before-ripping-knicks-mates/

[BrOnXKing1]

This team just doesnt have a good flow. Its basically Jalen trying to create and everyone else standing around or Towns trying to create something. Last years team was beautiful to watch in terms of flow of the offense

[HopelessKnick]

Maybe I'm grasping for straws but keep in mind this team has played without a defensive rim protector and defensive presence under the basket the entire season.

Take Dallas last season---essentially improving their frontcourt defense with Gafford and Washington had them go from 6th seed or even play in team to finals.

Trading for OG last season made us have the most historic january in knick history.

Although the team has overall been doing ok, I believe many expected still a bit more. Just keep in mind that a Thibs team with no defensive force and rim protection under the basket won't play to its full potential. I don't see any player here having ego issues etc. No one doing crazy selfish stuff.

I think for this season our best bet is to get Mitch back, have KAT as a PF/C and Josh off the bench to give the bench a huge boost.

JB
Bridges
OG
KAT
Mitch

will make the line-up super intimidating with huge size. Then you have Deuce, Josh, Precious, Payne off the bench which is a really solid bench that can give the team a great boost. Fingers crossed, I think Mitch's return will give the team a boost people are currently underestimating.

[nykballa2k4]

Yeah. That's your opinion. Not everyone shares that opinion. That's all.

that's not what an opinion is it is an objective fact that those words are about player decision-making and not coaching. speculating which player specifically, if any, would be where theorizing and opinions begin

You're clearly interpreting what YOU think he's saying. Unless you get it from his mouth you are only giving your opinion on what he is talking about. I really don't care about any of this enough to continue to comment on it. The team was losing and his feelings were hurt. He sucked in the game he made that comment after as well. It's not one person he's referring to. Josh talks a lot. He also trolls and talks a lot of shyt.

Have fun chasing the rabbit down his hole. I'll stay up here where the team is 26-14 and the #3 seed. Looking forward to the bench getting it together.

“I think we do. We have to go out there with energy. We have to go out there with no egos. We have to go out there with no individual agendas. We have to go out there & sacrifice.”

JHart there is clearly implying that players are playing with egos and agendas. That part isn't an opinion.
What it means etc is up for debate.
Thibs is not part of the agenda/sacrifice thing unless you include that his scheme may favor one player over another leading for them to not want to make the sacrifice that Hart is talking about.

[Jalen Bluntson]

that's not what an opinion is it is an objective fact that those words are about player decision-making and not coaching. speculating which player specifically, if any, would be where theorizing and opinions begin

You're clearly interpreting what YOU think he's saying. Unless you get it from his mouth you are only giving your opinion on what he is talking about. I really don't care about any of this enough to continue to comment on it. The team was losing and his feelings were hurt. He sucked in the game he made that comment after as well. It's not one person he's referring to. Josh talks a lot. He also trolls and talks a lot of shyt.

Have fun chasing the rabbit down his hole. I'll stay up here where the team is 26-14 and the #3 seed. Looking forward to the bench getting it together.

“I think we do. We have to go out there with energy. We have to go out there with no egos. We have to go out there with no individual agendas. We have to go out there & sacrifice.”

JHart there is clearly implying that players are playing with egos and agendas. That part isn't an opinion.
What it means etc is up for debate.
Thibs is not part of the agenda/sacrifice thing unless you include that his scheme may favor one player over another leading for them to not want to make the sacrifice that Hart is talking about.

No.