FUTURE DRAFT GAMES - NEW THREAD 2/21/22

[durantbird]

Infrequent Finalists - Max 2 Finals

Indy Orlando Brooklyn Utah Denver Toronto Sacramento

Top end talent pool has Jokic Kawhi Oscar Shaq Durant Malone Tracy Howard George Reggie Penny Kidd Harden Stockton Richmond Petrovic Vince Billups Kyrie among others.

If you feel it's too shallow in top end talent, we can make it max 3 finals and add Dallas Pheonix Portland

[Larry_Russell]

What about a pick and roll draft.

Mandatory that every team drafts a pick and roll duo in round 1.
Can make the pairings and let guys go to town building around them

Kevin Johnson and Barkley
Payton and Kemp
Walt Frazier and Willis Reed
Oscar and Kareem
West and Chaimberlan
Kobe and Pau
Paul and Griffin
Curry and Draymond
Parker and Duncan
Nash and Amare
Stockton and Malone
KG and Rondo
Kidd and Dirk

Perhaps have a FGA cost associated with each duo which leaves fewer FGA for the rest of the team to be built around them. and HAVE to use a season where the duo played together as well. Same season for Both too.

[Fadeaway_J]

How about a Iron Man draft? Must have played 82 or more regular season games.

Paul
DRob
Dirk
Hakeem
Harden
Kareem (80s)
Karl
KD (21 but very good)
KG
Kobe
Bird (80s)
LeBron
Jordan
Moses
Duncan

You've suggested this twice and I like it in theory, but is there a simple way to identify eligible players? Seems like it could be a lot of random BR searches.

Also, I would tweak it to include playing all possible games in shortened seasons.

[durantbird]

Something similar to the Choose the Eras idea.

Each participant selects two draft classes and all the draft classes constitute the pool. Twenty draft classes should be more than enough for 10 players, only question is will it be too loaded

[durantbird]

Throwing out there a line of thought. Can we create some idea that enables you to pick a popular star (LeBron, Kawhi, KG, Jokic, Durant, etc.) only if you pair him with some unpopular star (Iverson, Carmelo, Dominique, English, Cousins, etc.). I don't know what the ideal framework for that will be, but maybe we can think of something to achieve this.

Some idea that might be in that direction can be:

You can only pick an MVP-guy along with the top scorer for his club, that never won a chip with this club. Maybe also force one of the more costly seasons for the latter.

That means, that for LeBron you need to pair him with either Ilgauskas or Miami Glen Rice or Elign Baylor. Jokic pairs with English. Duncan pairs with Gervin. Toronto Kawhi pairs with DeRozan. Bird pairs with Antoine Walker. Dirk pairs with Blackman. Some of the pairings are more attractive like Steph+Thurmond or KG+Towns, but I guess that's fine.

Another drawback here would be that if someone picked Magic+Baylor, that makes Kobe totally disqualified, but I guess that's ok as well.

Bumping this idea. Recalled it lately and I think it's worth revisiting

[Larry_Russell]

Throwing out there a line of thought. Can we create some idea that enables you to pick a popular star (LeBron, Kawhi, KG, Jokic, Durant, etc.) only if you pair him with some unpopular star (Iverson, Carmelo, Dominique, English, Cousins, etc.). I don't know what the ideal framework for that will be, but maybe we can think of something to achieve this.

Some idea that might be in that direction can be:

You can only pick an MVP-guy along with the top scorer for his club, that never won a chip with this club. Maybe also force one of the more costly seasons for the latter.

That means, that for LeBron you need to pair him with either Ilgauskas or Miami Glen Rice or Elign Baylor. Jokic pairs with English. Duncan pairs with Gervin. Toronto Kawhi pairs with DeRozan. Bird pairs with Antoine Walker. Dirk pairs with Blackman. Some of the pairings are more attractive like Steph+Thurmond or KG+Towns, but I guess that's fine.

Another drawback here would be that if someone picked Magic+Baylor, that makes Kobe totally disqualified, but I guess that's ok as well.

Bumping this idea. Recalled it lately and I think it's worth revisiting

What if you had to do a pairing basked on FGA cost?

Meaning if you take Jokic at a cost of 14.8 fga, your other player has to be someone who is >24fga.

could be a draft that the 1st 2 rounds you have to select your top 2 guys and their combined FGA has to exceed 40 fga?

[durantbird]

Those two drafts with the All NBA First category got me thinking about this idea:

Allowed players are:
- Winners of All NBA First but no RS MVP
- Finals MVPs but no RS MVP
- Every player with at most one All Star (to diversify from the "no All Star selections" framing, includes players like AK47 Lopez Horace Hayward etc, with current phrasing also Drazen)

Top end talent is deep enough and interesting but removes the MVPs and some usuals like Allen Reggie Klay Butler Peja Horford Rasheed and others. So there are some similarities to the No Multi All NBA First draft, but better top end talent, plus most All Stars removed.

[migya]

fmvp and one team mate draft. Any fmvp and one of his teammates on that season's team's playoff roster.

Must pick a fmvp and teammate from different decades.

[Snakebites]

Those two drafts with the All NBA First category got me thinking about this idea:

Allowed players are:
- Winners of All NBA First but no RS MVP
- Finals MVPs but no RS MVP
- Every player with at most one All Star (to diversify from the "no All Star selections" framing, includes players like AK47 Lopez Horace Hayward etc, with current phrasing also Drazen)

Top end talent is deep enough and interesting but removes the MVPs and some usuals like Allen Reggie Klay Butler Peja Horford Rasheed and others. So there are some similarities to the No Multi All NBA First draft, but better top end talent, plus most All Stars removed.

Calling it right now- a lot of people would mess this up. No matter how well you explain it.

I’d be willing though.

[Fadeaway_J]

The "One Time" Draft (can probably come up with a better name): only players who have either won exactly one championship or appeared in one finals eligible

Kind of a weird pool but the talent seems to be there. If you go 80s to now:

Jokic
Howard
Ewing
Moses
Zo
KG
Giannis
AD
Dirk
Chuck
Tatum
Doc
Pierce
Harden
T-Mac
Booker
Reggie
Drexler
CP3
Kidd
Payton
Penny
Billups

May be worth doing after the season to see if any new names get added.

Was thinking about running this as it received some initial interest, but with the restriction applied to All-Star/All-NBA players only. I'm not sure there are enough role players, and the stars are less likely to slip through the cracks when people are researching.

[Snakebites]

The "One Time" Draft (can probably come up with a better name): only players who have either won exactly one championship or appeared in one finals eligible

Kind of a weird pool but the talent seems to be there. If you go 80s to now:

Jokic
Howard
Ewing
Moses
Zo
KG
Giannis
AD
Dirk
Chuck
Tatum
Doc
Pierce
Harden
T-Mac
Booker
Reggie
Drexler
CP3
Kidd
Payton
Penny
Billups

May be worth doing after the season to see if any new names get added.

Was thinking about running this as it received some initial interest, but with the restriction applied to All-Star/All-NBA players only. I'm not sure there are enough role players, and the stars are less likely to slip through the cracks when people are researching.

We did something like this didn’t we?

[Fadeaway_J]

The "One Time" Draft (can probably come up with a better name): only players who have either won exactly one championship or appeared in one finals eligible

Kind of a weird pool but the talent seems to be there. If you go 80s to now:

Jokic
Howard
Ewing
Moses
Zo
KG
Giannis
AD
Dirk
Chuck
Tatum
Doc
Pierce
Harden
T-Mac
Booker
Reggie
Drexler
CP3
Kidd
Payton
Penny
Billups

May be worth doing after the season to see if any new names get added.

Was thinking about running this as it received some initial interest, but with the restriction applied to All-Star/All-NBA players only. I'm not sure there are enough role players, and the stars are less likely to slip through the cracks when people are researching.

We did something like this didn’t we?

I only thought of it last year and we never actually did it.

[Snakebites]

Was thinking about running this as it received some initial interest, but with the restriction applied to All-Star/All-NBA players only. I'm not sure there are enough role players, and the stars are less likely to slip through the cracks when people are researching.

We did something like this didn’t we?

I only thought of it last year and we never actually did it.

Could do that for sure then.

Either that or DB’s idea. Only apprehension I have with that idea is that it may confuse people.

[durantbird]

Those two drafts with the All NBA First category got me thinking about this idea:

Allowed players are:
- Winners of All NBA First but no RS MVP
- Finals MVPs but no RS MVP
- Every player with at most one All Star (to diversify from the "no All Star selections" framing, includes players like AK47 Lopez Horace Hayward etc, with current phrasing also Drazen)

Top end talent is deep enough and interesting but removes the MVPs and some usuals like Allen Reggie Klay Butler Peja Horford Rasheed and others. So there are some similarities to the No Multi All NBA First draft, but better top end talent, plus most All Stars removed.

Calling it right now- a lot of people would mess this up. No matter how well you explain it.

I’d be willing though.

Maybe just simplify the third part. First two part are complex enough to introduce new concept for the lower tier

[MadNESS]

Throwing out there a line of thought. Can we create some idea that enables you to pick a popular star (LeBron, Kawhi, KG, Jokic, Durant, etc.) only if you pair him with some unpopular star (Iverson, Carmelo, Dominique, English, Cousins, etc.). I don't know what the ideal framework for that will be, but maybe we can think of something to achieve this.

Some idea that might be in that direction can be:

You can only pick an MVP-guy along with the top scorer for his club, that never won a chip with this club. Maybe also force one of the more costly seasons for the latter.

That means, that for LeBron you need to pair him with either Ilgauskas or Miami Glen Rice or Elign Baylor. Jokic pairs with English. Duncan pairs with Gervin. Toronto Kawhi pairs with DeRozan. Bird pairs with Antoine Walker. Dirk pairs with Blackman. Some of the pairings are more attractive like Steph+Thurmond or KG+Towns, but I guess that's fine.

Another drawback here would be that if someone picked Magic+Baylor, that makes Kobe totally disqualified, but I guess that's ok as well.

Bumping this idea. Recalled it lately and I think it's worth revisiting

We should have a list of 10-12 players that need to be drafted. Like you draft whoever you want, but every team head to take 1 of Melo, Dominque, etc.

Only 1 MVP. Etc.

[durantbird]

Developing my previous idea, you tell me if it's too radical.

For every team I made a list of popular players and a list of unpopular players. This includes both stars and role players.

If you want to draft a popular player, you must pair him with an unpopular player within his own franchise (seasons in the franchise must be selected). If you want, you can draft a player that doesn't appear in the list at all, or in a season where he didn't player for a team where he's defined as popular (e.g. you can draft Andrew Wiggins in a Minny season without needing to pair him with anyone).

I haven't completed the list for all teams, but that's the direction:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1POOEmKG1hjFqTEGiAZgaVejG6RzTcCOfivGUpf2oe6Y/edit?usp=sharing

[migya]

The "steal a player" draft we had some four years ago was a nice idea. You guys should be looking at other ideas such as that one. The voting system here that has always been for these games is not good, that's why I don't play anymore. Posting or even having a thread in the PC forum where teams from these games can be posted to get votes from non participants would be a good way to judge.


An idea like the Steal a player, with conditions such as - Must steal a player that plays the same or different position to your first or x pick.

Two Centers or two PGs starters per team is another idea. Mixes things up.

Lowest allnba accolade season and one starting team mate from same team same year is another idea.

[Fadeaway_J]

Developing my previous idea, you tell me if it's too radical.

For every team I made a list of popular players and a list of unpopular players. This includes both stars and role players.

If you want to draft a popular player, you must pair him with an unpopular player within his own franchise (seasons in the franchise must be selected). If you want, you can draft a player that doesn't appear in the list at all, or in a season where he didn't player for a team where he's defined as popular (e.g. you can draft Andrew Wiggins in a Minny season without needing to pair him with anyone).

I haven't completed the list for all teams, but that's the direction:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1POOEmKG1hjFqTEGiAZgaVejG6RzTcCOfivGUpf2oe6Y/edit?usp=sharing

I like it so far, although the Wizards list is kind of sad.

[durantbird]

Developing my previous idea, you tell me if it's too radical.

For every team I made a list of popular players and a list of unpopular players. This includes both stars and role players.

If you want to draft a popular player, you must pair him with an unpopular player within his own franchise (seasons in the franchise must be selected). If you want, you can draft a player that doesn't appear in the list at all, or in a season where he didn't player for a team where he's defined as popular (e.g. you can draft Andrew Wiggins in a Minny season without needing to pair him with anyone).

I haven't completed the list for all teams, but that's the direction:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1POOEmKG1hjFqTEGiAZgaVejG6RzTcCOfivGUpf2oe6Y/edit?usp=sharing

I like it so far, although the Wizards list is kind of sad.

Yeah not many popular Wizards guys lol but if you want someone there from the unpopular ones you can still just pick him without pairing

[Laimbeer]

Mesh Finals Teams
Two round draft
(eliminated similar teams that made finals multiple times)

2024 Boston Celtics
2024 Dallas Mavericks
2023 Denver Nuggets
2023 Miami Heat
2021 Milwaukee Bucks
2021 Phoenix Suns
2020 Los Angeles Lakers
2019 Toronto Raptors
2018 Cleveland Cavaliers
2017 Golden State Warriors
2013 Miami Heat
2012 Oklahoma City Thunder
2011 Dallas Mavericks
2009 Los Angeles Lakers
2009 Orlando Magic
2008 Boston Celtics
2006 Miami Heat
2004 Detroit Pistons
2003 San Antonio Spurs
2003 New Jersey Nets
2002 New Jersey Nets
2001 Philadelphia 76ers
2000 Los Angeles Lakers
2000 Indiana Pacers
1999 New York Knicks
1997 Utah Jazz
1996 Seattle SuperSonics
1995 Orlando Magic
1994 New York Knicks
1992 Chicago Bulls
1990 Portland Trail Blazers
1989 Detroit Pistons
1986 Houston Rockets
1985 Los Angeles Lakers
1983 Philadelphia 76ers