2024-2025 Regular Season Game 43: Orlando Magic (23-19) at Boston Celtics (28-12) 7:00PM

[Husky1]

He said it’s something they are going to have to look at and make sure the guys are taking the right shots. Also they know the are going to be seeing more zone defense

Not good, I'm sure our lack of shooting is well known in the locker rooms, but once it becomes publicized now the baton has been handed to the front office. You're it Weltman, and it's about time lazy bum.

Been saying this for years, we have zero media scrutiny/pressure asking the hard questions to our coaching or front office (who we hear from once a year) so they just keep idling and 'evaluating" away never asking hard questions or facing the truth about how bad our shooting, general offense/consistent injuries are. We never hire an experienced assistant coach for Mose who is new to the caper. When we lost old mate to the Phoenix mercury we simply just promoted the next fella in line. We have a contingent of media who are simply in their dream jobs of covering their favourite team so never a hard question asked. What a dream gig for Mose and Weltman ey. Joke from top to bottom. No trades will be made, WCJ will bought our in 3 years cos he will be damn near more unplayable than now, Cole will expire in 2 years after all value as evaporated, Gary will expire next year after been gifted 50 million dollars that no other franchise would of been dumb enough to give, We will sign more vets who no-one else wants and reach for more spuds in the first round like Bamba, Chuma, Jett and Cole. But don't forget, there will be a big fat extension at the end for Jeff Weltman. Keep evaluating lads

[Anti Chalmers]

Not even going to look at the numbers, but can confidently say we’re by far the worst shooting team this year.

[pepe1991]

I'm glad Boston is healthy, so there won't be any excuses.

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[thelead]

We shot 35.2% from 3 last year... while playing Markelle Fultz. We don't resign Fultz and our 3pt% drops FIVE percent year over year

[pepe1991]

Black in last 10 games is 3/20 for 3.
Carter is that guy that goes 1/5 for 3 and that boosts his season average.

5/32. Go on street yard and shoot 32 threes, it's hard to not hit at least 8 with any shooting skill& practice.
This guys are payed millions and work out every day.

How can they be so terrible at it???

[GelbeWand09]

Poor Paolo, comes back from injury and the team proceeds have some of their most demoralizing arse whippings of the year.

I mean, how could someone not see it coming? Franz had a healthy team minus Paolo. Paolo is playing on a minutes restriction and with the c-team.

And despite the overwhelming general opinion, Franz is just the better, more impactful, more well rounded player.

[thelead]

Poor Paolo, comes back from injury and the team proceeds have some of their most demoralizing arse whippings of the year.

I mean, how could someone not see it coming? Franz had a healthy team minus Paolo. Paolo is playing on a minutes restriction and with the c-team.

And despite the overwhelming general opinion, Franz is just the better, more impactful, more well rounded player.

If he’s aggressive and hitting his 3’s at an average clip, yes, yes he is. Am I 100% that he wants to be that guy all the time? I’m not sure. I hope Paolo and Mose are in his ear about it.

[SOUL]

Lol people dooming over this injured ass team that is easily 50 wins when healthy but I was the one catching flak for crticizing the Vuc/Fournier years too early

[basketballRob]

Black in last 10 games is 3/20 for 3.
Carter is that guy that goes 1/5 for 3 and that boosts his season average.

5/32. Go on street yard and shoot 32 threes, it's hard to not hit at least 8 with any shooting skill& practice.
This guys are payed millions and work out every day.

How can they be so terrible at it???

Da Silva 3-29 from 3 his last 7 games, and he's almost 24.

Da Silva also had that Shaqtin' A fool play. Paolo set him up for a 3 witch no one within 10 feet if him and he passed on the shot to try and dunk but instead threw it out of bounds. We everyone is healthy he should be out of the rotation.

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[Husky1]

Black in last 10 games is 3/20 for 3.
Carter is that guy that goes 1/5 for 3 and that boosts his season average.

5/32. Go on street yard and shoot 32 threes, it's hard to not hit at least 8 with any shooting skill& practice.
This guys are payed millions and work out every day.

How can they be so terrible at it???

it hurts mate

[Rainwater]

Not good, I'm sure our lack of shooting is well known in the locker rooms, but once it becomes publicized now the baton has been handed to the front office. You're it Weltman, and it's about time lazy bum.

Been saying this for years, we have zero media scrutiny/pressure asking the hard questions to our coaching or front office (who we hear from once a year) so they just keep idling and 'evaluating" away never asking hard questions or facing the truth about how bad our shooting, general offense/consistent injuries are. We never hire an experienced assistant coach for Mose who is new to the caper. When we lost old mate to the Phoenix mercury we simply just promoted the next fella in line. We have a contingent of media who are simply in their dream jobs of covering their favourite team so never a hard question asked. What a dream gig for Mose and Weltman ey. Joke from top to bottom. No trades will be made, WCJ will bought our in 3 years cos he will be damn near more unplayable than now, Cole will expire in 2 years after all value as evaporated, Gary will expire next year after been gifted 50 million dollars that no other franchise would of been dumb enough to give, We will sign more vets who no-one else wants and reach for more spuds in the first round like Bamba, Chuma, Jett and Cole. But don't forget, there will be a big fat extension at the end for Jeff Weltman. Keep evaluating lads

Why would they get scrutinized? This team has been progressing really well. They went from a total rebuild to a playoff appearance in 3 years, that crazy. You have teams like Detroit who haven’t done this despite years of rebuilding. And It’s not like this team is in their final form they are still building. And let’s not forget the many injuries has faced. If Paolo was 27 and the Magic didn’t improve there would be a problem but that is not the case. Do the Magic need shooters yes but all in all the GM and Coaching staff have been amazing. I feel like the early success has spoiled people.

[Redwood]

In fact, what you say reminds me of something I was thinking about recently. I genuinely wonder if our coaching staff is continuing to allow this for no other reason than they don't want to look like they aren't up to speed with the current trend in the league. Because I can't, from any conceivable angle, figure out why we continue to play a brand of basketball that doesn't fit this roster. I couldn't care less what other teams are doing, let them shoot 500 three's a game for all I care. WE are not built for this, that's all I care about.

I could almost agree with what you're saying if it was rooted in any sort of context of WHO we have available most nights, and you never bring up the front office if that's where your gripes are.

The team has lost WCJ (for periods of time), Franz (20 games), Paolo (most of the year), Suggs (off and on all year), Goga (recently), Moe Wagner (for season).

Two of those guys play inside/mid-range A LOT (Franz/Paolo), Suggs does a mix of both, Goga is a play-finisher, Moe punishes people in the paint.

The team you're looking at now has TDS, Houstan, Queen, Cory Jo, Cole, KCP, Wendell, Isaac as major minutes guys that are ALL perimeter oriented over paint oriented, and that's how they've been most of their career. It's just their makeup.

Goga was a perimeter big in Indiana that became a paint beast for us, because they realized he's a big, powerful guy with a decent enough touch down there. They didn't decide to see that work and not do it for anybody else on the team, it's just literally the personnel available are not guys who are some 80's mid-range wizards or bigs you can get easy paint baskets with. No coach in the NBA is whipping up 3rd stringers to play 90s offensive basketball because the shooting is bad.

If you start having Suggs, Paolo, Franz and Goga healthy again, and they're dancing around the perimeter and not punishing bad defenders, sure, I get it, but we literally haven't seen that team all year basically. And every healthy game (small sample size), they scored over 109-110 points a game, which people would die for right now even though it's nothing crazy.

I've criticized the front office numerous times, I don't expect you to see all of my posts but trust me it's there. I don't like our FA record, and our drafting over the past decade has been even worse. I want the FO completely rebuilt yesterday. It's not even about not bringing in quality players, it's about forming a team that plays well together, and our FO does neither.

You bring up injuries a lot, which is of course true for this season, but it's why it's even more perplexing why changes aren't made to how we're playing. They might not be the most talented players, but that means you just let them jack up 3's all night? No, you simplify the offense and attempt to get whatever efficiency out of them that you can. We know that efficiency isn't going to be from deep, yet we keep trying.

As I've stated a good coach gets the most out of their roster. Mose was dealt a crappy hand because of the injuries, but he's making it an even crappier hand by how he's allowing these guys to play. I just don't believe, even with the lack of talent on the floor, that we're getting the most out of this lineup. His plan really seems to be let them keep shooting and hopefully it starts to go in, and that just isn't good enough. He's a good defensive coach but he has a long way to go on the offensive side of things.

[pepe1991]

Lol people dooming over this injured ass team that is easily 50 wins when healthy but I was the one catching flak for crticizing the Vuc/Fournier years too early

We can't control injuries. We can control roster structure to not be a team that needs to hold opponents below 95 points in order to win a game because our offense can't produce 100 points.

We didn't score 110 points since December 22.

We played Utah couple of weeks ago without Suggs, Franz, Banchero, Utah held back George, Lauri, Collins, Clarkson, lost Hendriks long time ago.
Jazz allow, even healthy, 118 points a game. They are second worst defense in nba.

Magic stat line against them:
92 points
36% FG
29% for 3
65% FT


Magic are good team when Franz , Paolo, Goga, Isaac, Suggs, KCP & others play. But in a moment one of Banchero ( and especially) Franz is out, our offense is so bad that marin of error becomes so thin that in order to win we need to grind out on defense like it's game 7 of nba finals. And by doing so we just drain our players of energy and expose them to more injuries by doing so.
So they get hurt and our winning margin becomes even tinner.

There is no much difference in current Magic roster and those Bulls with/wo Rose, Gasol/Randolph/Conley Grizzlies and other ultra defensive teams or even those Pacers teams that went to ECF. All those teams had same thing in common. S** loud of injuries due playstyle that isn't sustainable for long and comming short in playoffs due lack of offensive diversity.

[KillMonger]

Thoughts on our pace tonight? Just me or did we seem slower than usual?

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[SOUL]

There is no much difference in current Magic roster and those Bulls with/wo Rose, Gasol/Randolph/Conley Grizzlies and other ultra defensive teams or even those Pacers teams that went to ECF. All those teams had same thing in common. S** loud of injuries due playstyle that isn't sustainable for long and comming short in playoffs due lack of offensive diversity.

Idk to me I just think we knew we were a bad shooting team even when healthy, so the whole trying to decipher who is to blame/why its bad to me now its funny because you are playing so many guys who were not even in your rotation and are replaceable. Now, ppl can and will argue if Weltman will ever replace these guys who we already have an abundance of in terms of defense/energy which is good but we also need a shot in the arm on offense.. but think about it. Cole wasnt playing, TDS wasnt playing, Houstan wasnt playing, Queen wasnt playing, Cory Jo, all the rest had way diff roles. Just not guys to rely on whatsoever now night in and night out.

I think main difference between those teams is we have two wings who can legit score 30-40 on a winning team before the age of 24-25 and I REALLY think when they are both rolling, we will be super tough to beat. Like I think times are so desperate right now and it's so injury riddled, people won't realize, and again will take patience for Banchero and Wagner, but their ceilings are very high, provided they don't have freak injuries/weird 20% shooting aberrations.

Panicking about if they WePark will ever make moves is fair, just think people are flipping so far the other way. We just need them both healthy and playing for some feel good vibes, and HOPEFULLY they will tinker with the team over the next 2-3 seasons to build a contender Magic been waiting for.

[KillMonger]

One thing to me is clear, Suggs is really key to our identity at least defensively.......without him something missing

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[basketballRob]

Black has actually shot the 3 around 13% higher than TDS has for his career. Also, many of the attempts Black makes are heaves at the end of the shot clock.

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[SOUL]

One thing to me is clear, Suggs is really key to our identity at least defensively.......without him something missing

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yep... was told he was an overpaid roleplayer

[Skybox]

Even healthy, we don’t score anywhere near the league average, we just concentrate the 95 points on two guys’ shoulders. ANY team in the league can do that every night…People saying this isn’t the final version of this team but preaching “don’t do anything significant to upset chemistry/assessment/organic blah blah”… must really believe in prayer as a means of success in professional sports.

This team is talented, but just poorly constructed. Defense is an excellent foundation- but it’s only a foundation if you want to be a serious team/org

*this has nothing to do with losing to BOS or any particular game - it is a glaringly obvious observation

[Skybox]

Black has actually shot the 3 around 13% higher than TDS has for his career. Also, many of the attempts Black makes are heaves at the end of the shot clock.

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This means zip…sucking less at something is still sucking. He’s an irrelevant 3pt shooter to date. TdS is a shooter, just like Suggs and KCP are shooters…there’s a base level of volume before a player even enters the conversation.