Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[yoyojw17]

Losing Mo was big, he was our third or fourth best offensive player on a bottom 10 offense.

Our team is different with Goga starting and i feel that our offense is even worse. Goga is an inside presence and probably our best rebounder but our offense and spacing are even worse now and it is an awkward look having Wendell come off the bench with the bigger contract. Our team had balance before that we are still trying to find it appears.

I think that management understands the sense of urgency you should have when you have talent on the team like Banchero and Franz and imo they will try to make a trade.

Well... Goga actually has possibly one of our higher offensive ratings when on the court. You don't have to only put the ball in the rim a lot to affect offensive ratings. Offensive rebound.... High percentage shooting... Setting great picks that help get high percentage shots... Better ball movement... Etc. all help to
Have high offensive ratings. So ... There is a possibility that a healthy starting lineup could even be better with goga on the court given Franz and paolos presence .. and hopefully eventually shooting returning.

But.... With all the injuries that have occurred.... And those players most likely all returning before or around the deadline... I wouldn't be surprised if Jeff tries to see what we got when not injured. Not expecting anything big.... And Cole is playing more and more into his contract. So.... For them having a player that can do what Cole can do for the team when playing well.... Is a steal.

And yup they will leave the room for black to grow if they believe in him that much.

[Skybox]

Think ppl are valuing Jett a little bit to much….

Agree, but not as much as the people clinging to “firsts!” Like they’re something sacred and more solid bets than actual proven contributors to a team in a promising but very volatile state…seriously, what do we really think the DEN first will be when it becomes a human? Compared to, say, Sexton or Simons

If we are dumb enough (DUMB!) to just draft two late frps this summer instead of adding an actual player who will contribute right away (vs maybe after 3 “rookie development/assessment years”)…don’t expect Paolo & Franz to be psyched about it. KCP will be retiring when they MIGHT start to contribute. Might.

Can already see it…FO will draft some raw 18yo physical specimen with “good mechanics and promising footwork” who won’t do a single thing for us. Then, in some convoluted trade, kick the other pick down the road a few years for some incalculable future draft equity that Weltman will assure us is 4-D chess at its best and way beyond our ability to truly appreciate while high-fiving all of the other CPAs and lawyers, who never played beyond YMCA level, in the “war room”.

Then when I bitch about the team actually not being any better, but the only thing “developing” is the payroll exploding like a nuclear fireball…some of you will join Weltman in patting me on the head and say “This isn’t 2K”

[Skybox]

Cole + Jett for Simons

Orlando gets a dynamic scorer while Portland gets a development project in Jett and clarifies the back court.

Fantasy…you’ll need to add draft equity or sub Black for Jett (and I know you won’t like that).

[Skybox]

The cost will be more than the Magic would like to give out. They may make minor bench trades and thats it.

these are minor bench trades - if they only involve Cole, Jett, Gary, Moe's expiring/TO, one of our two late firsts, srps...

I don't think any of those guys would be happy being bench players in Orlando when they will be looking for better contracts soon. I still think that is way more than the Magic would be willing to give up for any player at this stage in their development.

Y’know, we could talk to them and their agents…I’d be willing to bet they’re not real happy being in terrible non-competitive situations too. AG was looking for a max too…which was never coming. Weltman’s a lot of things but he’s not reckless or fiscally unaware…he consistently puts his FO in position to be able to make moves (the fact that he hasn’t is another story).

What, exactly, is the vision of a team built by avoiding actual talent because they might want to play more or they might actually earn their money. UFA paydays are going the way of T Rex, unless it’s a star that a tanking team targets and clears cap for years for. Simons and Sexton- level players are not ever going to be filling their tubs with cash after a 5 team bidding war erupts.

[BadMofoPimp]

these are minor bench trades - if they only involve Cole, Jett, Gary, Moe's expiring/TO, one of our two late firsts, srps...

I don't think any of those guys would be happy being bench players in Orlando when they will be looking for better contracts soon. I still think that is way more than the Magic would be willing to give up for any player at this stage in their development.

Y’know, we could talk to them and their agents…I’d be willing to bet they’re not real happy being in terrible non-competitive situations too. AG was looking for a max too…which was never coming. Weltman’s a lot of things but he’s not reckless or fiscally unaware…he consistently puts his FO in position to be able to make moves (the fact that he hasn’t is another story).

What, exactly, is the vision of a team built by avoiding actual talent because they might want to play more or they might actually earn their money. UFA paydays are going the way of T Rex, unless it’s a star that a tanking team targets and clears cap for years for. Simons and Sexton- level players are not ever going to be filling their tubs with cash after a 5 team bidding war erupts.

For all we know, the Magic has done their research, spoke to their agents and teams. Then, decided to continue with the development with our core. Just because the Magic hasn't made any moves, doesn't mean they have not done their due diligence. Just not to pacify armchair GM's.

[Skybox]

I don't think any of those guys would be happy being bench players in Orlando when they will be looking for better contracts soon. I still think that is way more than the Magic would be willing to give up for any player at this stage in their development.

Y’know, we could talk to them and their agents…I’d be willing to bet they’re not real happy being in terrible non-competitive situations too. AG was looking for a max too…which was never coming. Weltman’s a lot of things but he’s not reckless or fiscally unaware…he consistently puts his FO in position to be able to make moves (the fact that he hasn’t is another story).

What, exactly, is the vision of a team built by avoiding actual talent because they might want to play more or they might actually earn their money. UFA paydays are going the way of T Rex, unless it’s a star that a tanking team targets and clears cap for years for. Simons and Sexton- level players are not ever going to be filling their tubs with cash after a 5 team bidding war erupts.

For all we know, the Magic has done their research, spoke to their agents and teams. Then, decided to continue with the development with our core. Just because the Magic hasn't made any moves, doesn't mean they have not done their due diligence. Just not to pacify armchair GM's.

Maybe…neither of us know…but years of relative inactivity, questionable re-ups, and glaring holes makes me lean one way. Presti and other contenders seem to find guys quickly & make decisive moves when they have a need.

[Skybox]

these are minor bench trades - if they only involve Cole, Jett, Gary, Moe's expiring/TO, one of our two late firsts, srps...

I don't think any of those guys would be happy being bench players in Orlando when they will be looking for better contracts soon. I still think that is way more than the Magic would be willing to give up for any player at this stage in their development.

Y’know, we could talk to them and their agents…I’d be willing to bet they’re not real happy being in terrible non-competitive situations too. AG was looking for a max too…which was never coming. Weltman’s a lot of things but he’s not reckless or fiscally unaware…he consistently puts his FO in position to be able to make moves (the fact that he hasn’t is another story).

What, exactly, is the vision of a team built by avoiding actual talent because they might want to play more or they might actually earn their money. UFA paydays are going the way of T Rex, unless it’s a star that a tanking team targets and clears cap for years for. Simons and Sexton- level players are not ever going to be filling their tubs with cash after a 5 team bidding war erupts.[/quote]

But…Paolo or Franz might

[BadMofoPimp]

Y’know, we could talk to them and their agents…I’d be willing to bet they’re not real happy being in terrible non-competitive situations too. AG was looking for a max too…which was never coming. Weltman’s a lot of things but he’s not reckless or fiscally unaware…he consistently puts his FO in position to be able to make moves (the fact that he hasn’t is another story).

What, exactly, is the vision of a team built by avoiding actual talent because they might want to play more or they might actually earn their money. UFA paydays are going the way of T Rex, unless it’s a star that a tanking team targets and clears cap for years for. Simons and Sexton- level players are not ever going to be filling their tubs with cash after a 5 team bidding war erupts.

For all we know, the Magic has done their research, spoke to their agents and teams. Then, decided to continue with the development with our core. Just because the Magic hasn't made any moves, doesn't mean they have not done their due diligence. Just not to pacify armchair GM's.

Maybe…neither of us know…but years of relative inactivity, questionable re-ups, and glaring holes makes me lean one way. Presti and other contenders seem to find guys quickly & make decisive moves when they have a need.

Almost the entire NBA rarely make trades. This isn't NBA2k where teams make trades constantly. For all we know, every team is asking outrageous prices for players thus the Magic don't bite. In addition, this team wasn't built to contend this year, so no trade is needed. The Magic are intending to develop players and that is exactly what they are doing. Give it 2-3 years. I read a few articles where the Magic are conserving cap space due to having 3 near max players on the cap in 2 years once Paolo gets paid. They want to make sure they don't mess that up making panic moves like fans think should happen. Good thing armchair GM's do not run NBA teams.

[Skybox]

For all we know, the Magic has done their research, spoke to their agents and teams. Then, decided to continue with the development with our core. Just because the Magic hasn't made any moves, doesn't mean they have not done their due diligence. Just not to pacify armchair GM's.

Maybe…neither of us know…but years of relative inactivity, questionable re-ups, and glaring holes makes me lean one way. Presti and other contenders seem to find guys quickly & make decisive moves when they have a need.

Almost the entire NBA rarely make trades. This isn't NBA2k where teams make trades constantly. For all we know, every team is asking outrageous prices for players thus the Magic don't bite. In addition, this team wasn't built to contend this year, so no trade is needed. The Magic are intending to develop players and that is exactly what they are doing. Give it 2-3 years. I read a few articles where the Magic are conserving cap space due to having 3 near max players on the cap in 2 years once Paolo gets paid. They want to make sure they don't mess that up making panic moves like fans think should happen. Good thing armchair GM's do not run NBA teams.

Panic, armchair, 2K…same old cliche excuses…the contenders & tankers make trades every year (with each other)

“Not contending for a title this year” is an absolutely flaccid reason not to improve your team…like you’re going to jump from A to Z when you flip a switch. Not how it works in life or NBA

[Idiosyncratic]

Think ppl are valuing Jett a little bit to much….

Agree, but not as much as the people clinging to “firsts!” Like they’re something sacred and more solid bets than actual proven contributors to a team in a promising but very volatile state…seriously, what do we really think the DEN first will be when it becomes a human? Compared to, say, Sexton or Simons

If we are dumb enough (DUMB!) to just draft two late frps this summer instead of adding an actual player who will contribute right away (vs maybe after 3 “rookie development/assessment years”)…don’t expect Paolo & Franz to be psyched about it. KCP will be retiring when they MIGHT start to contribute. Might.

Can already see it…FO will draft some raw 18yo physical specimen with “good mechanics and promising footwork” who won’t do a single thing for us. Then, in some convoluted trade, kick the other pick down the road a few years for some incalculable future draft equity that Weltman will assure us is 4-D chess at its best and way beyond our ability to truly appreciate while high-fiving all of the other CPAs and lawyers, who never played beyond YMCA level, in the “war room”.

Then when I bitch about the team actually not being any better, but the only thing “developing” is the payroll exploding like a nuclear fireball…some of you will join Weltman in patting me on the head and say “This isn’t 2K”

How do you keep missing the point so hard?

Sexton and Simons likely aren't here when we are true contenders. They also are not that good to begin with. You also have proposed trades with 1sts for guys like Schroder when NBA teams continue to show that the trade market is mostly dictated by 2nds. Why overpay for a temporary solution when other teams aren't?

Most picks bust, yes, but when you hit on one you have that player for a long time at a reasonable price. You can't see how that could possibly be preferrable to 1.5 years of a historically losing player?

[Skybox]

Just read that DAL is making Gafford available

Exec of the Year opportunity for a 3-way with UTA for Sexton (or POR for Simons). DAL is obviously looking for win-now perimeter defense. The other two- picks, prospects, expirings… should be many iterations - starting with KCP, who I value as much as Gafford or more, but have less need for, with AB on deck (even presuming, as I do, that KCP’s shooting will return)…

DAL sends: Gafford, Kleber
DAL gets: KCP

UTA sends: Sexton
UTA gets: Kleber, Cole, Jett, ORL 25 frp

ORL sends: KCP, Cole, Jett, ORL 25 frp
ORL gets: Gafford, Sexton

[three3d]

Just read that DAL is making Gafford available

Exec of the Year opportunity for a 3-way with UTA for Sexton (or POR for Simons). DAL is obviously looking for win-now perimeter defense. The other two- picks, prospects, expirings… should be many iterations - starting with KCP, who I value as much as Gafford or more, but have less need for, with AB on deck (even presuming, as I do, that KCP’s shooting will return)…

DAL sends: Gafford, Kleber
DAL gets: KCP

UTA sends: Sexton
UTA gets: Kleber, Cole, Jett, ORL 25 frp

ORL sends: KCP, Cole, Jett, ORL 25 frp
ORL gets: Gafford, Sexton

Stop it Skybox you’re trying to win it all now and everyone knows we just need some time to evaluate this teams needs when fully healthy

[three3d]

Go get Simons, after this season Terry Stotts contract is up with the Warriors present to Stott the opportunity to come in and implement an offensive system with guys like Paolo, Franz, Suggs, and Simons. We need an offensive minded X’s and O’s guy, Stott was with Dane, CJ, and Simons in Portland. The bottom line is with a group of guys like that ANYONE and EVERYONE with an offensive mind set should be salivating at an opportunity to do something with that core.

[eyriq]

Harris for Gafford

Dallas gets a wing defender and immediate cap relief, Magic get a rim running big.

[thelead]

Harris for Gafford

Dallas gets a wing defender and immediate cap relief, Magic get a rim running big.

Do they though?

[Skybox]

Harris for Gafford

Dallas gets a wing defender and immediate cap relief, Magic get a rim running big.

Do they though?

I'd go Harris and DEN frp for Gafford...he's really good

but...would you trade for Gary Harris right now?

[VFX]

Jonathan Isaac
Wendell Carter
Gary Harris
Cole Anthony
Caleb Houstan

Envision it’s June or July. Build 1 or 2 trades out of those names that land this roster anything better than what those guys provide on a bi-weekly basis.

You will find a ton of players that are not only better, fit better with the core, but actually play basketball and are reliable.

I’d even waive some of these guys to be honest. They aren’t good 50-70% of the time and make everything more difficult than needed.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Jonathan Isaac
Wendell Carter
Gary Harris
Cole Anthony
Caleb Houstan

Envision it’s June or July. Build 1 or 2 trades out of those names that land this roster anything better than what those guys provide on a bi-weekly basis.

You will find a ton of players that are not only better, fit better with the core, but actually play basketball and are reliable.

I’d even waive some of these guys to be honest. They aren’t good 50-70% of the time and make everything more difficult than needed.

It’s just gets tiring putting together solid deals that make sense every deadline and summer. I swear over the last 2 years we’ve probably put together 5-6 deals that would’ve made us better short & long term. Instead we’ll hand out 15M over 2 years to Gary Harris, re up Isaac whose a walking injury and then make head scratching draft pick.

[three3d]

Jonathan Isaac
Wendell Carter
Gary Harris
Cole Anthony
Caleb Houstan

Envision it’s June or July. Build 1 or 2 trades out of those names that land this roster anything better than what those guys provide on a bi-weekly basis.

You will find a ton of players that are not only better, fit better with the core, but actually play basketball and are reliable.

I’d even waive some of these guys to be honest. They aren’t good 50-70% of the time and make everything more difficult than needed.

It’s just gets tiring putting together solid deals that make sense every deadline and summer. I swear over the last 2 years we’ve probably put together 5-6 deals that would’ve made us better short & long term. Instead we’ll hand out 15M over 2 years to Gary Harris, re up Isaac whose a walking injury and then make head scratching draft pick.

Alex Martins had a vision of us being Champions by 2030 we just have to be patient and evaluate this roster another season

[thelead]

Harris for Gafford

Dallas gets a wing defender and immediate cap relief, Magic get a rim running big.

Do they though?

I'd go Harris and DEN frp for Gafford...he's really good

but...would you trade for Gary Harris right now?

I wouldn't but for what he's paid, I don't mind keeping him. But if he is needed for a trade to match salaries I wouldn't bat an eye.