Coaches thread

[Mr B]

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Reading into this, I think the Jags really want Ben Johnson and are willing to move Baalke aside for him (though not completely get rid of him, because Shad Khan is incompetent), but if he doesn't want it, they'll go for a Baalke/Glenn combo

I've gotten progressively more worried over time that Johnson is a product of the system in Detroit, that most of it's on their GM for stacking the team with talent and that the Detroit model has a motivator/player coach with strong assistants, and Johnson might be one of those guys who just works better as an OC than a HC, but I can't fault the process if they can get him

The logic makes sense, he's the prize of the coaching carousel and we have a good young QB. I just don't get why Baalke is still in the building, let him go be a scout for his friend Vrabel in New England.

I’ve heard a few people say that they worry about Ben Johnson’s ability to be a tone setter in the locker room and sideline. Right now Dan Campbell sets the tone for the offense. Ben is a great OC but might have some problems being the actual HC. Honestly he kind of sounds like Kellen Moore.

To me it sounds Aaron Glenn is the better HC prospect over Ben Johnson. Everything I’ve heard about Glenn says he’s the tone setter for the Defense. He carries himself like a HC.

[Mr B]

Speak for yourself. My team winning the SB is VERY important to me as a fan regardless on how entertaining that game is or not. If it's not my team, then it's entertainment over boring, so I agree with you there. Most boring SB for me was Super Bowl LIII by a mile, even tho it was close. I almost nodded off at the bar during the game and just wanted it to end cause it was so ho hum. Even lopsided games are more entertaining!

Not all of your fellow Eagles fans here feel the same. Many have said winning the SB doesn’t even matter at all as long as they tried hard and got into the playoffs. Just getting there is the same as winning it all according to them.

No, I never said getting into the playoffs is the same as winning the SB.

I said getting into the playoffs and losing is better than not making the playoffs.

And that winning a conference championship and losing the SB is better than not reaching the conference championship game.

Don’t back peddle now that you sound stupid. Stand on what you said. Winning a SB doesn’t matter as long as you made the playoffs. You’re still a winner. That’s your motto right?

[DOT]

I’ve heard a few people say that they worry about Ben Johnson’s ability to be a tone setter in the locker room and sideline. Right now Dan Campbell sets the tone for the offense. Ben is a great OC but might have some problems being the actual HC. Honestly he kind of sounds like Kellen Moore.

To me it sounds Aaron Glenn is the better HC prospect over Ben Johnson. Everything I’ve heard about Glenn says he’s the tone setter for the Defense. He carries himself like a HC.

Yeah, that's what I've started to think for a while now

But the issue with guys like Campbell and Glenn is, they need to get good coordinators which can be hard to do consistently, because good coordinators are always getting job offers, so you have to keep finding good ones, which can be hard, or hope they're either super loyal (like Ben Johnson who could've left last year) or have other baggage from previous jobs as HC (like Spagnuolo, Flores, Kingsbury, Saleh etc) where teams will be hesitant to hire them

I think either is good though, like we've seen guys like McVay, McDaniels, and KOC do what you want Johnson to do, and we've seen guys like Campbell fail as well.

[El Turco]

Not saying he is good or not coach but I am bit surprised Josh McCown is not getting any looks. He was getting interviews when he was a high school coach without any NFL experience, now he is under Shanahan/McVay tree and his quarterback vastly overachieved.

[QB_Eagles]

Not all of your fellow Eagles fans here feel the same. Many have said winning the SB doesn’t even matter at all as long as they tried hard and got into the playoffs. Just getting there is the same as winning it all according to them.

No, I never said getting into the playoffs is the same as winning the SB.

I said getting into the playoffs and losing is better than not making the playoffs.

And that winning a conference championship and losing the SB is better than not reaching the conference championship game.

Don’t back peddle now that you sound stupid. Stand on what you said. Winning a SB doesn’t matter as long as you made the playoffs. You’re still a winner. That’s your motto right?

No, I never said winning the SB doesn't matter.

I said winning the conference championship is also an accomplishment.

To you it's either SB or loser; with everyone from SB loser to team with the 1st overall pick on the same loser level.

[Cactus Jack]

Not saying he is good or not coach but I am bit surprised Josh McCown is not getting any looks. He was getting interviews when he was a high school coach without any NFL experience, now he is under Shanahan/McVay tree and his quarterback vastly overachieved.

Wasn't he the Panthers QB coach last year? Bryce's rookie year.

He doesn't call plays. Why should he get consideration for HC jobs? Teams typically are looking for guys who are successful playcallers. Which he hasn't done as of yet.

[El Turco]

Not saying he is good or not coach but I am bit surprised Josh McCown is not getting any looks. He was getting interviews when he was a high school coach without any NFL experience, now he is under Shanahan/McVay tree and his quarterback vastly overachieved.

Wasn't he the Panthers QB coach last year? Bryce's rookie year.

He doesn't call plays. Why should he get consideration for HC jobs? Teams typically are looking for guys who are successful playcallers. Which he hasn't done as of yet.

Forget play calling coaches who had a cup of coffee with Mcvay or Shanahan have gotten jobs, anyone within mile of those two guys will be considered.

He got consideration as a high school coach, successful year under O'Connell should only make it more likely.

[Mr B]

Not saying he is good or not coach but I am bit surprised Josh McCown is not getting any looks. He was getting interviews when he was a high school coach without any NFL experience, now he is under Shanahan/McVay tree and his quarterback vastly overachieved.

I have heard McCown’s name mentioned as a possible HC candidate but I think people worry about how much of his success is because he coaches under Shanahan. Any OC coaching under Shanahan is going to have that problem cause Shanahan is the real OC. It’s similar to any OC that works under Andy Reid.

[Mr B]

No, I never said getting into the playoffs is the same as winning the SB.

I said getting into the playoffs and losing is better than not making the playoffs.

And that winning a conference championship and losing the SB is better than not reaching the conference championship game.

Don’t back peddle now that you sound stupid. Stand on what you said. Winning a SB doesn’t matter as long as you made the playoffs. You’re still a winner. That’s your motto right?

No, I never said winning the SB doesn't matter.

I said winning the conference championship is also an accomplishment.

To you it's either SB or loser; with everyone from SB loser to team with the 1st overall pick on the same loser level.

Well if you lose the SB you can’t call yourself the winner just because you made it to the Conference Championship. If you get there and lose in the conference championship game you are not considered the winner. You lost. You are the loser. There is only 1 winner every season. You don’t get to call yourself the winner when you lost. That’s how it works.

[QB_Eagles]

Don’t back peddle now that you sound stupid. Stand on what you said. Winning a SB doesn’t matter as long as you made the playoffs. You’re still a winner. That’s your motto right?

No, I never said winning the SB doesn't matter.

I said winning the conference championship is also an accomplishment.

To you it's either SB or loser; with everyone from SB loser to team with the 1st overall pick on the same loser level.

Well if you lose the SB you can’t call yourself the winner just because you made it to the Conference Championship. If you get there and lose in the conference championship game you are not considered the winner. You lost. You are the loser. There is only 1 winner every season. You don’t get to call yourself the winner when you lost. That’s how it works.

Assuming the Lions and Eagles lose this weekend, their OCs achieved nothing more than the Titans OC, right?

So Jerry Jones would be stupid to interview Ben Johnson and Kellen Moore, but not Nick Holz?

[bluejerseyjinx]

I'm glad we have Andy Reid and don't have to worry about all this crap and drama.

[El Turco]

Not saying he is good or not coach but I am bit surprised Josh McCown is not getting any looks. He was getting interviews when he was a high school coach without any NFL experience, now he is under Shanahan/McVay tree and his quarterback vastly overachieved.

I have heard McCown’s name mentioned as a possible HC candidate but I think people worry about how much of his success is because he coaches under Shanahan. Any OC coaching under Shanahan is going to have that problem cause Shanahan is the real OC. It’s similar to any OC that works under Andy Reid.

He worked under O'Connell but yeah same idea, you are not going to call plays when working under an offensive head coach. O'Connell himself didnt call plays in his previous job.

Joe Brady apparently interviewed with Saints today. One day before a playoff game, that's just silly.

[JujitsuFlip]

There is only 1 winner every season. You don’t get to call yourself the winner when you lost. That’s how it works.

Minus the Olympics, where the first loser, and second loser do still receive hardware.

[El Turco]

I'm glad we have Andy Reid and don't have to worry about all this crap and drama.

As long as he keeps his sons away from the team

[Mr B]

No, I never said winning the SB doesn't matter.

I said winning the conference championship is also an accomplishment.

To you it's either SB or loser; with everyone from SB loser to team with the 1st overall pick on the same loser level.

Well if you lose the SB you can’t call yourself the winner just because you made it to the Conference Championship. If you get there and lose in the conference championship game you are not considered the winner. You lost. You are the loser. There is only 1 winner every season. You don’t get to call yourself the winner when you lost. That’s how it works.

Assuming the Lions and Eagles lose this weekend, their OCs achieved nothing more than the Titans OC, right?

So Jerry Jones would be stupid to interview Ben Johnson and Kellen Moore, but not Nick Holz?

Personally I don’t think it matters who the coach is because Jerry is still in charge. And yes I do think it would be stupid to hire either Ben Johnson or Kellen Moore because based on all the reports they’re basically the same person. The only difference is the alone have better offensive players than the Eagles.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Poor Jerry. What will he do?

[Cactus Jack]

Poor Jerry. What will he do?

[JujitsuFlip]

I’ve heard a few people say that they worry about Ben Johnson’s ability to be a tone setter in the locker room and sideline. Right now Dan Campbell sets the tone for the offense. Ben is a great OC but might have some problems being the actual HC. Honestly he kind of sounds like Kellen Moore.

To me it sounds Aaron Glenn is the better HC prospect over Ben Johnson. Everything I’ve heard about Glenn says he’s the tone setter for the Defense. He carries himself like a HC.

Yeah, that's what I've started to think for a while now

But the issue with guys like Campbell and Glenn is, they need to get good coordinators which can be hard to do consistently, because good coordinators are always getting job offers, so you have to keep finding good ones, which can be hard, or hope they're either super loyal (like Ben Johnson who could've left last year) or have other baggage from previous jobs as HC (like Spagnuolo, Flores, Kingsbury, Saleh etc) where teams will be hesitant to hire them

I think either is good though, like we've seen guys like McVay, McDaniels, and KOC do what you want Johnson to do, and we've seen guys like Campbell fail as well.

This is a valid point. Marvin Lewis always had to get new coordinators, even though he never won a playoff game.

DC Mike Zimmer coached in 4 wild card losses in 5 years before becoming the Vikings head coach in 2013.

OC Jay Gruden coached in 3 straight wild card losses before becoming the Redskins head coach in 2013.

OC Hue Jackson coached 2 straight wild card losses before becoming the Browns head coach in 2015.

DC Paul Guenther coached 2 straight wild card losses before 2 down years, then becoming the Raiders DC in 2018.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Poor Jerry. What will he do?

[Mr B]

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