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DOT wrote:It's not that championships stop counting, it's that they become less and less relevant as time goes on
The Bulls had one of the greatest runs of any team in NBA history for 8 years, but that doesn't matter in 2025 when in the last 27 years they haven't even made the Finals, and only made the Conference Finals once. Same thing for the Cowboys.
QB_Eagles wrote:Mr B wrote:QB_Eagles wrote:But according to you any season you don't win the SB, you're a loser.
How would you feel about a boxer who won 3 matches early in his career but then lost 30 matches?
Would you call him a winner?
He won 3 Super Bowls yes he’s a winner. I’m not sure why you’re having a hard time understanding that.
Is Glass Joe a winner? He's got 1 KO after all.
Jerry Jones is the NFL GM equivalent of Glass Joe.
Mr B wrote:DOT wrote:It's not that championships stop counting, it's that they become less and less relevant as time goes on
The Bulls had one of the greatest runs of any team in NBA history for 8 years, but that doesn't matter in 2025 when in the last 27 years they haven't even made the Finals, and only made the Conference Finals once. Same thing for the Cowboys.
Just curious but is there anyone in the Bulls front office or ownership now that was there for those 90’s championships?
DOT wrote:Mr B wrote:DOT wrote:It's not that championships stop counting, it's that they become less and less relevant as time goes on
The Bulls had one of the greatest runs of any team in NBA history for 8 years, but that doesn't matter in 2025 when in the last 27 years they haven't even made the Finals, and only made the Conference Finals once. Same thing for the Cowboys.
Just curious but is there anyone in the Bulls front office or ownership now that was there for those 90’s championships?
Yeah, Jerry Reinsdorf bought the Bulls in 1985 and owns them to this day.
Mr B wrote:DOT wrote:Mr B wrote:Just curious but is there anyone in the Bulls front office or ownership now that was there for those 90’s championships?
Yeah, Jerry Reinsdorf bought the Bulls in 1985 and owns them to this day.
Even though I most Bulls fans may hate him would he not still get credit for those championships?
DOT wrote:Mr B wrote:DOT wrote:Yeah, Jerry Reinsdorf bought the Bulls in 1985 and owns them to this day.
Even though I most Bulls fans may hate him would he not still get credit for those championships?
Like I said, it's not about credit, it's about relevance
He won championships in the 90s. Same with Jerry Jones. Nobody can take that away, and they do deserve credit for them, though exactly how much is up for debate. But it's been 30 years (almost 30 in Reinsdorf's case), that's just not as relevant as events happening now
I will give Jerry credit in that I do think he's pretty good at running a team, like the Cowboys might not have much postseason success in the last 30 years, but they've only had a losing record in 9 seasons since the last Superbowl win, and other than 2000-2002, have not had back to back losing seasons in that time (did go 8-8 3 straight years to be fair, but those aren't losing seasons), and before this year they went 12-3 for 3 straight seasons
He's pretty good at his job, but he's just not as good at it as he thinks he is, and that's what's holding the team back as much as it's keeping them good.
Mr B wrote:DOT wrote:Mr B wrote:Even though I most Bulls fans may hate him would he not still get credit for those championships?
Like I said, it's not about credit, it's about relevance
He won championships in the 90s. Same with Jerry Jones. Nobody can take that away, and they do deserve credit for them, though exactly how much is up for debate. But it's been 30 years (almost 30 in Reinsdorf's case), that's just not as relevant as events happening now
I will give Jerry credit in that I do think he's pretty good at running a team, like the Cowboys might not have much postseason success in the last 30 years, but they've only had a losing record in 9 seasons since the last Superbowl win, and other than 2000-2002, have not had back to back losing seasons in that time (did go 8-8 3 straight years to be fair, but those aren't losing seasons), and before this year they went 12-3 for 3 straight seasons
He's pretty good at his job, but he's just not as good at it as he thinks he is, and that's what's holding the team back as much as it's keeping them good.
Right, but MY point is that he still deserves credit for those. The Eagles won a SB a few years ago with a completely different roster and coaching staff. Is that SB relevant too? If so then what’s the cut off? Is Jerry Jones the only owner subject this “relevance” argument?
QB_Eagles wrote:Mr B wrote:DOT wrote:Like I said, it's not about credit, it's about relevance
He won championships in the 90s. Same with Jerry Jones. Nobody can take that away, and they do deserve credit for them, though exactly how much is up for debate. But it's been 30 years (almost 30 in Reinsdorf's case), that's just not as relevant as events happening now
I will give Jerry credit in that I do think he's pretty good at running a team, like the Cowboys might not have much postseason success in the last 30 years, but they've only had a losing record in 9 seasons since the last Superbowl win, and other than 2000-2002, have not had back to back losing seasons in that time (did go 8-8 3 straight years to be fair, but those aren't losing seasons), and before this year they went 12-3 for 3 straight seasons
He's pretty good at his job, but he's just not as good at it as he thinks he is, and that's what's holding the team back as much as it's keeping them good.
Right, but MY point is that he still deserves credit for those. The Eagles won a SB a few years ago with a completely different roster and coaching staff. Is that SB relevant too? If so then what’s the cut off? Is Jerry Jones the only owner subject this “relevance” argument?
The average age of NFL players is 26.8 years.
That means more than 50% of current NFL players haven't been born yet when the Cowboys last won a Super Bowl.
It's a bit different than "a few years ago".
Mr B wrote:QB_Eagles wrote:Mr B wrote:Right, but MY point is that he still deserves credit for those. The Eagles won a SB a few years ago with a completely different roster and coaching staff. Is that SB relevant too? If so then what’s the cut off? Is Jerry Jones the only owner subject this “relevance” argument?
The average age of NFL players is 26.8 years.
That means more than 50% of current NFL players haven't been born yet when the Cowboys last won a Super Bowl.
It's a bit different than "a few years ago".
What does any of that have to do with the fact that Jerry has won 3 Super Bowls?
Lord Leoshes wrote:i personally would rather keep Chalmers over Lowry
Mr Swagtastic wrote:How does Cincy fix that awful oline and defense plus pay Chase, Hendrickson and Higgins? It wouldn't shock me to see Higgins to Washington or The Raiders if he's not franchise tagged
They can't. They for sure have to let Higgins walk, he is projected to make $30 million AAV on the open market, no chance Bengals can pay that.Mr Swagtastic wrote:How does Cincy fix that awful oline and defense plus pay Chase, Hendrickson and Higgins? It wouldn't shock me to see Higgins to Washington or The Raiders if he's not franchise tagged
TheLowlySquire wrote:Wow, Arda! Huge!
Howard Mass wrote:Arda is not a terrorist. Arda is a good person.
Was just going to post this. He should bring a very nice haul back.
Lord Leoshes wrote:i personally would rather keep Chalmers over Lowry
How is Philly the betting favorite if the line hasn't moved since it was open a week ago?Mr Swagtastic wrote:Was just going to post this. He should bring a very nice haul back.
Looked at teams with cap space and holy **** what did New Orleans do n to their team? -$50 million for a team that bad.
Was hearing Philly was the betting favourite, question is what do they give up? Seen a Jordan Davis plus 2nd and 4th
Mr Swagtastic wrote:Was just going to post this. He should bring a very nice haul back.
Looked at teams with cap space and holy **** what did New Orleans do n to their team? -$50 million for a team that bad.
Was hearing Philly was the betting favourite, question is what do they give up? Seen a Jordan Davis plus 2nd and 4th
TheLowlySquire wrote:Wow, Arda! Huge!
Howard Mass wrote:Arda is not a terrorist. Arda is a good person.
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