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[Sactowndog]

Again, Eason is just not available in a Fox deal.

Picks could be had
Whitmore could be had
Jabari and Reed might be available, but really only due to future payroll concerns.
Eason and Amen are off the table completely.

Then Houston’s not going to see Fox IF he is up for trade.

You have to give to get.

OKC got Shai by giving up established in his prime PG. and all star and all nba player.

That’s what it costs if you think you are ready to make that all in move.

Or sit on assets while they devalue if they don’t turn out to be “it”.

Kings fans keep comparing Fox to prime 6’ 8” wings like PG-13. It would not surprise me if Monte does also, nothing gets done, and Fox walks for nothing. Monte had a decent offer for HB that was Nesmith and a 1st. The would have also lost one more game and drafted a wing instead of Davion. Monte turned it down and ended up giving a pick swap to SA to take Barnes.

We have been down this road before.

[Sactowndog]

And, that is not taking anything from Eason, just Amen is becoming that guy.

Yup give me eason over jabari every day of the week. Seems much more aggressive when I watch him play, does all the dirty work.

Keep in mind Smith was a 19 year old rookie. If you remember Fox’s first 2 years people were crapping all over him also.

You have to adjust for age and development not just what is before you.

[LightTheBeam]

Kings fans keep comparing Fox to prime 6’ 8” wings like PG-13. It would not surprise me if Monte does also, nothing gets done, and Fox walks for nothing. Monte had a decent offer for HB that was Nesmith and a 1st. The would have also lost one more game and drafted a wing instead of Davion. Monte turned it down and ended up giving a pick swap to SA to take Barnes.

We have been down this road before.

First, lets not compare HB to Fox. HB was awful and every sane Kings fan wanted him gone.

Kings are 8-2 since getting a competent head coach. This isn't a dire situation where we should be tearing it down and rebuilding. The roster is 80% in tact, we just need to fix some of the size/balancing issues.

If Fox says he doesn't want to resign, then we go down that road. But acting like he's not worth much is foolish.

The Bucks gave up Allen, Holiday, 2 swaps and unprotected pick for 33 year old lillard with a short list of teams he was willing to go to.

Hawks gave 3 1sts + a swap to get Murray. He didn't work out with their star at all, at which point they flipped him quickly for Dyson Daniels who is a stud + 2 1sts (Hint Fox is better than Murray).

I can keep going. All this to say that just because Fox isn't a 6'8 SF doesn't mean that he's worth a draft bust + a late 1st. That's ridiculous. He's an AS pg averaging 26-6-5-2 on 48% from the field, and plenty of teams are going to call if hes truly made available.

[LightTheBeam]

Keep in mind Smith was a 19 year old rookie. If you remember Fox’s first 2 years people were crapping all over him also.

You have to adjust for age and development not just what is before you.

Na you can just tell what Jabari is. Dude is stiff, and has no on ball game. You don't suddenly develop that at 22. He can get better at it, but more that likely he's a 3&D player who will have some nice games and others where he disappears. But you can kinda see Houston doesn't really miss him on the court, Amen/Eason are better, Brooks does that same thing but is more active.

Not taking a teams scraps for Fox all because some kings fans operate under the delusion that Monk is going to maintain this hot streak the rest of his career. Monk is who he is, a damn good player, but if he is your best shot getter, you will never make it past the 1st round.

[Sactowndog]

Kings fans keep comparing Fox to prime 6’ 8” wings like PG-13. It would not surprise me if Monte does also, nothing gets done, and Fox walks for nothing. Monte had a decent offer for HB that was Nesmith and a 1st. The would have also lost one more game and drafted a wing instead of Davion. Monte turned it down and ended up giving a pick swap to SA to take Barnes.

We have been down this road before.

First, lets not compare HB to Fox. HB was awful and every sane Kings fan wanted him gone.

Kings are 8-2 since getting a competent head coach. This isn't a dire situation where we should be tearing it down and rebuilding. The roster is 80% in tact, we just need to fix some of the size/balancing issues.

If Fox says he doesn't want to resign, then we go down that road. But acting like he's not worth much is foolish.

The Bucks gave up Allen, Holiday, 2 swaps and unprotected pick for 33 year old lillard with a short list of teams he was willing to go to.

Hawks gave 3 1sts + a swap to get Murray. He didn't work out with their star at all, at which point they flipped him quickly for Dyson Daniels who is a stud + 2 1sts (Hint Fox is better than Murray).

I can keep going. All this to say that just because Fox isn't a 6'8 SF doesn't mean that he's worth a draft bust + a late 1st. That's ridiculous. He's an AS pg averaging 26-6-5-2 on 48% from the field, and plenty of teams are going to call if hes truly made available.

We disagree that Smith at 21 is a draft bust. The PHX 27 pick is likely a lottery pick and I don’t have a better option to route VanVleet. If you want to say Houston should add another 1st which would be a late 1st that is fine.

[LightTheBeam]

Kings fans keep comparing Fox to prime 6’ 8” wings like PG-13. It would not surprise me if Monte does also, nothing gets done, and Fox walks for nothing. Monte had a decent offer for HB that was Nesmith and a 1st. The would have also lost one more game and drafted a wing instead of Davion. Monte turned it down and ended up giving a pick swap to SA to take Barnes.

We have been down this road before.

First, lets not compare HB to Fox. HB was awful and every sane Kings fan wanted him gone.

Kings are 8-2 since getting a competent head coach. This isn't a dire situation where we should be tearing it down and rebuilding. The roster is 80% in tact, we just need to fix some of the size/balancing issues.

If Fox says he doesn't want to resign, then we go down that road. But acting like he's not worth much is foolish.

The Bucks gave up Allen, Holiday, 2 swaps and unprotected pick for 33 year old lillard with a short list of teams he was willing to go to.

Hawks gave 3 1sts + a swap to get Murray. He didn't work out with their star at all, at which point they flipped him quickly for Dyson Daniels who is a stud + 2 1sts (Hint Fox is better than Murray).

I can keep going. All this to say that just because Fox isn't a 6'8 SF doesn't mean that he's worth a draft bust + a late 1st. That's ridiculous. He's an AS pg averaging 26-6-5-2 on 48% from the field, and plenty of teams are going to call if hes truly made available.

We disagree that Smith at 21 is a draft bust. The PHX 27 pick is likely a lottery pick and I don’t have a better option to route VanVleet. If you want to say Houston should add another 1st which would be a late 1st that is fine.

Draft bust relative to expectations. How many guys after him are you taking over him? Similar players also. Sochan, Keegan, Daniels, Williams, Eason similar mold but better. If you re-drafted that class I'm not sure he goes top 10. He looks the same as he did his rookie season. And as Houston has gotten better, his stats have went down.

He's not a bad player, hes just nothing special. A worse Keegan is where I have him at. Fine player, everyteam would love one, but near zero chance he becomes a star. He's far more likely to be a 15-8 3&d (with not so good 3pt shooting) at his peak.

[Sactowndog]

First, lets not compare HB to Fox. HB was awful and every sane Kings fan wanted him gone.

Kings are 8-2 since getting a competent head coach. This isn't a dire situation where we should be tearing it down and rebuilding. The roster is 80% in tact, we just need to fix some of the size/balancing issues.

If Fox says he doesn't want to resign, then we go down that road. But acting like he's not worth much is foolish.

The Bucks gave up Allen, Holiday, 2 swaps and unprotected pick for 33 year old lillard with a short list of teams he was willing to go to.

Hawks gave 3 1sts + a swap to get Murray. He didn't work out with their star at all, at which point they flipped him quickly for Dyson Daniels who is a stud + 2 1sts (Hint Fox is better than Murray).

I can keep going. All this to say that just because Fox isn't a 6'8 SF doesn't mean that he's worth a draft bust + a late 1st. That's ridiculous. He's an AS pg averaging 26-6-5-2 on 48% from the field, and plenty of teams are going to call if hes truly made available.

We disagree that Smith at 21 is a draft bust. The PHX 27 pick is likely a lottery pick and I don’t have a better option to route VanVleet. If you want to say Houston should add another 1st which would be a late 1st that is fine.

Draft bust relative to expectations. How many guys after him are you taking over him? Similar players also. Sochan, Keegan, Daniels, Williams, Eason similar mold but better. If you re-drafted that class I'm not sure he goes top 10. He looks the same as he did his rookie season. And as Houston has gotten better, his stats have went down.

He's not a bad player, hes just nothing special. A worse Keegan is where I have him at. Fine player, everyteam would love one, but near zero chance he becomes a star. He's far more likely to be a 15-8 3&d (with not so good 3pt shooting) at his peak.

Well plenty have done a redraft of the class

https://clutchpoints.com/redrafting-2022-nba-draft-way-to-early-redraft-from-what-looks-like-a-good-class

https://ripcityproject.com/posts/re-drafting-2022-nba-class-where-does-blazers-shaedon-sharpe-land

https://247sports.com/article/nba-re-draft-2022-paolo-banchero-chet-holmgren-jalen-williams-227266099/amp/

[OxAndFox]

We disagree that Smith at 21 is a draft bust. The PHX 27 pick is likely a lottery pick and I don’t have a better option to route VanVleet. If you want to say Houston should add another 1st which would be a late 1st that is fine.

Draft bust relative to expectations. How many guys after him are you taking over him? Similar players also. Sochan, Keegan, Daniels, Williams, Eason similar mold but better. If you re-drafted that class I'm not sure he goes top 10. He looks the same as he did his rookie season. And as Houston has gotten better, his stats have went down.

He's not a bad player, hes just nothing special. A worse Keegan is where I have him at. Fine player, everyteam would love one, but near zero chance he becomes a star. He's far more likely to be a 15-8 3&d (with not so good 3pt shooting) at his peak.

Well plenty have done a redraft of the class

https://clutchpoints.com/redrafting-2022-nba-draft-way-to-early-redraft-from-what-looks-like-a-good-class

https://ripcityproject.com/posts/re-drafting-2022-nba-class-where-does-blazers-shaedon-sharpe-land

https://247sports.com/article/nba-re-draft-2022-paolo-banchero-chet-holmgren-jalen-williams-227266099/amp/

Read the date. Articles posted prior to this season.

[Sactowndog]

Draft bust relative to expectations. How many guys after him are you taking over him? Similar players also. Sochan, Keegan, Daniels, Williams, Eason similar mold but better. If you re-drafted that class I'm not sure he goes top 10. He looks the same as he did his rookie season. And as Houston has gotten better, his stats have went down.

He's not a bad player, hes just nothing special. A worse Keegan is where I have him at. Fine player, everyteam would love one, but near zero chance he becomes a star. He's far more likely to be a 15-8 3&d (with not so good 3pt shooting) at his peak.

Well plenty have done a redraft of the class

https://clutchpoints.com/redrafting-2022-nba-draft-way-to-early-redraft-from-what-looks-like-a-good-class

https://ripcityproject.com/posts/re-drafting-2022-nba-class-where-does-blazers-shaedon-sharpe-land

https://247sports.com/article/nba-re-draft-2022-paolo-banchero-chet-holmgren-jalen-williams-227266099/amp/

Read the date. Articles posted prior to this season.

It’s been half a season

[OxAndFox]

Well plenty have done a redraft of the class

https://clutchpoints.com/redrafting-2022-nba-draft-way-to-early-redraft-from-what-looks-like-a-good-class

https://ripcityproject.com/posts/re-drafting-2022-nba-class-where-does-blazers-shaedon-sharpe-land

https://247sports.com/article/nba-re-draft-2022-paolo-banchero-chet-holmgren-jalen-williams-227266099/amp/

Read the date. Articles posted prior to this season.

It’s been half a season

Correct. Into their 3rd season. So it matters. The rest of this year will tell a lot. Whether it be a Keegan or a Jabari etc.

[LightTheBeam]

We disagree that Smith at 21 is a draft bust. The PHX 27 pick is likely a lottery pick and I don’t have a better option to route VanVleet. If you want to say Houston should add another 1st which would be a late 1st that is fine.

Draft bust relative to expectations. How many guys after him are you taking over him? Similar players also. Sochan, Keegan, Daniels, Williams, Eason similar mold but better. If you re-drafted that class I'm not sure he goes top 10. He looks the same as he did his rookie season. And as Houston has gotten better, his stats have went down.

He's not a bad player, hes just nothing special. A worse Keegan is where I have him at. Fine player, everyteam would love one, but near zero chance he becomes a star. He's far more likely to be a 15-8 3&d (with not so good 3pt shooting) at his peak.

Well plenty have done a redraft of the class

https://clutchpoints.com/redrafting-2022-nba-draft-way-to-early-redraft-from-what-looks-like-a-good-class

https://ripcityproject.com/posts/re-drafting-2022-nba-class-where-does-blazers-shaedon-sharpe-land

https://247sports.com/article/nba-re-draft-2022-paolo-banchero-chet-holmgren-jalen-williams-227266099/amp/

Every single one of those is from before the season started. 2 of them were from last season.

The landscape has changed significantly year 3.

Edit: seems like someone already beat me to it.

[Frankie]

Sac can keep Fox lol. He's not the all in guy we should be after anyway. He's worth a haul of some kind, but not our haul.

Good luck to Sac. I like them as a team and I like Fox. I like their fans too. I hope you keep him and surge up the standings.

[The Beam King]

I hope HOU FO also realizes that all of their players are awesome and other teams’ assets are terrible before they actually make any deals. Hopefully, they’re checking in here for perspective.

Fixed for reality of whats being said in this thread. Houston has had a nice start to the season but let's see where they end up by seasons end.