You're not getting Richards or Boucher for a 2nd round pick. Plus, Boucher's $10.8 million is going to require giving up several players to match salary, unless you're going to just do a 1 for 1 swap for Okoro.jbk1234 wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10150765-nba-trade-rumors-knicks-shopping-jericho-sims-ahead-of-deadline-seek-2nd-round-pick
Cavs should be all over this for spot 15.
The Knicks are pretty desperate for a backup center with Mitchell Robinson out. The fact that they're shopping Sims likely means he's not up for the job. If we're spending draft capital, Boucher is the guy I'd target. Maybe Richardson.
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Goes to show what i know Richards and one 2nd traded to the Suns for Okogie and three 2nds.JujitsuFlip wrote:You're not getting Richards or Boucher for a 2nd round pick. Plus, Boucher's $10.8 million is going to require giving up several players to match salary, unless you're going to just do a 1 for 1 swap for Okoro.jbk1234 wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10150765-nba-trade-rumors-knicks-shopping-jericho-sims-ahead-of-deadline-seek-2nd-round-pick
Cavs should be all over this for spot 15.
The Knicks are pretty desperate for a backup center with Mitchell Robinson out. The fact that they're shopping Sims likely means he's not up for the job. If we're spending draft capital, Boucher is the guy I'd target. Maybe Richardson.
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JujitsuFlip wrote:Goes to show what i know Richards and one 2nd traded to the Suns for Okogie and three 2nds.JujitsuFlip wrote:You're not getting Richards or Boucher for a 2nd round pick. Plus, Boucher's $10.8 million is going to require giving up several players to match salary, unless you're going to just do a 1 for 1 swap for Okoro.jbk1234 wrote:
The Knicks are pretty desperate for a backup center with Mitchell Robinson out. The fact that they're shopping Sims likely means he's not up for the job. If we're spending draft capital, Boucher is the guy I'd target. Maybe Richardson.
Maybe we can get Boucher for a SRP lol. Okogie wasn't even in their line-up so JT Thor and a SRP? That doesn't work for salary reasons. It would need to be someone like Niang.
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ijspeelman wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:Goes to show what i know Richards and one 2nd traded to the Suns for Okogie and three 2nds.JujitsuFlip wrote:You're not getting Richards or Boucher for a 2nd round pick. Plus, Boucher's $10.8 million is going to require giving up several players to match salary, unless you're going to just do a 1 for 1 swap for Okoro.
Maybe we can get Boucher for a SRP lol. Okogie wasn't even in their line-up so JT Thor and a SRP? That doesn't work for salary reasons. It would need to be someone like Niang.
I think it would cost Niang, Merrill, and all 4 seconds.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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jbk1234 wrote:ijspeelman wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:Goes to show what i know Richards and one 2nd traded to the Suns for Okogie and three 2nds.
Maybe we can get Boucher for a SRP lol. Okogie wasn't even in their line-up so JT Thor and a SRP? That doesn't work for salary reasons. It would need to be someone like Niang.
I think it would cost Niang, Merrill, and all 4 seconds.
Its only a half season rental. The nice thing is it gets us off Niang to maybe pay for both Jerome and LeVert (idk if it 100% would work like that).
Four seconds sounds like too many. Also, I know Merrill has been off this season, but I still think he has use come the playoffs. I think he won't get regular minutes, but I he could get spot minutes where him being a flamethrower off the bench lifts us up. Niang has turned it up on offense and defense, but idk if that holds comes the playoffs so I am down to ship him out to free up space in the summer.
We may miss him in the locker room tho. The guys seem to love him and he's always taking guys under his shoulder.
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ijspeelman wrote:jbk1234 wrote:ijspeelman wrote:
Maybe we can get Boucher for a SRP lol. Okogie wasn't even in their line-up so JT Thor and a SRP? That doesn't work for salary reasons. It would need to be someone like Niang.
I think it would cost Niang, Merrill, and all 4 seconds.
Its only a half season rental. The nice thing is it gets us off Niang to maybe pay for both Jerome and LeVert (idk if it 100% would work like that).
Four seconds sounds like too many. Also, I know Merrill has been off this season, but I still think he has use come the playoffs. I think he won't get regular minutes, but I he could get spot minutes where him being a flamethrower off the bench lifts us up.
I think if the Cavs pay to swap bench bigs, they'll duck the tax, not go further into it.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/one-clear-area-giving-the-cleveland-cavaliers-plenty-of-problems
Same issue the Cavs have had since trading for Mitchell, nothing new.
Not sure what their defense is like or even their 3 point shot anymore but Robert Covington and Reggie Bullock are out there. I'd bring one of em in on a 10 day contract.
Same issue the Cavs have had since trading for Mitchell, nothing new.
Not sure what their defense is like or even their 3 point shot anymore but Robert Covington and Reggie Bullock are out there. I'd bring one of em in on a 10 day contract.
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JujitsuFlip wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/one-clear-area-giving-the-cleveland-cavaliers-plenty-of-problems
Same issue the Cavs have had since trading for Mitchell, nothing new.
Not sure what their defense is like or even their 3 point shot anymore but Robert Covington and Reggie Bullock are out there. I'd bring one of em in on a 10 day contract.
This is a tired, lazy narrative and really isn't their problem. It would be nice if a player like SGA had to shoot over a wing with size, but that wing needs to be able to stay in front of him. That's maybe 2-3 guys in the entire league? Wade can do an okay job, but when you start him, you have no bench bigs outside of Niang and Niang simply can't stay on the floor against certain teams.
The Cavs actually play their core 4 guys together very few minutes. It's a problem defensively.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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It is by design, as lots of people do not believe a Garland/Mitchell back court and an Allen/Mobley front court can be successful in the playoffs. They might not be wrong, we won't know until April.jbk1234 wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/one-clear-area-giving-the-cleveland-cavaliers-plenty-of-problems
Same issue the Cavs have had since trading for Mitchell, nothing new.
Not sure what their defense is like or even their 3 point shot anymore but Robert Covington and Reggie Bullock are out there. I'd bring one of em in on a 10 day contract.
This is a tired, lazy narrative and really isn't their problem. It would be nice if a player like SGA had to shoot over a wing with size, but that wing needs to be able to stay in front of him. That's maybe 2-3 guys in the entire league? Wade can do an okay job, but when you start him, you have no bench bigs outside of Niang and Niang simply can't stay on the floor against certain teams.
The Cavs actually play their core 4 guys together very few minutes. It's a problem defensively.
This isn't a 2024 Celtics who Brown/Tatum/KP/Jrue/White fit together flawlessly
This isn't a 2023 Nuggets who KCP/MPJ/Jokic/Murray/Gordon fit together flawlessly
This isn't a 2022 Warriors who Steph/Klay/Wiggins/Dray/5th starter fit together flawlessly
This isn't a 2021 Bucks who Jrue/Giannis/BroLo/PJ/Middleton fit together flawlessly
This isn't a 2020 Lakers who LeBron/AD/Danny Green/KCP/5th starter fit together flawlessly
This isn't a 2019 Raptors who Kawhi/Lowry/Danny Green/Gasol/Sikam fit together flawlessly
You get the point. The Cavs have redundancy that they're splitting up into 2 units to allow them to punk teams for 48 minutes. It probably won't work in the playoffs when we can't have our 4 best players on the court at the same time, with the same advantage/success.
This is honestly an even bigger kudos to Kenny for figuring out how to make it work through the 1st half of the season. He doesn't have a ready made starting 5 that naturally meshes together, like the previous 15 or so champions.
I think the 2010 Lakers were the last championship team that didn't really fit together. But they ran the triangle and that was before the current era of the NBA of pace, space, and launch 3s so they got away with it.
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JujitsuFlip wrote:It is by design, as lots of people do not believe a Garland/Mitchell back court and an Allen/Mobley front court can be successful in the playoffs. They might not be wrong, we won't know until April.jbk1234 wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/one-clear-area-giving-the-cleveland-cavaliers-plenty-of-problems
Same issue the Cavs have had since trading for Mitchell, nothing new.
Not sure what their defense is like or even their 3 point shot anymore but Robert Covington and Reggie Bullock are out there. I'd bring one of em in on a 10 day contract.
This is a tired, lazy narrative and really isn't their problem. It would be nice if a player like SGA had to shoot over a wing with size, but that wing needs to be able to stay in front of him. That's maybe 2-3 guys in the entire league? Wade can do an okay job, but when you start him, you have no bench bigs outside of Niang and Niang simply can't stay on the floor against certain teams.
The Cavs actually play their core 4 guys together very few minutes. It's a problem defensively.
This isn't a 2024 Celtics who Brown/Tatum/KP/Jrue/White fit together flawlessly
This isn't a 2023 Nuggets who KCP/MPJ/Jokic/Murray/Gordon fit together flawlessly
This isn't a 2022 Warriors who Steph/Klay/Wiggins/Dray/5th starter fit together flawlessly
This isn't a 2021 Bucks who Jrue/Giannis/BroLo/PJ/Middleton fit together flawlessly
This isn't a 2020 Lakers who LeBron/AD/Danny Green/KCP/5th starter fit together flawlessly
This isn't a 2019 Raptors who Kawhi/Lowry/Danny Green/Gasol/Sikam fit together flawlessly
You get the point. The Cavs have redundancy that they're splitting up into 2 units to allow them to punk teams for 48 minutes. It probably won't work in the playoffs when we can't have our 4 best players on the court at the same time, with the same advantage/success.
This is honestly an even bigger kudos to Kenny for figuring out how to make it work through the 1st half of the season. He doesn't have a ready made starting 5 that naturally meshes together, like the previous 15 or so champions.
I think the 2010 Lakers were the last championship team that didn't really fit together. But they ran the triangle and that was before the current era of the NBA of pace, space, and launch 3s so they got away with it.
The problem is not that our core four don't fit or can't be successful (all of the advanced data actually refutes that). It's that we're unable to play them together enough against the 20% of the league where they need to do that. Your opponent can scheme one rim protector out of the paint. They can't do it with two. Your opponent can tilt their defense towards Mitchell or Garland, but not both.
We need another defensive big so we can keep Allen and Mobley together more (or at least keep the drop off from being so steep). I think (hope) Ty Jerome will make it harder for defenses to load up on Garland or Mitchell. Right now, we're just trying to out score second units and we lack the personnel to try an alternative when it doesn't work against certain teams.
cbosh4mvp wrote:
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Ehhhh, i don't think i agree.jbk1234 wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:It is by design, as lots of people do not believe a Garland/Mitchell back court and an Allen/Mobley front court can be successful in the playoffs. They might not be wrong, we won't know until April.jbk1234 wrote:
This is a tired, lazy narrative and really isn't their problem. It would be nice if a player like SGA had to shoot over a wing with size, but that wing needs to be able to stay in front of him. That's maybe 2-3 guys in the entire league? Wade can do an okay job, but when you start him, you have no bench bigs outside of Niang and Niang simply can't stay on the floor against certain teams.
The Cavs actually play their core 4 guys together very few minutes. It's a problem defensively.
This isn't a 2024 Celtics who Brown/Tatum/KP/Jrue/White fit together flawlessly
This isn't a 2023 Nuggets who KCP/MPJ/Jokic/Murray/Gordon fit together flawlessly
This isn't a 2022 Warriors who Steph/Klay/Wiggins/Dray/5th starter fit together flawlessly
This isn't a 2021 Bucks who Jrue/Giannis/BroLo/PJ/Middleton fit together flawlessly
This isn't a 2020 Lakers who LeBron/AD/Danny Green/KCP/5th starter fit together flawlessly
This isn't a 2019 Raptors who Kawhi/Lowry/Danny Green/Gasol/Sikam fit together flawlessly
You get the point. The Cavs have redundancy that they're splitting up into 2 units to allow them to punk teams for 48 minutes. It probably won't work in the playoffs when we can't have our 4 best players on the court at the same time, with the same advantage/success.
This is honestly an even bigger kudos to Kenny for figuring out how to make it work through the 1st half of the season. He doesn't have a ready made starting 5 that naturally meshes together, like the previous 15 or so champions.
I think the 2010 Lakers were the last championship team that didn't really fit together. But they ran the triangle and that was before the current era of the NBA of pace, space, and launch 3s so they got away with it.
The problem is not that our core four don't fit or can't be successful (all of the advanced data actually refutes that). It's that we're unable to play them together enough against the 20% of the league where they need to do that. Your opponent can scheme one rim protector out of the paint. They can't do it with two. Your opponent can tilt their defense towards Mitchell or Garland, but not both.
We need another defensive big so we can keep Allen and Mobley together more (or at least keep the drop off from being so steep). I think (hope) Ty Jerome will make it harder for defenses to load up on Garland or Mitchell. Right now, we're just trying to out score second units and we lack the personnel to try an alternative when it doesn't work against certain teams.
Getting a serviceable bench big to take Mobley's minutes at 5 away, is really not all that beneficial, for the final 42 games of the season.
Because you're trying to solve a regular season problem, that doesn't need solving.
Mobley is better than any back-up 5 you're going to acquire, similarly Mitchell is better than TJ and any back-up 1 you're going to acquire.
We need a true SF and potetinally a true back-up SF too, to make a deep playoff run.
Celtics play 4 wings and 1 big.
Knicks play 3 wings, 1 guard, and 1 big.
Bucks play 3 wings, 1 guard, and 1 big.
Pacers play 2.5 wings, 1 guard, and 1 big.
Hawks play 3 wings, 1 guard, and 1 big.
Magic play 3 or 4 bigs, when healthy but who cares, their offense is abysmal.
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JujitsuFlip wrote:Ehhhh, i don't think i agree.jbk1234 wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:It is by design, as lots of people do not believe a Garland/Mitchell back court and an Allen/Mobley front court can be successful in the playoffs. They might not be wrong, we won't know until April.
This isn't a 2024 Celtics who Brown/Tatum/KP/Jrue/White fit together flawlessly
This isn't a 2023 Nuggets who KCP/MPJ/Jokic/Murray/Gordon fit together flawlessly
This isn't a 2022 Warriors who Steph/Klay/Wiggins/Dray/5th starter fit together flawlessly
This isn't a 2021 Bucks who Jrue/Giannis/BroLo/PJ/Middleton fit together flawlessly
This isn't a 2020 Lakers who LeBron/AD/Danny Green/KCP/5th starter fit together flawlessly
This isn't a 2019 Raptors who Kawhi/Lowry/Danny Green/Gasol/Sikam fit together flawlessly
You get the point. The Cavs have redundancy that they're splitting up into 2 units to allow them to punk teams for 48 minutes. It probably won't work in the playoffs when we can't have our 4 best players on the court at the same time, with the same advantage/success.
This is honestly an even bigger kudos to Kenny for figuring out how to make it work through the 1st half of the season. He doesn't have a ready made starting 5 that naturally meshes together, like the previous 15 or so champions.
I think the 2010 Lakers were the last championship team that didn't really fit together. But they ran the triangle and that was before the current era of the NBA of pace, space, and launch 3s so they got away with it.
The problem is not that our core four don't fit or can't be successful (all of the advanced data actually refutes that). It's that we're unable to play them together enough against the 20% of the league where they need to do that. Your opponent can scheme one rim protector out of the paint. They can't do it with two. Your opponent can tilt their defense towards Mitchell or Garland, but not both.
We need another defensive big so we can keep Allen and Mobley together more (or at least keep the drop off from being so steep). I think (hope) Ty Jerome will make it harder for defenses to load up on Garland or Mitchell. Right now, we're just trying to out score second units and we lack the personnel to try an alternative when it doesn't work against certain teams.
Getting a serviceable bench big to take Mobley's minutes at 5 away, is really not all that beneficial, for the final 42 games of the season.
Because you're trying to solve a regular season problem, that doesn't need solving.
Mobley is better than any back-up 5 you're going to acquire, similarly Mitchell is better than TJ and any back-up 1 you're going to acquire.
We need a true SF and potetinally a true back-up SF too, to make a deep playoff run.
Celtics play 4 wings and 1 big.
Knicks play 3 wings, 1 guard, and 1 big.
Bucks play 3 wings, 1 guard, and 1 big.
Pacers play 2.5 wings, 1 guard, and 1 big.
Hawks play 3 wings, 1 guard, and 1 big.
Magic play 3 or 4 bigs, when healthy but who cares, their offense is abysmal.
We have the personnel to guard Bridges, Middleton and Brown.
Giannis is 7 feet tall. Mobley is guarding him regardless of whether you call him a wing.
Tatum is 6'10" PF. Mobley is guarding him regardless of whether you call him a wing.
Mitchell Robinson is scheduled to return well in advance of the playoffs. Most pundits/fans believe the Knicks will move Hart to the bench and KAT to the 4 once that happens.
You're going to need Mobley on the court when these other guys are on the court.
Allen and Mobley are tough for other teams to handle together. They're much easier for playoff teams to deal with separately.
cbosh4mvp wrote:
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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If you're looking for a defensive big to chew up a couple minutes just go sign McGee or Biyombo to spot 15. They both played as recently as last season.jbk1234 wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:Ehhhh, i don't think i agree.jbk1234 wrote:
The problem is not that our core four don't fit or can't be successful (all of the advanced data actually refutes that). It's that we're unable to play them together enough against the 20% of the league where they need to do that. Your opponent can scheme one rim protector out of the paint. They can't do it with two. Your opponent can tilt their defense towards Mitchell or Garland, but not both.
We need another defensive big so we can keep Allen and Mobley together more (or at least keep the drop off from being so steep). I think (hope) Ty Jerome will make it harder for defenses to load up on Garland or Mitchell. Right now, we're just trying to out score second units and we lack the personnel to try an alternative when it doesn't work against certain teams.
Getting a serviceable bench big to take Mobley's minutes at 5 away, is really not all that beneficial, for the final 42 games of the season.
Because you're trying to solve a regular season problem, that doesn't need solving.
Mobley is better than any back-up 5 you're going to acquire, similarly Mitchell is better than TJ and any back-up 1 you're going to acquire.
We need a true SF and potetinally a true back-up SF too, to make a deep playoff run.
Celtics play 4 wings and 1 big.
Knicks play 3 wings, 1 guard, and 1 big.
Bucks play 3 wings, 1 guard, and 1 big.
Pacers play 2.5 wings, 1 guard, and 1 big.
Hawks play 3 wings, 1 guard, and 1 big.
Magic play 3 or 4 bigs, when healthy but who cares, their offense is abysmal.
We have the personnel to guard Bridges, Middleton and Brown.
Giannis is 7 feet tall. Mobley is guarding him regardless of whether you call him a wing.
Tatum is 6'10" PF. Mobley is guarding him regardless of whether you call him a wing.
Mitchell Robinson is scheduled to return well in advance of the playoffs. Most pundits/fans believe the Knicks will move Hart to the bench and KAT to the 4 once that happens.
You're going to need Mobley on the court when these other guys are on the court.
Allen and Mobley are tough for other teams to handle together. They're much easier for playoff teams to deal with separately.
The issue is not a back-up big, it is the rotation as a whole.
LeVert and Strus are redundant next to each other, off the bench, in Kenny's offense.
Niang should see zero minutes, preferably Wade would move to the bench and take all his minutes.
Okoro can't be played in the playoffs because you're 4 on 5 on offense.
Merrill can't be played in the playoffs because you're 4 on 5 on defense.
Playoff rotation
Garland/TJ
Mitchell/Strus
Cam Johnson/RoCo or Bullock
Mobley/Wade
Allen/McGee or Biyombo
Out of the rotation: Merrill, CPJ, Okoro, Tyson, Thor (converted to standard deal).
LeVert, Niang, and TT sent out for Cam.
In later rounds the backup SF and backup C can play little to no minutes, if needed.
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JujitsuFlip wrote:If you're looking for a defensive big to chew up a couple minutes just go sign McGee or Biyombo to spot 15. They both played as recently as last season.jbk1234 wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:Ehhhh, i don't think i agree.
Getting a serviceable bench big to take Mobley's minutes at 5 away, is really not all that beneficial, for the final 42 games of the season.
Because you're trying to solve a regular season problem, that doesn't need solving.
Mobley is better than any back-up 5 you're going to acquire, similarly Mitchell is better than TJ and any back-up 1 you're going to acquire.
We need a true SF and potetinally a true back-up SF too, to make a deep playoff run.
Celtics play 4 wings and 1 big.
Knicks play 3 wings, 1 guard, and 1 big.
Bucks play 3 wings, 1 guard, and 1 big.
Pacers play 2.5 wings, 1 guard, and 1 big.
Hawks play 3 wings, 1 guard, and 1 big.
Magic play 3 or 4 bigs, when healthy but who cares, their offense is abysmal.
We have the personnel to guard Bridges, Middleton and Brown.
Giannis is 7 feet tall. Mobley is guarding him regardless of whether you call him a wing.
Tatum is 6'10" PF. Mobley is guarding him regardless of whether you call him a wing.
Mitchell Robinson is scheduled to return well in advance of the playoffs. Most pundits/fans believe the Knicks will move Hart to the bench and KAT to the 4 once that happens.
You're going to need Mobley on the court when these other guys are on the court.
Allen and Mobley are tough for other teams to handle together. They're much easier for playoff teams to deal with separately.
The issue is not a back-up big, it is the rotation as a whole.
LeVert and Strus are redundant next to each other, off the bench, in Kenny's offense.
Niang should see zero minutes, preferably Wade would move to the bench and take all his minutes.
Okoro can't be played in the playoffs because you're 4 on 5 on offense.
Merrill can't be played in the playoffs because you're 4 on 5 on defense.
Playoff rotation
Garland/TJ
Mitchell/Strus
Cam Johnson/RoCo or Bullock
Mobley/Wade
Allen/McGee or Biyombo
Out of the rotation: Merrill, CPJ, Okoro, Tyson, Thor (converted to standard deal).
LeVert, Niang, and TT sent out for Cam.
In later rounds the backup SF and backup C can play little to no minutes, if needed.
The only way I'm trading for Cam is if they're including Sharpe in the deal, and honestly, I prefer Merrill, TT, and at couple seconds for just Sharpe.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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jbk1234 wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:If you're looking for a defensive big to chew up a couple minutes just go sign McGee or Biyombo to spot 15. They both played as recently as last season.jbk1234 wrote:
We have the personnel to guard Bridges, Middleton and Brown.
Giannis is 7 feet tall. Mobley is guarding him regardless of whether you call him a wing.
Tatum is 6'10" PF. Mobley is guarding him regardless of whether you call him a wing.
Mitchell Robinson is scheduled to return well in advance of the playoffs. Most pundits/fans believe the Knicks will move Hart to the bench and KAT to the 4 once that happens.
You're going to need Mobley on the court when these other guys are on the court.
Allen and Mobley are tough for other teams to handle together. They're much easier for playoff teams to deal with separately.
The issue is not a back-up big, it is the rotation as a whole.
LeVert and Strus are redundant next to each other, off the bench, in Kenny's offense.
Niang should see zero minutes, preferably Wade would move to the bench and take all his minutes.
Okoro can't be played in the playoffs because you're 4 on 5 on offense.
Merrill can't be played in the playoffs because you're 4 on 5 on defense.
Playoff rotation
Garland/TJ
Mitchell/Strus
Cam Johnson/RoCo or Bullock
Mobley/Wade
Allen/McGee or Biyombo
Out of the rotation: Merrill, CPJ, Okoro, Tyson, Thor (converted to standard deal).
LeVert, Niang, and TT sent out for Cam.
In later rounds the backup SF and backup C can play little to no minutes, if needed.
The only way I'm trading for Cam is if they're including Sharpe in the deal, and honestly, I prefer Merrill, TT, and a couple seconds for just Sharpe.
I prefer McGee or Biyombo for a prorated vet min in spot 15 over Sharpe.
You say the Cavs can guard Bridges and that our towers will go against their towers but then OG has a tiny guy on him and Brunson will cook ya.
You say Mobley takes Tatum and we can handle Brown. Then Jrue and White are just gonna go off, as we know they can.
You say Mobley will take Giannis and we can handle Middleton. Then Dame and probably Bobby Portis just cook ya.
The Cavs do not matchup very well with most teams in the East, outside of the Magic. Especially if refs will continue to swallow their whistle and allow a lot of physicality.
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JujitsuFlip wrote:jbk1234 wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:If you're looking for a defensive big to chew up a couple minutes just go sign McGee or Biyombo to spot 15. They both played as recently as last season.
The issue is not a back-up big, it is the rotation as a whole.
LeVert and Strus are redundant next to each other, off the bench, in Kenny's offense.
Niang should see zero minutes, preferably Wade would move to the bench and take all his minutes.
Okoro can't be played in the playoffs because you're 4 on 5 on offense.
Merrill can't be played in the playoffs because you're 4 on 5 on defense.
Playoff rotation
Garland/TJ
Mitchell/Strus
Cam Johnson/RoCo or Bullock
Mobley/Wade
Allen/McGee or Biyombo
Out of the rotation: Merrill, CPJ, Okoro, Tyson, Thor (converted to standard deal).
LeVert, Niang, and TT sent out for Cam.
In later rounds the backup SF and backup C can play little to no minutes, if needed.
The only way I'm trading for Cam is if they're including Sharpe in the deal, and honestly, I prefer Merrill, TT, and a couple seconds for just Sharpe.
I prefer McGee or Biyombo for a prorated vet min in spot 15 over Sharpe.
You say the Cavs can guard Bridges and that our towers will go against their towers but then OG has a tiny guy on him and Brunson will cook ya.
You say Mobley takes Tatum and we can handle Brown. Then Jrue and White are just gonna go off, as we know they can.
You say Mobley will take Giannis and we can handle Middleton. Then Dame and probably Bobby Portis just cook ya.
The Cavs do not matchup very well with most teams in the East, outside of the Magic. Especially if refs will continue to swallow their whistle and allow a lot of physicality.
I don't how much you've watched Cam play, but he's not guarding any of those guys. He's a minor improvement over Niang defensively and a considerable downgrade from Wade. I think LeVert is better than him on that end of the court.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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I hate his contract, but I’m contemplating whether Patrick Williams would take Niang’s spot effectively.
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Way too long for me.toooskies wrote:I hate his contract, but I’m contemplating whether Patrick Williams would take Niang’s spot effectively.
He's not a super consist floor spaced and his DBPM seems to always be negative..
It's a no for me.
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Does Merrill, TT & seconds for Sharpe get us out of the tax?
cbosh4mvp wrote:
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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jbk1234 wrote:Does Merrill, TT & seconds for Sharpe get us out of the tax?
Probably gets us deeper into the tax with the other player we’ll add to the roster. Sharpe makes $3.9m.
Yabusele might be the better option for that kind of move?