Cowley: Bulls ready to add Patrick Williams to trade block

[HomoSapien]

This is a clear leak. Very un AK like.

Sounds like it may be a coach that was working directly with Pat.

But in true AK fashion he will sell at Pat’s all time low value.

Well, leaking that he's not easy to work with isn't going to do us any favors.

[Muzbar]

If Pat gets traded the receiving team must lower their rims to 9ft to get better value out of him.

[JimmyButler21]

Buy High, Sell Low. The Chicago Bulls since 1998

[Hangtime84]

AKME have made a grand total of two good moves. Signing Caruso and drafting Ayo. Everything else has been a complete disaster.

Drafting Buz.

Maybe but I do like what see

Julian Philips might be another one

[SirKaiser]

AKME have made a grand total of two good moves. Signing Caruso and drafting Ayo. Everything else has been a complete disaster.

This is absurd.

Signing Ball
Signing Craig
Signing Drummond

You mean the Lonzo Ball that is a part time basketball player?

You mean the Torrey Craig that doesn't play?

You mean the Andre Drummond that was let go for nothing when they had offers?

Just stop, the trolling stopped being midly amusing a long time ago.

Eh you can't really hold any of that against AK. No one knew Ball was going to be hurt (And no one thought he'd be healthy enough to be a productive role player again, like he is now). Craig and Drummond both would have been great supplemental pieces if everything else worked out. Hindsight is 20/20 and those were all good moves at the time.

That said, AK had some other blunders and those moves do not make up for it imo.

[GoBlue72391]

A source Saturday told the Sun-Times that Karnisovas finally has bought in to the idea that 23-year-old forward Patrick Williams needs a change of scenery, opening the door for him to be on the trade block, too.

So why the change of heart?

The Bulls’ coaching staff has been trying to unlock Williams’ potential for years. And while he has had setbacks with injuries, the source said Williams hasn’t been easy to work with.

As is the case with most NBA teams, individual coaches are matched up with individual players, and there has been frustration on both sides with previous matchups. The source stressed that Williams hasn’t been volatile or difficult in terms of his behavior. It’s more about him not being completely comfortable to buy in to what’s being communicated.

More at link:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2025/01/18/according-to-a-source-add-patrick-williams-to-bulls-trade-block

"Not being completely comfortable to buy in to what's being communicated."

What the hell does that even mean?

I'm taking it to mean he's not comfortable with being asked to take on an a bigger offensive load since he knows he's not capable of doing that.

If that's not it, I have no idea what it could mean. It's very troubling either way.

[Andi Obst]

I think that maybe AK’s new approach to managing is making the rest of the league feel so sorry for us, that maybe we’ll catch a few bones.

Top 3 ways for the Bulls to become relevant under current leadership:

1. A (draft) miracle happens (Bulls get Cooper Flagg, something like that).

2. Other teams feel sorry, help Bulls.

3. League intervenes because the management is so bad that it's actually kind of suspicious.

[Dez]

This is absurd.

Signing Ball
Signing Craig
Signing Drummond

You mean the Lonzo Ball that is a part time basketball player?

You mean the Torrey Craig that doesn't play?

You mean the Andre Drummond that was let go for nothing when they had offers?

Just stop, the trolling stopped being midly amusing a long time ago.

Eh you can't really hold any of that against AK. No one knew Ball was going to be hurt (And no one thought he'd be healthy enough to be a productive role player again, like he is now). Craig and Drummond both would have been great supplemental pieces if everything else worked out. Hindsight is 20/20 and those were all good moves at the time.

That said, AK had some other blunders and those moves do not make up for it imo.

Nobody knew the always injured Ball would get injured? Okay.

The Drummond signing was good but letting him go for nothing when you knew you couldn't resign him and had offers is idiotic.

Craig is a good player doing nothing on the bench, he could have had minutes and been traded.

None of this is hindsight, this was all stated at the time.

[magee]

This was one of the worst contract extensions this past summer. He's shown no growth in his game. Chicago will be lucky to find a taker for him.

[Ice Man]

AKME have made a grand total of two good moves. Signing Caruso and drafting Ayo. Everything else has been a complete disaster.

Ball was a good pick-up. Sure, he has always been fragile, but he averaged 54 games per year during his 4 years with the Pelicans. Had he played 54 games with us for 4 years, which was the reasonable expectation, his would have been an attractive contract.

But of course I am not arguing with your central point. Who could?

As for Pat, if we get anything at all for him I guess you could argue that he wasn't a bad signing, since if he had left in the summer we would have received nothing. But what GM in sound mind would give positive value for Pat's contract?

[Almost Retired]

PW is basically an irrelevant and overpaid player on an irrelevant team going nowhere. Keep him. Trade him. Put him on waivers. It would make no difference in the standings. The kid is a bust compared to where he was drafted. End of story. The only question that still remains is why has the AKME tandem not been fired yet.

[DuckIII]

It’s hard to imagine him having much trade value at this point, but the concern has shifted to whether or not he can even earn his relatively mild contract. Plus our team has zero franchise players and no direction. It would make sense now to trade him but it’s hard to see it with him playing like he has been. Guys who sign long deals and immediately get worse are a hard sell.

[rosenthall]

A source Saturday told the Sun-Times that Karnisovas finally has bought in to the idea that 23-year-old forward Patrick Williams needs a change of scenery, opening the door for him to be on the trade block, too.

So why the change of heart?

The Bulls’ coaching staff has been trying to unlock Williams’ potential for years. And while he has had setbacks with injuries, the source said Williams hasn’t been easy to work with.

As is the case with most NBA teams, individual coaches are matched up with individual players, and there has been frustration on both sides with previous matchups. The source stressed that Williams hasn’t been volatile or difficult in terms of his behavior. It’s more about him not being completely comfortable to buy in to what’s being communicated.

More at link:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2025/01/18/according-to-a-source-add-patrick-williams-to-bulls-trade-block

"Not being completely comfortable to buy in to what's being communicated."

What the hell does that even mean?

I'm taking it to mean he's not comfortable with being asked to take on an a bigger offensive load since he knows he's not capable of doing that.

If that's not it, I have no idea what it could mean. It's very troubling either way.

I've been around people who were unmanageably timid. They aren't defiant or loud-mouthed, but just have a behavioral block that prevents them from fully embracing a line of action.

The reasons for it can vary, but it's usually a combination of anxiety, low-trust outlook, or high amounts of negative self-talk.

I wouldn't be surprised if Pat suffers from some of these things, given his demeanor.

Pat looks to me like someone who's a good candidate for CBT, to help him "manipulate his mental".

[rosenthall]

Duplicate post. Mods please delete.

[rosenthall]

To summarize this article in another way: There's just no organizational cure for Eddy Curry-ism.

[_txchilibowl_]

To summarize this article in another way: There's just no organizational cure for Eddy Curry-ism.

"Help us Isiah Thomas. You're our only hope."

[PistolP]

I hope someone takes him off our hands but I feel like it will be tough. He’s had a net negative impact on the court every season, has shown no improvement in five years, and is now significantly overpaid. If I were another team I’d rather have Craig on a vet min or just take a flyer on a draft pick.

[dougthonus]

AKME have made a grand total of two good moves. Signing Caruso and drafting Ayo. Everything else has been a complete disaster.

That got dinged for how they signed Ball, but signing him was a good move (knee issues aside). The problem was not fixing the PF spot (too much PW love) and not blowing up the team sooner when it was clear Lonzo was going to be out for seasons.

I think that under estimate the problem. They have many problems, and the problems are not single issues but pervasive trends in how the behave the repeat over and over again. They don't lose on every one of these behaviors every time, but they put themselves in position to lose a lot more often than they win.

1: Their strategy is horrible. They decide to go for it when they have no chance whatsoever of making up enough ground to make that work which then lowers their asset base and makes it way harder to make anything else work in the future. (Vuc trade, DeMar S&T both ate up a ton of future assets to get a single playoff appearance and 1 playoff win)

2: When they make moves, they hang onto them too long and don't maximize value for things that might have had value or they wait until they are absolutely certain the move failed prior to trading it and now can't get out of it at all (hanging on too long to DeMar, Caruso whom they got a tiny bit of value but could have gotten more earlier (Coby / Ayo in this bucket in a year), hanging on to Zach / Pat too long and end up stuck with them when they could have gotten value earlier)

3: They are terrible at scouting and just make dumb draft choices. The one hit and one potential hit they have are guys whom fell well beyond their expected draft positions. They haven't had many picks, but Pat is a bust, Terry is a bust, Ayo was projected as a late 1st and lasted until 37, Matas was projected at 5 and fell to 11 (who knows if Matas will end up a hit). With Ayo if you need any more proof they lucked into him, they gave Marco the 3 year deal and Ayo the 2 year deal showing they didn't even believe in him over Marco at the time.

4: They negotiate against themselves in FA (Vuc, Zach, Pat, Coby, Ayo). So far it has kind of worked out with Coby/Ayo, but those guys both signed top of market deals with us prior to hitting FA while they were restricted. They both improved a ton after the deals and have made them good deals, but could have played hard ball with both and likely gotten the same / better deals. On the reverse, Vuc, Zach, and Pat all got deals we now hate.

Fundamentally, this is a group that is just in over their heads. They are the Jim Boylen's of GMing. They aren't good enough relative to their peers.

[Stratmaster]

Wait.

So Pwill sucks? And the coach has trouble communicating with certain players?

I've been saying that for 3+ seasons now. Someone saw this as news?

Oh, never mind. The news is that AKME is finally going to trade him. In this case, a correct but very late decision. But, generally speaking, when you have multiple players who have issues communicating with the coach, don't you fire the coach? I mean, two things can both be true.

[dougthonus]

To summarize this article in another way: There's just no organizational cure for Eddy Curry-ism.

This was more or less the exact thing I was thinking about Pat too. Maybe he just doesn't like basketball.