Retro Player of the Year 2005-06 UPDATE — Dwyane Wade

[MiamiBulls]

How is a NEGATIVE EFFICIENCY scorer getting so many votes as POY in 2006?!?

The 2006 Spurs in nearly 1200 minutes with Duncan OFF THE FLOOR still had the no. 1 ranked Defense in the NBA. So how does it make any sense to give Duncan an overwhelming amount of credit for the 2006 Spurs Defense?

Given Duncan's level of play in the Regular Season with a less than optimal roster construction, he is almost certainly a first round exit.

[iggymcfrack]

Just commenting to say comparing reading through this thread to the one almost 15 years ago is like watching idiocracy take place on realgm in real time. Back then you had one or two obvious troll player fans rigging the vote and using poor logic and reasoning, with most of the good discussion ignoring them. Now you have one or two seemingly unbiased takes and the rest player fans talking past each other. What a dumpster fire this board has become.

Wager none of you even know who elgee is but I’ll bet we never see another one of those here ever again.

I feel like in general the discourse has improved and the rankings get better and better every year, but I do feel like the board has gone overboard just a tiny bit toward contrarianism whereas 15 years ago, it was much further off, but just toward the typical less educated casual consensus.

For instance, on this vote, yeah you can use the numbers however you want to claim a microsopic individual edge for Duncan, but I mean Dirk went into San Antonio and put up 37/15/3 on .684 TS% with 0 turnovers in a Game 7 to beat Duncan head-to-head. He earned the #2 spot. I'll still give D-Wade credit for winning the title, but when the worst officiating in any Finals ever is the only thing keeping Dirk from winning it all, I think he deserves to be ahead of the guy he beat.

[therealbig3]

we are in yet ANOTHER year of the 2000s being wildly contested but now we have Dwyane wade starting to peak to replace Shaq, LeBron hitting his prime, Kobe starting his peak, its one of the best years in league history

POY

1. Kobe Bryant

didn't speak about kobe last ballot but with Shaq being traded in the previous season, the Lakers are absolutely terrible outside of kobe, and in the 2005 offseason the Lakers trade their 3rd best player Caron Butler, along with their starting PG Chucky Atkins for Kwame Brown and Laron Profit (who would be cut after playing in 25 games and never play in the NBA again), as well as signing Smush Parker (who up to that point had played 66 games as a rookie in 2003 for the Cavs, played in Greece in 2004, and played 16 games in 2005 for the Pistons and Suns totaling 144 minutes and was waived before the playoffs), giving Kobe a supporting cast of (in order of mpg) Lamar Odom, Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm (who missed 23 games), Devean George, Luke Walton, Brian Cook, and 21 y/o 2nd year Sasha Vujacic. despite this laker team being horrific, Kobe still lead the lakers to a 45-37 record (45-35 when he played) and a top 10 offense with a +2.2 rORTG (+3.1 when he played) having one of the greatest scoring seasons in NBA history, averaging 35.4 raw ppg on +2.3 rTS% despite having almost no competent offensive players on the roster and being his teams best spacer, and the Lakers somehow snuck into the PO with the 7th seed where they blew a 3-1 lead to the suns they shouldn't have had, where they lost game 6 despite Kobe having 50 points and had 38 in regulation, and 12 of the Lakers 13 points in OT. there was the whole game 7 situation but it shouldn't had even happened. I could go on and on about how good Kobe was in this season, but since the ballot was closed so early I'll stop here since I'm just doing it for the sake of it.

2. Dwyane Wade

3. Steve Nash

4. Dirk Nowitzki

5. LeBron James

HM: Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Chauncey Billups

OPOY

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Steve Nash
3. Dirk Nowitzki
HM: Dwyane Wade, LeBron James

DPOY

1. Tim Duncan
2. Ben Wallace
3. Shane Battier
HMs: Jason Kidd, Kevin Garnett

Sorry this is late

1. Kobe Bryant

Spoiler:

we are in yet ANOTHER year of the 2000s being wildly contested but now we have Dwyane wade starting to peak to replace Shaq, LeBron hitting his prime, Kobe starting his peak, its one of the best years in league history

POY

1. Kobe Bryant

didn't speak about kobe last ballot but with Shaq being traded in the previous season, the Lakers are absolutely terrible outside of kobe, and in the 2005 offseason the Lakers trade their 3rd best player Caron Butler, along with their starting PG Chucky Atkins for Kwame Brown and Laron Profit (who would be cut after playing in 25 games and never play in the NBA again), as well as signing Smush Parker (who up to that point had played 66 games as a rookie in 2003 for the Cavs, played in Greece in 2004, and played 16 games in 2005 for the Pistons and Suns totaling 144 minutes and was waived before the playoffs), giving Kobe a supporting cast of (in order of mpg) Lamar Odom, Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm (who missed 23 games), Devean George, Luke Walton, Brian Cook, and 21 y/o 2nd year Sasha Vujacic. despite this laker team being horrific, Kobe still lead the lakers to a 45-37 record (45-35 when he played) and a top 10 offense with a +2.2 rORTG (+3.1 when he played) having one of the greatest scoring seasons in NBA history, averaging 35.4 raw ppg on +2.3 rTS% despite having almost no competent offensive players on the roster and being his teams best spacer, and the Lakers somehow snuck into the PO with the 7th seed where they blew a 3-1 lead to the suns they shouldn't have had, where they lost game 6 despite Kobe having 50 points and had 38 in regulation, and 12 of the Lakers 13 points in OT. there was the whole game 7 situation but it shouldn't had even happened. I could go on and on about how good Kobe was in this season, but since the ballot was closed so early I'll stop here since I'm just doing it for the sake of it.

2. Tim Duncan

Leads the best RS team with great defense and then leads a +8 playoff team that nearly beats the finalists with a big offensive improvement.

3. Dywane Wade

Best player on champion. Phenomenal finals comeback.

4. Steve Nash

Leads another great offense, beats Kobe despite a lack of bigs

5. LeBron James

Team improves despite losing boozer. Seems like he's already an all-time playmaker. Cavs win 50, havea 56-win "full-strength" team and translate in the playoffs.

Lol this is what happens when you lose track of your usernames I guess.

[One_and_Done]

we are in yet ANOTHER year of the 2000s being wildly contested but now we have Dwyane wade starting to peak to replace Shaq, LeBron hitting his prime, Kobe starting his peak, its one of the best years in league history

POY

1. Kobe Bryant

didn't speak about kobe last ballot but with Shaq being traded in the previous season, the Lakers are absolutely terrible outside of kobe, and in the 2005 offseason the Lakers trade their 3rd best player Caron Butler, along with their starting PG Chucky Atkins for Kwame Brown and Laron Profit (who would be cut after playing in 25 games and never play in the NBA again), as well as signing Smush Parker (who up to that point had played 66 games as a rookie in 2003 for the Cavs, played in Greece in 2004, and played 16 games in 2005 for the Pistons and Suns totaling 144 minutes and was waived before the playoffs), giving Kobe a supporting cast of (in order of mpg) Lamar Odom, Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm (who missed 23 games), Devean George, Luke Walton, Brian Cook, and 21 y/o 2nd year Sasha Vujacic. despite this laker team being horrific, Kobe still lead the lakers to a 45-37 record (45-35 when he played) and a top 10 offense with a +2.2 rORTG (+3.1 when he played) having one of the greatest scoring seasons in NBA history, averaging 35.4 raw ppg on +2.3 rTS% despite having almost no competent offensive players on the roster and being his teams best spacer, and the Lakers somehow snuck into the PO with the 7th seed where they blew a 3-1 lead to the suns they shouldn't have had, where they lost game 6 despite Kobe having 50 points and had 38 in regulation, and 12 of the Lakers 13 points in OT. there was the whole game 7 situation but it shouldn't had even happened. I could go on and on about how good Kobe was in this season, but since the ballot was closed so early I'll stop here since I'm just doing it for the sake of it.

2. Dwyane Wade

3. Steve Nash

4. Dirk Nowitzki

5. LeBron James

HM: Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Chauncey Billups

OPOY

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Steve Nash
3. Dirk Nowitzki
HM: Dwyane Wade, LeBron James

DPOY

1. Tim Duncan
2. Ben Wallace
3. Shane Battier
HMs: Jason Kidd, Kevin Garnett

Sorry this is late

1. Kobe Bryant

Spoiler:

we are in yet ANOTHER year of the 2000s being wildly contested but now we have Dwyane wade starting to peak to replace Shaq, LeBron hitting his prime, Kobe starting his peak, its one of the best years in league history

POY

1. Kobe Bryant

didn't speak about kobe last ballot but with Shaq being traded in the previous season, the Lakers are absolutely terrible outside of kobe, and in the 2005 offseason the Lakers trade their 3rd best player Caron Butler, along with their starting PG Chucky Atkins for Kwame Brown and Laron Profit (who would be cut after playing in 25 games and never play in the NBA again), as well as signing Smush Parker (who up to that point had played 66 games as a rookie in 2003 for the Cavs, played in Greece in 2004, and played 16 games in 2005 for the Pistons and Suns totaling 144 minutes and was waived before the playoffs), giving Kobe a supporting cast of (in order of mpg) Lamar Odom, Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm (who missed 23 games), Devean George, Luke Walton, Brian Cook, and 21 y/o 2nd year Sasha Vujacic. despite this laker team being horrific, Kobe still lead the lakers to a 45-37 record (45-35 when he played) and a top 10 offense with a +2.2 rORTG (+3.1 when he played) having one of the greatest scoring seasons in NBA history, averaging 35.4 raw ppg on +2.3 rTS% despite having almost no competent offensive players on the roster and being his teams best spacer, and the Lakers somehow snuck into the PO with the 7th seed where they blew a 3-1 lead to the suns they shouldn't have had, where they lost game 6 despite Kobe having 50 points and had 38 in regulation, and 12 of the Lakers 13 points in OT. there was the whole game 7 situation but it shouldn't had even happened. I could go on and on about how good Kobe was in this season, but since the ballot was closed so early I'll stop here since I'm just doing it for the sake of it.

2. Tim Duncan

Leads the best RS team with great defense and then leads a +8 playoff team that nearly beats the finalists with a big offensive improvement.

3. Dywane Wade

Best player on champion. Phenomenal finals comeback.

4. Steve Nash

Leads another great offense, beats Kobe despite a lack of bigs

5. LeBron James

Team improves despite losing boozer. Seems like he's already an all-time playmaker. Cavs win 50, havea 56-win "full-strength" team and translate in the playoffs.

Lol this is what happens when you lose track of your usernames I guess.

The obvious sock accounts have really tainted this project. I'm glad the ridiculous mail in vote has been stopped, but I think both these accounts have to be kicked out of the project at this point. I say that as someone who has often voted with KD, and expects to again. Too much good faith has already been extended, but when you see solid proof of multiple accounts being used it's time to pull the plug on it.

[tsherkin]

we are in yet ANOTHER year of the 2000s being wildly contested but now we have Dwyane wade starting to peak to replace Shaq, LeBron hitting his prime, Kobe starting his peak, its one of the best years in league history

POY

1. Kobe Bryant

didn't speak about kobe last ballot but with Shaq being traded in the previous season, the Lakers are absolutely terrible outside of kobe, and in the 2005 offseason the Lakers trade their 3rd best player Caron Butler, along with their starting PG Chucky Atkins for Kwame Brown and Laron Profit (who would be cut after playing in 25 games and never play in the NBA again), as well as signing Smush Parker (who up to that point had played 66 games as a rookie in 2003 for the Cavs, played in Greece in 2004, and played 16 games in 2005 for the Pistons and Suns totaling 144 minutes and was waived before the playoffs), giving Kobe a supporting cast of (in order of mpg) Lamar Odom, Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm (who missed 23 games), Devean George, Luke Walton, Brian Cook, and 21 y/o 2nd year Sasha Vujacic. despite this laker team being horrific, Kobe still lead the lakers to a 45-37 record (45-35 when he played) and a top 10 offense with a +2.2 rORTG (+3.1 when he played) having one of the greatest scoring seasons in NBA history, averaging 35.4 raw ppg on +2.3 rTS% despite having almost no competent offensive players on the roster and being his teams best spacer, and the Lakers somehow snuck into the PO with the 7th seed where they blew a 3-1 lead to the suns they shouldn't have had, where they lost game 6 despite Kobe having 50 points and had 38 in regulation, and 12 of the Lakers 13 points in OT. there was the whole game 7 situation but it shouldn't had even happened. I could go on and on about how good Kobe was in this season, but since the ballot was closed so early I'll stop here since I'm just doing it for the sake of it.

2. Dwyane Wade

3. Steve Nash

4. Dirk Nowitzki

5. LeBron James

HM: Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Chauncey Billups

OPOY

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Steve Nash
3. Dirk Nowitzki
HM: Dwyane Wade, LeBron James

DPOY

1. Tim Duncan
2. Ben Wallace
3. Shane Battier
HMs: Jason Kidd, Kevin Garnett

Sorry this is late

1. Kobe Bryant

Spoiler:

we are in yet ANOTHER year of the 2000s being wildly contested but now we have Dwyane wade starting to peak to replace Shaq, LeBron hitting his prime, Kobe starting his peak, its one of the best years in league history

POY

1. Kobe Bryant

didn't speak about kobe last ballot but with Shaq being traded in the previous season, the Lakers are absolutely terrible outside of kobe, and in the 2005 offseason the Lakers trade their 3rd best player Caron Butler, along with their starting PG Chucky Atkins for Kwame Brown and Laron Profit (who would be cut after playing in 25 games and never play in the NBA again), as well as signing Smush Parker (who up to that point had played 66 games as a rookie in 2003 for the Cavs, played in Greece in 2004, and played 16 games in 2005 for the Pistons and Suns totaling 144 minutes and was waived before the playoffs), giving Kobe a supporting cast of (in order of mpg) Lamar Odom, Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm (who missed 23 games), Devean George, Luke Walton, Brian Cook, and 21 y/o 2nd year Sasha Vujacic. despite this laker team being horrific, Kobe still lead the lakers to a 45-37 record (45-35 when he played) and a top 10 offense with a +2.2 rORTG (+3.1 when he played) having one of the greatest scoring seasons in NBA history, averaging 35.4 raw ppg on +2.3 rTS% despite having almost no competent offensive players on the roster and being his teams best spacer, and the Lakers somehow snuck into the PO with the 7th seed where they blew a 3-1 lead to the suns they shouldn't have had, where they lost game 6 despite Kobe having 50 points and had 38 in regulation, and 12 of the Lakers 13 points in OT. there was the whole game 7 situation but it shouldn't had even happened. I could go on and on about how good Kobe was in this season, but since the ballot was closed so early I'll stop here since I'm just doing it for the sake of it.

2. Tim Duncan

Leads the best RS team with great defense and then leads a +8 playoff team that nearly beats the finalists with a big offensive improvement.

3. Dywane Wade

Best player on champion. Phenomenal finals comeback.

4. Steve Nash

Leads another great offense, beats Kobe despite a lack of bigs

5. LeBron James

Team improves despite losing boozer. Seems like he's already an all-time playmaker. Cavs win 50, havea 56-win "full-strength" team and translate in the playoffs.

Lol this is what happens when you lose track of your usernames I guess.

ceo and ohayo are very much different people.

[therealbig3]

I mean it makes no difference to me personally, I’m not voting in this project, I am reading along a bit to see the discussion, and the fact that their reasoning for Kobe is exactly the same, word for word, either indicates it’s the same person or that it’s just a copy paste of someone else’s reasoning, which is just weird. We quote other posters to supplement a point we’re making all the time, but you know, we actually quote them, not just copy paste and pass it off as our own reasoning lol.

I mean that can be handled however people want, but just pointing out the obvious strangeness.

[tsherkin]

I mean it makes no difference to me personally, I’m not voting in this project, I am reading along a bit to see the discussion, and the fact that their reasoning for Kobe is exactly the same, word for word, either indicates it’s the same person or that it’s just a copy paste of someone else’s reasoning, which is just weird. We quote other posters to supplement a point we’re making all the time, but you know, we actually quote them, not just copy paste and pass it off as our own reasoning lol.

I mean that can be handled however people want, but just pointing out the obvious strangeness.

I know both of them off of RealGM. They are different people.

[ceoofkobefans]

we are in yet ANOTHER year of the 2000s being wildly contested but now we have Dwyane wade starting to peak to replace Shaq, LeBron hitting his prime, Kobe starting his peak, its one of the best years in league history

POY

1. Kobe Bryant

didn't speak about kobe last ballot but with Shaq being traded in the previous season, the Lakers are absolutely terrible outside of kobe, and in the 2005 offseason the Lakers trade their 3rd best player Caron Butler, along with their starting PG Chucky Atkins for Kwame Brown and Laron Profit (who would be cut after playing in 25 games and never play in the NBA again), as well as signing Smush Parker (who up to that point had played 66 games as a rookie in 2003 for the Cavs, played in Greece in 2004, and played 16 games in 2005 for the Pistons and Suns totaling 144 minutes and was waived before the playoffs), giving Kobe a supporting cast of (in order of mpg) Lamar Odom, Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm (who missed 23 games), Devean George, Luke Walton, Brian Cook, and 21 y/o 2nd year Sasha Vujacic. despite this laker team being horrific, Kobe still lead the lakers to a 45-37 record (45-35 when he played) and a top 10 offense with a +2.2 rORTG (+3.1 when he played) having one of the greatest scoring seasons in NBA history, averaging 35.4 raw ppg on +2.3 rTS% despite having almost no competent offensive players on the roster and being his teams best spacer, and the Lakers somehow snuck into the PO with the 7th seed where they blew a 3-1 lead to the suns they shouldn't have had, where they lost game 6 despite Kobe having 50 points and had 38 in regulation, and 12 of the Lakers 13 points in OT. there was the whole game 7 situation but it shouldn't had even happened. I could go on and on about how good Kobe was in this season, but since the ballot was closed so early I'll stop here since I'm just doing it for the sake of it.

2. Dwyane Wade

3. Steve Nash

4. Dirk Nowitzki

5. LeBron James

HM: Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Chauncey Billups

OPOY

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Steve Nash
3. Dirk Nowitzki
HM: Dwyane Wade, LeBron James

DPOY

1. Tim Duncan
2. Ben Wallace
3. Shane Battier
HMs: Jason Kidd, Kevin Garnett

Sorry this is late

1. Kobe Bryant

Spoiler:

we are in yet ANOTHER year of the 2000s being wildly contested but now we have Dwyane wade starting to peak to replace Shaq, LeBron hitting his prime, Kobe starting his peak, its one of the best years in league history

POY

1. Kobe Bryant

didn't speak about kobe last ballot but with Shaq being traded in the previous season, the Lakers are absolutely terrible outside of kobe, and in the 2005 offseason the Lakers trade their 3rd best player Caron Butler, along with their starting PG Chucky Atkins for Kwame Brown and Laron Profit (who would be cut after playing in 25 games and never play in the NBA again), as well as signing Smush Parker (who up to that point had played 66 games as a rookie in 2003 for the Cavs, played in Greece in 2004, and played 16 games in 2005 for the Pistons and Suns totaling 144 minutes and was waived before the playoffs), giving Kobe a supporting cast of (in order of mpg) Lamar Odom, Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm (who missed 23 games), Devean George, Luke Walton, Brian Cook, and 21 y/o 2nd year Sasha Vujacic. despite this laker team being horrific, Kobe still lead the lakers to a 45-37 record (45-35 when he played) and a top 10 offense with a +2.2 rORTG (+3.1 when he played) having one of the greatest scoring seasons in NBA history, averaging 35.4 raw ppg on +2.3 rTS% despite having almost no competent offensive players on the roster and being his teams best spacer, and the Lakers somehow snuck into the PO with the 7th seed where they blew a 3-1 lead to the suns they shouldn't have had, where they lost game 6 despite Kobe having 50 points and had 38 in regulation, and 12 of the Lakers 13 points in OT. there was the whole game 7 situation but it shouldn't had even happened. I could go on and on about how good Kobe was in this season, but since the ballot was closed so early I'll stop here since I'm just doing it for the sake of it.

2. Tim Duncan

Leads the best RS team with great defense and then leads a +8 playoff team that nearly beats the finalists with a big offensive improvement.

3. Dywane Wade

Best player on champion. Phenomenal finals comeback.

4. Steve Nash

Leads another great offense, beats Kobe despite a lack of bigs

5. LeBron James

Team improves despite losing boozer. Seems like he's already an all-time playmaker. Cavs win 50, havea 56-win "full-strength" team and translate in the playoffs.

Lol this is what happens when you lose track of your usernames I guess.

The obvious sock accounts have really tainted this project. I'm glad the ridiculous mail in vote has been stopped, but I think both these accounts have to be kicked out of the project at this point. I say that as someone who has often voted with KD, and expects to again. Too much good faith has already been extended, but when you see solid proof of multiple accounts being used it's time to pull the plug on it.

are you actually trying to imply that I am an OhayoKD Burner account

[OhayoKD]

I mean it makes no difference to me personally, I’m not voting in this project, I am reading along a bit to see the discussion, and the fact that their reasoning for Kobe is exactly the same, word for word, either indicates it’s the same person or that it’s just a copy paste of someone else’s reasoning, which is just weird. We quote other posters to supplement a point we’re making all the time, but you know, we actually quote them, not just copy paste and pass it off as our own reasoning lol.

I mean that can be handled however people want, but just pointing out the obvious strangeness.

They have now been quoted in light of your very real and legitimate concern that I was passing off a quote from a post right above mine as my own because I forgot the quote tag.

[jiffzzz]

LeBron was the best in 06 lowkey