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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#741 » by panthermark » Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:21 am

cocktailswith_2short wrote:Caleb is still not a mistake you guys chill . He will get his chance .


He may or may not be a mistake.

But what he isn't, is a (presumptive) Rookie of the Year, Pro-Bowler QB that has led his team the the play-offs and actually won a play-off game...in JD's case, 2 play-offs games in his rookie year.

CW may be just fine, time will tell. But other rookie QB's have proven it on the field.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#742 » by patryk7754 » Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:27 am

The commanders are having the season the bears were supposed to have and if they go to the Super Bowl I’m going to have a meltdown
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#743 » by patryk7754 » Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:32 am

panthermark wrote:
imagge wrote:Crazy if Kliff was hired we could be watching the bears now but Flus would still have his job :D


You know what is even crazier?
This org picked Flus over Dan Quinn (who was one of three finalist)
This org picked Waldron of KK
This org picked Williams over JD
Last year this org traded a 2nd to Washington for a DE just to pay him, while it is Washington that turned it around and is going deep into the play-offs.

And to top it off, they end our season in week six or whenever it was.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#744 » by fleet » Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:32 am

patryk7754 wrote:The commanders are having the season the bears were supposed to have and if they go to the Super Bowl I’m going to have a meltdown

The game went perfectly. The Lions scored points. Washington scored more to make Ben Johnson available immediately. And Ryan Poles had his face shoved into the poo poo mess he made.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#745 » by cocktailswith_2short » Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:34 am

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cocktailswith_2short wrote:Caleb is still not a mistake you guys chill . He will get his chance .


He may or may not be a mistake.

But what he isn't, is a (presumptive) Rookie of the Year, Pro-Bowler QB that has led his team the the play-offs and actually won a play-off game...in JD's case, 2 play-offs games in his rookie year.

CW may be just fine, time will tell. But other rookie QB's have proven it on the field.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#746 » by Betta Bulleavit » Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:37 am

patryk7754 wrote:The commanders are having the season the bears were supposed to have and if they go to the Super Bowl I’m going to have a meltdown

If the Commanders go to the SB, it’d be great for them but would represent an extreme anomaly. As fans, we have to understand that as much as it sucks, being great is probably based more on luck than we care to realize.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#747 » by Betta Bulleavit » Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:40 am

cocktailswith_2short wrote:
panthermark wrote:
cocktailswith_2short wrote:Caleb is still not a mistake you guys chill . He will get his chance .


He may or may not be a mistake.

But what he isn't, is a (presumptive) Rookie of the Year, Pro-Bowler QB that has led his team the the play-offs and actually won a play-off game...in JD's case, 2 play-offs games in his rookie year.

CW may be just fine, time will tell. But other rookie QB's have proven it on the field.
rookie of the year and probowl have less value than toilet paper to me it's meaningless .

Well, I don’t think it’s fair to discount what Daniels has done. He’s earned what he’s earned and deserves a ton on respect. With that said, the season that Daniels (and Nix) had has no bearing on the career that Williams will have. Great or poor.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#748 » by panthermark » Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:40 am

patryk7754 wrote:The commanders are having the season the bears were supposed to have and if they go to the Super Bowl I’m going to have a meltdown

What a difference a year makes.
A year and a half ago, the 0-4 Bears used the 2-2 Commanders to springboard their offense. Fields and DJ absolutely destroyed them. Bears finished 7-6 after that 0-4 start and were on top of the world. Commanders went 2-11 after a 2-2 start, including an 8 game losing streak that extended to 9 games at the start of the 2024 season.

A year from that game later, in an ugly slug fest, the Bears manage to lose in the dumbest of ways, and the season spirals out of control from that point...losing 10 straight. Both teams were 4-2 when they met.

This is why so many fans constantly question the decisions the Bears make.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#749 » by fleet » Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:42 am

This was 100% worse than the hit on Mahomes that was called for a penalty

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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#750 » by panthermark » Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:46 am

cocktailswith_2short wrote:
panthermark wrote:
cocktailswith_2short wrote:Caleb is still not a mistake you guys chill . He will get his chance .


He may or may not be a mistake.

But what he isn't, is a (presumptive) Rookie of the Year, Pro-Bowler QB that has led his team the the play-offs and actually won a play-off game...in JD's case, 2 play-offs games in his rookie year.

CW may be just fine, time will tell. But other rookie QB's have proven it on the field.
rookie of the year and probowl have less value than toilet paper to me it's meaningless .

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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#751 » by fleet » Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:57 am

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patryk7754 wrote:The commanders are having the season the bears were supposed to have and if they go to the Super Bowl I’m going to have a meltdown

If the Commanders go to the SB, it’d be great for them but would represent an extreme anomaly. As fans, we have to understand that as much as it sucks, being great is probably based more on luck than we care to realize.

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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#752 » by Charlesareed » Sun Jan 19, 2025 5:00 am

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Charlesareed wrote:Smh so much for the NFC North being the best division in football currently they are 0-3 in the playoffs with 2 teams winning 15 & 14 games respectively good grief

To be fair to the lions, their defense is basically a practice squad right now



Yes that’s true but the offense was putting up 30 points per game while the defense was still respectable
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#753 » by Charlesareed » Sun Jan 19, 2025 5:12 am

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patryk7754 wrote:The commanders are having the season the bears were supposed to have and if they go to the Super Bowl I’m going to have a meltdown

What a difference a year makes.
A year and a half ago, the 0-4 Bears used the 2-2 Commanders to springboard their offense. Fields and DJ absolutely destroyed them. Bears finished 7-6 after that 0-4 start and were on top of the world. Commanders went 2-11 after a 2-2 start, including an 8 game losing streak that extended to 9 games at the start of the 2024 season.

A year from that game later, in an ugly slug fest, the Bears manage to lose in the dumbest of ways, and the season spirals out of control from that point...losing 10 straight. Both teams were 4-2 when they met.

This is why so many fans constantly question the decisions the Bears make.



Good point now let’s hope poles hire the right man for the job and he brings in the right coaching staff
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#754 » by panthermark » Sun Jan 19, 2025 5:24 am

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patryk7754 wrote:The commanders are having the season the bears were supposed to have and if they go to the Super Bowl I’m going to have a meltdown

If the Commanders go to the SB, it’d be great for them but would represent an extreme anomaly. As fans, we have to understand that as much as it sucks, being great is probably based more on luck than we care to realize.

There is a luck component to it, but I don't want to hear about luck anymore. The Bears have had their share.

In 2022, the Texans went 3-13-1 and GAVE US the #1 pick on 4th down on the final play of the game in the last game of the year.
In 2023, The Texans got a new coach, a new OC, took the #2 QB who ended up being ROY and going to the Pro-Bowl. The 3-13-1 Texans went 10-7 with that rookie QB and new coaching staff, and even won a play-off game.

All that stuff seems like a total one-off...except.... (copy and paste time).

In 2022 2023, the Texans Commanders went 3-13-1 4-13 and GAVE US we had the #1 pick on 4th down on the final play of the game in the last game of the year.
In 2023 2024, The Texans Commanders got a new coach, a new OC, took the #2 QB who ended up being ROY (presumptive) and going to the Pro-Bowl. The 3-13-1 Texans 4-13 Commanders went 10-7 11-6 with that rookie QB and new coaching staff, and even won a two play-off games.

There is an old saying that goes: Luck is when opportunity meets preparation.
I personally like the alternative saying better: Opportunity is when luck meets preparation.

Regardless of which saying used, we have now watched back to back teams take advantage of their luck (or opportunity) and turn it into very successful seasons that have altered the trajectory of their franchise. We took a 7-10 team that also had the #1 pick to go with the #9 pick and turned it into a 5-12 team with the most sacked QB in Bears history and tied for 3rd on the NFL single season most sacked record. The freaking Commanders are going to the NFC Championship game. We turned down their HC, their OC, and didn't even bother to speak to their QB. Our misfortune isn't because we were not lucky enough.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#755 » by biggestbullsfan » Sun Jan 19, 2025 5:29 am

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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#756 » by Betta Bulleavit » Sun Jan 19, 2025 5:49 am

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patryk7754 wrote:The commanders are having the season the bears were supposed to have and if they go to the Super Bowl I’m going to have a meltdown

If the Commanders go to the SB, it’d be great for them but would represent an extreme anomaly. As fans, we have to understand that as much as it sucks, being great is probably based more on luck than we care to realize.

There is a luck component to it, but I don't want to hear about luck anymore. The Bears have had their share.

In 2022, the Texans went 3-13-1 and GAVE US the #1 pick on 4th down on the final play of the game in the last game of the year.
In 2023, The Texans got a new coach, a new OC, took the #2 QB who ended up being ROY and going to the Pro-Bowl. The 3-13-1 Texans went 10-7 with that rookie QB and new coaching staff, and even won a play-off game.

All that stuff seems like a total one-off...except.... (copy and paste time).

In 2022 2023, the Texans Commanders went 3-13-1 4-13 and GAVE US we had the #1 pick on 4th down on the final play of the game in the last game of the year.
In 2023 2024, The Texans Commanders got a new coach, a new OC, took the #2 QB who ended up being ROY (presumptive) and going to the Pro-Bowl. The 3-13-1 Texans 4-13 Commanders went 10-7 11-6 with that rookie QB and new coaching staff, and even won a two play-off games.

There is an old saying that goes: Luck is when opportunity meets preparation.
I personally like the alternative saying better: Opportunity is when luck meets preparation.

Regardless of which saying used, we have now watched back to back teams take advantage of their luck (or opportunity) and turn it into very successful seasons that have altered the trajectory of their franchise. We took a 7-10 team that also had the #1 pick to go with the #9 pick and turned it into a 5-12 team with the most sacked QB in Bears history and tied for 3rd on the NFL single season most sacked record. The freaking Commanders are going to the NFC Championship game. We turned down their HC, their OC, and didn't even bother to speak to their QB. Our misfortune isn't because we were not lucky enough.

I completely understand everything they you’re saying and I don’t necessarily disagree. The fact of the matter is that consistent poor decisions have been a staple of this organization for many years now. And it’s created a stigma that isn’t going won’t be easily shaken until we show notable improvements in the W/L column.

My thing is, I don’t believe that we’re as far off as our record indicates. Sure, I know many people would beg to differ and that’s fine. But the most critical of errors that this organization made was miscalculating the negative impact of retaining Eberflus last season. It wasn’t not talking to Daniels. They weren’t drafting him at 1 nor was any other team. In fact, if the Commanders had the number one pick, even they would have drafted Caleb. So I’m not worried about who we drafted, especially once you consider that Caleb (individually) did not have a “bad” season.

The bottom line is (and I risk sounding like a broken record here) is that Poles just needs to worry about making the decisions that he believes in and not worry about what the fans or the media thinks he should be doing. I believe that getting this coaching hire right is the one step that will for the longest way towards changing the general narrative of this team.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#757 » by Jeffster81 » Sun Jan 19, 2025 10:53 am

panthermark wrote:
cocktailswith_2short wrote:Caleb is still not a mistake you guys chill . He will get his chance .


He may or may not be a mistake.

But what he isn't, is a (presumptive) Rookie of the Year, Pro-Bowler QB that has led his team the the play-offs and actually won a play-off game...in JD's case, 2 play-offs games in his rookie year.

CW may be just fine, time will tell. But other rookie QB's have proven it on the field.


To be fair guys like Daniels don't have incompetent coaches and USFL level Ol play.

Whose to say that this might be the best Daniels plays in his career?

I'm glad Daniels is playing pretty well for Commanders but do want too what Caleb can do with a coach who knows what he is doing.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#758 » by Almost Retired » Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:45 pm

fleet wrote:Detroit defense in shambles


They lost Aidan Hutchinson. Their 3 top cornerbacks. Their safeties. They are playing their 3rd sting in many positions. It's remarkable that they even made the Playoffs.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#759 » by Jcool0 » Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:49 pm

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patryk7754 wrote:The commanders are having the season the bears were supposed to have and if they go to the Super Bowl I’m going to have a meltdown

If the Commanders go to the SB, it’d be great for them but would represent an extreme anomaly. As fans, we have to understand that as much as it sucks, being great is probably based more on luck than we care to realize.


Kingsbury was going to take the Raiders OC job before they low balled him allowing Washington to come in and sign him.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#760 » by _txchilibowl_ » Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:58 pm

cocktailswith_2short wrote:There's no way seeing Daniels play this well doesn't sting . He's so small and tiny though he won't last .



He's 3 inches taller and 4 lbs lighter than Caleb. Also, you would expect JD to fill out as his career progresses. If Jayden has size concerns so does Caleb.

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