BKN - MIN - SAC (Version 2)

[bpcox05]

***** I believe this trade will have to be done as two separate trades since MIN can’t aggregate salaries, but it should be legal based on how you organize the contracts being sent out in each deal. For the sake of simplicity, I’m just going to combine them in this thread. Open to any cap/CBA experts to chime in and let me know if this framework isn’t in fact legal in 2 separate trades *****

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BKN Gets: Kevin Huerter, Mike Conley, Future SAC 1st (Top 4 Protected - Conveys 2 Years After Pick to ATL), & 2025 UTA 2nd
BKN Gives: Cam Johnson, Day’Ron Sharpe, & Trendon Watford
Why for BKN? The Nets cash in on their win now vet and pickup a very lightly protected 1st round pick and an early 2nd to help with their rebuild

PG - Conley / Russell / Melton
SG - Thomas / Johnson / Lewis
SF - Williams / Huerter / Whitehead
PF - Simmons / Wilson / Bogdanovic
C - Claxton / Clowney

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MIN Gets: Cam Johnson, Devin Carter, & Trendon Watford
MIN Gives: Jaden McDaniels & Mike Conley
Why for MIN? A trio of McDaniels, Randle, & Gobert is not a very good shooting frontcourt. It would really make things easier on Edwards if they could add another sniper on the floor with him. This trade does just that. Losing McDaniels defense is not ideal, but it’s not like Johnson is a liability on defense and they add a potentially elite POA defender in Carter who I think projects as a very good complement to Edwards long term. In fact, I really like the idea of a long term guard core of Edwards, Carter, Dillingham, & Shannon, and considering Carter, Dillingham, & Shannon are on rookie deals for the next 3.5 years, it might make it easier for MIN to manage their cap situation.

PG - Carter / Dillingham
SG - Edwards / DiVincenzo / Shannon
SF - Johnson / NAW / Ingles
PF - Randle / Minott / Watford / Miller
C - Gobert / Reid / Garza

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SAC Gets: Jaden McDaniels & Day’Ron Sharpe
SAC Gives: Kevin Huerter, Devin Carter, & Future SAC 1st (Top 4 Protected - Conveys 2 Years After Pick to ATL)
Why for Kings? The Kings get some much needed help in the frontcourt and address one of their biggest weaknesses (a big, long, athletic forward who can defend, help protect the rim, and space the floor). McDaniels hasn't been shooting particularly well this year, but they’d be betting long term that he can space the floor at a decent clip to keep the paint clear for Fox, DeRozan, and Sabonis. Also, with Fox, Ellis, Murray, and McDaniels getting a lot of the minutes in the rotation, I think the Kings have a good shot at being a top 10 defensive team. Lastly, I could potentially see Monk & DeRozan being moved to the bench maybe next season allowing them to start 3 excellent defenders between Fox and Sabonis (Ellis, Murray, and McDaniels), but it would be ideal for at least one of those guys developing enough to be a solid secondary scorer/playmaker to help keep the offense flowing.

PG - Fox / Monk / McLaughlin
SG - Ellis / Jones
SF - DeRozan / McDaniels / McDermott
PF - Murray / Lyles / Crowder
C - Sabonis / Sharpe / Len

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[shrink]

I heard from my inside source that during his extension negotiations, Mike Conley’s biggest goal was that he didn’t have to move his family again. It’s not CBA official, but Tim Connelly told Mike that if he signed, he wouldn’t trade him without his permission.

From the outside, it makes a lot of sense to use him in trades. While he’s been the leader of the team since he arrived, his decline this year and move to the bench (plus the loss of SloMo and Towns), probably means Ant is the leader. With MIN over both aprons, and unable to aggregate, Mike’s salary would be a useful trade piece. But I would imagine Connelly isn’t going to betray Conley.

[bpcox05]

I feel like we already had this trade discussion of Cam and Jaden. Jaden is younger, taller, longer, a much better defender, best friends with Ant, and flashing signs of getting his offense together. Cam is a good shooter and not much else. Worse, his shooting this season doesn’t feel sustainable. We have seen plenty of examples of guys shoot great for a year and then return to the mean. The Wolves have no interest in turning a blue chip McDaniels into another shooting wing.

P.S, if Dillingham is the future of Minnesota guard play then Jaden is even more vital. Dilly will be a hopeless liability on defense, and you cannot lack POA defense in your starting 5. Ant can do it but prefers to save his energy. There is no way we can start Dilly and Cam together next year.

Perhaps it makes more sense to route both Johnson & Carter to MIN then and have MIN send a less valuable incentive to BKN (since it seems like BKN is making out too well in this deal). Carter can be that POA defender of the future for MIN and Johnson gives you that much needed sniper.

Let’s try it this way

Dillingham/Ant/MCD/Naz/Rudy 25/26 starting lineup.

Where is the POA defense? The answer is MCD.

Trading for Carter who is 6’2, 195lbs, makes it what
Dillingham/Carter/Ant/Naz/Rudy.

Now we have two players under 6’3, we force Ant out of his desired position, and we are playing small ball. We already have Donte for a sniper. Ant is on pace to being the best 3 point shooter in the NBA. We can sign a movement shooter in free agency or find one that doesn’t cost our best defender. Cam Johnson is not close to being worth Jaden because Jaden is developing into a solid two way player. Cam is a one way player who is done developing. He is in his prime. This is the peak, and in 2-3 years he will start his decent to the valley.

P.S, I am unfamiliar with Carter’s game. If the Kings wanted NAW and the Wolves wanted a backup PG of the future with POA defense this might be something to look at. Kings getting better now and the Wolves having another young body to develop. But, from what little reading I did on Carter, he seems like Jaylen Clark 2.0. A offensively challenged defensive guard who isn’t great at creating for others. I think it is possible the help now return might be closer to Minott or Miller rather than NAW. Obviously the Wolves FO would know WAY more than me in making that assessment.

Replying to your comment in this new thread since it's relevant to the new proposal now...

Devin Carter is 6'2.25" without shoes so he's probably between 6'3" and 6'3.5" with shoes on, but he also has a very impressive wingspan for his height (6'8.75") and has good strength (193 lbs). His athletic measurements are also extremely good...

Lane Agility = #3 at the 2024 combine
Shuttle Run = #11 at the 2024 combine
3/4 Sprint = #1 at the 2024 combine
Standing Vertical = #1 at the 2024 combine
Max Vertical = #1 at the 2024 combine

He has more than enough size, strength, length, & athleticism to guard both the 1 and the 2 (and I think he'll be able to somewhat survive when switching onto 3s. And I'd just recommend to go watch his defensive tape from college last year. He's not only great as a POA defender, but he's great as an off ball defender as well.

Looking at the Wolves roster construction, I think the idea would be to start Carter, Edwards, Johnson, Reid, and Gobert and have Dillingham as your 6th man scorer off the bench (similar to how SAC was using Monk).

[drchaos]

Brooklyn is getting ripped off here.

They aren't getting enough for Cam J and for some reason they are also giving away Sharpe and Watford.

[winforlose]

I posted this in the other thread, but since you started over, here it is again.

Let’s try it this way

Dillingham/Ant/MCD/Naz/Rudy 25/26 starting lineup.

Where is the POA defense? The answer is MCD.

Trading for Carter who is 6’2, 195lbs, makes it what
Dillingham/Carter/Ant/Naz/Rudy.

Dillingham is already complaining about not playing enough. He wants to start and be developed as the 8th overall pick. We sunk an unprotected first and a top 1 protected swap into him. He is not getting pushed to 6th man. Plus we have DDV and he is going to be that 6th man sniper when Dilly is ready to be THE PG, instead of the PGOF. Worse playing Carter and Dilly together gives us two guards under 6’. It forces Ant out of his desired position, and we are playing small ball. We already have Donte for a sniper. Ant is on pace to being the best 3 point shooter in the NBA. We can sign a movement shooter in free agency or find one that doesn’t cost our best defender. Cam Johnson is not close to being worth Jaden because Jaden is developing into a solid two way player. Cam is a one way player who is done developing. He is in his prime. This is the peak, and in 2-3 years he will start his decent to the valley.

P.S, I am unfamiliar with Carter’s game. If the Kings wanted NAW and the Wolves wanted a backup PG of the future with POA defense this might be something to look at. Kings getting better now and the Wolves having another young body to develop. But, from what little reading I did on Carter, he seems like Jaylen Clark 2.0. A offensively challenged defensive guard who isn’t great at creating for others. I think it is possible the help now return might be closer to Minott or Miller rather than NAW. Obviously the Wolves FO would know WAY more than me in making that assessment.

P.P.S. Day’Ron Sharpe is someone the Wolves are interested in. Not to the tune of Jaden, but maybe with both rookies coming here you start to force the Wolves to ask tough questions. Without that it is an easy no.

[bpcox05]

I posted this in the other thread, but since you started over, here it is again.

Let’s try it this way

Dillingham/Ant/MCD/Naz/Rudy 25/26 starting lineup.

Where is the POA defense? The answer is MCD.

Trading for Carter who is 6’2, 195lbs, makes it what
Dillingham/Carter/Ant/Naz/Rudy.

Now we have two players under 6’3, we force Ant out of his desired position, and we are playing small ball. We already have Donte for a sniper. Ant is on pace to being the best 3 point shooter in the NBA. We can sign a movement shooter in free agency or find one that doesn’t cost our best defender. Cam Johnson is not close to being worth Jaden because Jaden is developing into a solid two way player. Cam is a one way player who is done developing. He is in his prime. This is the peak, and in 2-3 years he will start his decent to the valley.

P.S, I am unfamiliar with Carter’s game. If the Kings wanted NAW and the Wolves wanted a backup PG of the future with POA defense this might be something to look at. Kings getting better now and the Wolves having another young body to develop. But, from what little reading I did on Carter, he seems like Jaylen Clark 2.0. A offensively challenged defensive guard who isn’t great at creating for others. I think it is possible the help now return might be closer to Minott or Miller rather than NAW. Obviously the Wolves FO would know WAY more than me in making that assessment.

P.P.S. Day’Ron Sharpe is someone the Wolves are interested in. Not to the tune of Jaden, but maybe with both rookies coming here you start to force the Wolves to ask tough questions. Without that it is an easy no.

I replied to you above in case you missed it.

[winforlose]

I posted this in the other thread, but since you started over, here it is again.

Let’s try it this way

Dillingham/Ant/MCD/Naz/Rudy 25/26 starting lineup.

Where is the POA defense? The answer is MCD.

Trading for Carter who is 6’2, 195lbs, makes it what
Dillingham/Carter/Ant/Naz/Rudy.

Now we have two players under 6’3, we force Ant out of his desired position, and we are playing small ball. We already have Donte for a sniper. Ant is on pace to being the best 3 point shooter in the NBA. We can sign a movement shooter in free agency or find one that doesn’t cost our best defender. Cam Johnson is not close to being worth Jaden because Jaden is developing into a solid two way player. Cam is a one way player who is done developing. He is in his prime. This is the peak, and in 2-3 years he will start his decent to the valley.

P.S, I am unfamiliar with Carter’s game. If the Kings wanted NAW and the Wolves wanted a backup PG of the future with POA defense this might be something to look at. Kings getting better now and the Wolves having another young body to develop. But, from what little reading I did on Carter, he seems like Jaylen Clark 2.0. A offensively challenged defensive guard who isn’t great at creating for others. I think it is possible the help now return might be closer to Minott or Miller rather than NAW. Obviously the Wolves FO would know WAY more than me in making that assessment.

P.P.S. Day’Ron Sharpe is someone the Wolves are interested in. Not to the tune of Jaden, but maybe with both rookies coming here you start to force the Wolves to ask tough questions. Without that it is an easy no.

I already replied to you above already in case you missed it.

I did miss it but edited it. Cliff notes, Dilly wants more minutes now, and we invested too much in him for him to be the 6th man. We have Clark who can do what Carter can do without giving up McDaniels. We hate small ball and we prefer tall and lanky defenders. The only way to get us to even entertain a Cam J for Jaden trade is with Sharp coming to us, and even then I doubt it.

[bpcox05]

I posted this in the other thread, but since you started over, here it is again.

Let’s try it this way

Dillingham/Ant/MCD/Naz/Rudy 25/26 starting lineup.

Where is the POA defense? The answer is MCD.

Trading for Carter who is 6’2, 195lbs, makes it what
Dillingham/Carter/Ant/Naz/Rudy.

Now we have two players under 6’3, we force Ant out of his desired position, and we are playing small ball. We already have Donte for a sniper. Ant is on pace to being the best 3 point shooter in the NBA. We can sign a movement shooter in free agency or find one that doesn’t cost our best defender. Cam Johnson is not close to being worth Jaden because Jaden is developing into a solid two way player. Cam is a one way player who is done developing. He is in his prime. This is the peak, and in 2-3 years he will start his decent to the valley.

P.S, I am unfamiliar with Carter’s game. If the Kings wanted NAW and the Wolves wanted a backup PG of the future with POA defense this might be something to look at. Kings getting better now and the Wolves having another young body to develop. But, from what little reading I did on Carter, he seems like Jaylen Clark 2.0. A offensively challenged defensive guard who isn’t great at creating for others. I think it is possible the help now return might be closer to Minott or Miller rather than NAW. Obviously the Wolves FO would know WAY more than me in making that assessment.

P.P.S. Day’Ron Sharpe is someone the Wolves are interested in. Not to the tune of Jaden, but maybe with both rookies coming here you start to force the Wolves to ask tough questions. Without that it is an easy no.

I already replied to you above already in case you missed it.

I did miss it but edited it. Cliff notes, Dilly wants more minutes now, and we invested too much in him for him to be the 6th man. We have Clark who can do what Carter can do without giving up McDaniels. We hate small ball and we prefer tall and lanky defenders. The only way to get us to even entertain a Cam J for Jaden trade is with Sharp coming to us, and even then I doubt it.

I mean I don’t think Sharpe holds that much value. He’s a RFA this offseason and a backup C. It’s not a deal breaker from my perspective to reroute him to MIN (I was questioning if he even was an upgrade over Len to be honest).

As for Jaylen Clark, I don’t know how you have arrived at the conclusion that Clark can do what Carter can do. Clark was almost undrafted a couple years ago and has played 6 total minutes since being drafted in 2023. Carter just went #13 in this past draft and could have very well been drafted ahead of Dillingham if it wasn’t for his shoulder injury that required him to get surgery this past offseason.

[bpcox05]

Brooklyn is getting ripped off here.

They aren't getting enough for Cam J and for some reason they are also giving away Sharpe and Watford.

I don’t think Sharpe or Watford have much value at all so feel free to swap them out with other guys you’d prefer to send out.

As for the value coming back, a very lightly protected 1st and a very early 2nd seems like a solid return for Johnson.

[winforlose]

I already replied to you above already in case you missed it.

I did miss it but edited it. Cliff notes, Dilly wants more minutes now, and we invested too much in him for him to be the 6th man. We have Clark who can do what Carter can do without giving up McDaniels. We hate small ball and we prefer tall and lanky defenders. The only way to get us to even entertain a Cam J for Jaden trade is with Sharp coming to us, and even then I doubt it.

I mean I don’t think Sharpe holds that much value. He’s a RFA this offseason and a backup C. It’s not a deal breaker from my perspective to reroute him to MIN (I was questioning if he even was an upgrade over Len to be honest).

As for Jaylen Clark, I don’t know how you have arrived at the conclusion that Clark can do what Carter can do. Clark was almost undrafted a couple years ago and has played 6 total minutes since being drafted in 2023. Carter just went #13 in this past draft and could have very well been drafted ahead of Dillingham if it wasn’t for his shoulder injury that required him to get surgery this past offseason.

Clark had a torn ACL or Achilles and missed all of last year. This year his 3 point shooting in the G is improving, his defense in the G has been solid, and he is 6’5 with a wingspan of 6’9. Maybe explain why Carter is better? From what I read in a few prospective draft boards his only real tool is attacking off the dribble, and he is struggles to dish out off those attacks.

[bpcox05]

I did miss it but edited it. Cliff notes, Dilly wants more minutes now, and we invested too much in him for him to be the 6th man. We have Clark who can do what Carter can do without giving up McDaniels. We hate small ball and we prefer tall and lanky defenders. The only way to get us to even entertain a Cam J for Jaden trade is with Sharp coming to us, and even then I doubt it.

I mean I don’t think Sharpe holds that much value. He’s a RFA this offseason and a backup C. It’s not a deal breaker from my perspective to reroute him to MIN (I was questioning if he even was an upgrade over Len to be honest).

As for Jaylen Clark, I don’t know how you have arrived at the conclusion that Clark can do what Carter can do. Clark was almost undrafted a couple years ago and has played 6 total minutes since being drafted in 2023. Carter just went #13 in this past draft and could have very well been drafted ahead of Dillingham if it wasn’t for his shoulder injury that required him to get surgery this past offseason.

Clark had a torn ACL or Achilles and missed all of last year. This year his 3 point shooting in the G is improving, his defense in the G has been solid, and he is 6’5 with a wingspan of 6’9. Maybe explain why Carter is better? From what I read in a few prospective draft boards his only real tool is attacking off the dribble, and he is struggles to dish out off those attacks.

I mean...what did Carter not do better than him coming out of college?

Better scorer
Better shooter
Better at getting to the line
Better at finishing at the rim
Better ball handler
Better passer
Better rebounder
Better shot blocker
Fouled less
More athletic

Perhaps they are comparable defenders, but there is a reason why one of these guys was drafted in the lotto (even when teams knew he had a shoulder injury that might require surgery) and the other was a late 2nd round pick.

[drchaos]

Brooklyn is getting ripped off here.

They aren't getting enough for Cam J and for some reason they are also giving away Sharpe and Watford.

I don’t think Sharpe or Watford have much value at all so feel free to swap them out with other guys you’d prefer to send out.

As for the value coming back, a very lightly protected 1st and a very early 2nd seems like a solid return for Johnson.

Maybe if we are talking about the Kings 2025 first rounder instead of some pie in the sky future pick that might not even convey.

[bpcox05]

Brooklyn is getting ripped off here.

They aren't getting enough for Cam J and for some reason they are also giving away Sharpe and Watford.

I don’t think Sharpe or Watford have much value at all so feel free to swap them out with other guys you’d prefer to send out.

As for the value coming back, a very lightly protected 1st and a very early 2nd seems like a solid return for Johnson.

Maybe if we are talking about the Kings 2025 first rounder instead of some pie in the sky future pick that might not even convey.

Well the Kings could keep the protection top 4 for a few years to increase the odds that it conveys.

The Kings 2025 & 2026 1sts cannot be traded since they are tied up in a deal with ATL, and the Kings 2027 1st would also not be eligible to be traded due to the Stepien rule. That means the Kings would have the ability to offer a future top 4 protected 1st that would carry over for 3 subsequent years if it doesn't convey (with the last year being top 4 protected after SAS has the option to swap their pick with our pick).

[winforlose]

I mean I don’t think Sharpe holds that much value. He’s a RFA this offseason and a backup C. It’s not a deal breaker from my perspective to reroute him to MIN (I was questioning if he even was an upgrade over Len to be honest).

As for Jaylen Clark, I don’t know how you have arrived at the conclusion that Clark can do what Carter can do. Clark was almost undrafted a couple years ago and has played 6 total minutes since being drafted in 2023. Carter just went #13 in this past draft and could have very well been drafted ahead of Dillingham if it wasn’t for his shoulder injury that required him to get surgery this past offseason.

Clark had a torn ACL or Achilles and missed all of last year. This year his 3 point shooting in the G is improving, his defense in the G has been solid, and he is 6’5 with a wingspan of 6’9. Maybe explain why Carter is better? From what I read in a few prospective draft boards his only real tool is attacking off the dribble, and he is struggles to dish out off those attacks.

I mean...what did Carter not do better than him coming out of college?

Better scorer
Better shooter
Better at getting to the line
Better at finishing at the rim
Better ball handler
Better passer
Better rebounder
Better shot blocker
Fouled less
More athletic

Perhaps they are comparable defenders, but there is a reason why one of these guys was drafted in the lotto (even when teams knew he had a shoulder injury that might require surgery) and the other was a late 2nd round pick.

Okay, let’s take a step back. My reading on Carter says he had one good year from deep at 38%. Before that he was sub 30%. We both know guys can have good years, this means his shot is not proven. Carter averaged under 4 assists per game every year with his best year being his last at 3.7 AST to 2.7 TOs. This tells me he is more of an undersized SG than a PG. His rebounding numbers exploded in his final year which is surprising. But, the NBA is a very different game and at his size I don’t expect him to continue to be as effective on the glass. So what you are offering is a SG with a questionable 3, who does not do well creating for others, and who can at best guard 1-3. I don’t see us trading Jaden for that. Any discussion of Jaden to Sac starts with Murray to the MN.

[drchaos]

I don’t think Sharpe or Watford have much value at all so feel free to swap them out with other guys you’d prefer to send out.

As for the value coming back, a very lightly protected 1st and a very early 2nd seems like a solid return for Johnson.

Maybe if we are talking about the Kings 2025 first rounder instead of some pie in the sky future pick that might not even convey.

Well the Kings could keep the protection top 4 for a few years to increase the odds that it conveys.

The Kings 2025 & 2026 1sts cannot be traded since they are tied up in a deal with ATL, and the Kings 2027 1st would also not be eligible to be traded due to the Stepien rule. That means the Kings would have the ability to offer a future top 4 protected 1st that would carry over for 3 subsequent years if it doesn't convey (with the last year being top 4 protected after SAS has the option to swap their pick with our pick).

That is all well and good but the future pick is not getting you Cam Johnson.

[winforlose]

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Maybe if we are talking about the Kings 2025 first rounder instead of some pie in the sky future pick that might not even convey.

Well the Kings could keep the protection top 4 for a few years to increase the odds that it conveys.

The Kings 2025 & 2026 1sts cannot be traded since they are tied up in a deal with ATL, and the Kings 2027 1st would also not be eligible to be traded due to the Stepien rule. That means the Kings would have the ability to offer a future top 4 protected 1st that would carry over for 3 subsequent years if it doesn't convey (with the last year being top 4 protected after SAS has the option to swap their pick with our pick).

That is all well and good but the future pick is not getting you Cam Johnson.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278837/Nets-Looking-For-Two-First-Round-Picks-Or-Equivalent-For-Cam-Johnson.


https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278831/Kings-Pacers-Leading-Suitors-For-Cam-Johnson

Kings might give Carter and a first for him. I think that creates some rotation issues for the Kings, but that is someone else’s problem to solve. If I am correct this trade idea is not that far off, at least if you cut the Wolves out of it.

[bpcox05]

Clark had a torn ACL or Achilles and missed all of last year. This year his 3 point shooting in the G is improving, his defense in the G has been solid, and he is 6’5 with a wingspan of 6’9. Maybe explain why Carter is better? From what I read in a few prospective draft boards his only real tool is attacking off the dribble, and he is struggles to dish out off those attacks.

I mean...what did Carter not do better than him coming out of college?

Better scorer
Better shooter
Better at getting to the line
Better at finishing at the rim
Better ball handler
Better passer
Better rebounder
Better shot blocker
Fouled less
More athletic

Perhaps they are comparable defenders, but there is a reason why one of these guys was drafted in the lotto (even when teams knew he had a shoulder injury that might require surgery) and the other was a late 2nd round pick.

Okay, let’s take a step back. My reading on Carter says he had one good year from deep at 38%. Before that he was sub 30%. We both know guys can have good years, this means his shot is not proven. Carter averaged under 4 assists per game every year with his best year being his last at 3.7 AST to 2.7 TOs. This tells me he is more of an undersized SG than a PG. His rebounding numbers exploded in his final year which is surprising. But, the NBA is a very different game and at his size I don’t expect him to continue to be as effective on the glass. So what you are offering is a SG with a questionable 3, who does not do well creating for others, and who can at best guard 1-3. I don’t see us trading Jaden for that. Any discussion of Jaden to Sac starts with Murray to the MN.

Well Carter improved both his 3P% and FT% every year in college. That’s the type of positive development you want to see. And not only did he improve his 3P%, he did it while drastically improving his volume as well. He went from 30% on 4.0 3PAs per 36 min to 38% on 6.9 3PAs per 36 min. And he took 223 3PAs last year in total. That’s a pretty healthy sample size to draw from.

Now I’m not going to make the case that Carter should be a lead playmaker, but he’s also not a “stand in the corner on offense” type of guard (which I think more closely describes Clark). He’s a solid ball handler who looks comfortable & confident handling the rock. He has decent vision but is a high IQ player who makes good decisions. He can run the PnR (which he’s even done in his NBA minutes already). From a playmaking & ballhandling standpoint, think of him like DiVincenzo. I think they’re very similar in that regard.

I don’t consider Carter an undersized SG. If you want to go by height, sure you can call him undersized but luckily for Carter, you don’t play basketball with the top of your head. He’s got really good strength (for instance, Jaylen Brown was trying to back him down in the BOS game, and Carter was able to hold his ground and keep him away from the paint), a 6’9” wingspan (same as Clark’s), and a 42” vert (which helps him contest shots at a higher point and one of the reasons why he averaged a block a game in college).

I think the thing I feel most confident about translating is his rebounding so it’s interesting that you’re skeptical. He averaged 8.8 REB per 36 min last year in college, 10.9 REB per 36 min in the G League this year (66 min sample), and 10.0 REB per 36 min in the NBA this year (94 min sample). Obviously, it’s a small sample size this year thus far but the type of rebounds he is snatching up are very promising. It reminds me of Josh Hart.

[schaffy]

To Shrinks point, Conley isn't going to get moved. That handshake agreement carries a lot of weight with a respected vet like him.

I'm not entirely convinced a mcdaniels for cam swap fixes things. Feels more like moving chairs around. You'd be improving the offense at, at best, your 3rd option (might well be 4th with ddv starting now) but losing your 2nd best defender.

I also watched Carter play a lot at Providence. He's a menace on defense no question about it. He flies around on and off ball with great instincts and a really good rebounder for his size. But I don't think he's a PG in the NBA - He's an undersized 2. And at the draft I would have said a defense only 2. His offense could still improve but his handle wasn't great in college and that shot needs work, like a lot of it.

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[JKiddy]

BK is getting destroyed in this trade. It does not help their immediate plan, their intermediate plan, or their long-term plan. They could not recover from this. They would give the value of 2.5 1sts away for 1 Top 4 protected 1st at the every end of the day (and trade). It does not add up for them.

[OxAndFox]

To Shrinks point, Conley isn't going to get moved. That handshake agreement carries a lot of weight with a respected vet like him.

I'm not entirely convinced a mcdaniels for cam swap fixes things. Feels more like moving chairs around. You'd be improving the offense at, at best, your 3rd option (might well be 4th with ddv starting now) but losing your 2nd best defender.

I also watched Carter play a lot at Providence. He's a menace on defense no question about it. He flies around on and off ball with great instincts and a really good rebounder for his size. But I don't think he's a PG in the NBA - He's an undersized 2. And at the draft I would have said a defense only 2. His offense could still improve but his handle wasn't great in college and that shot needs work, like a lot of it.

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Carter is a good enough PG to have next to a player like Ant who has decent usage. He will improve his PG play, but he is not a natural PG.
If you're expecting Carter to have a high usage himself that is where it wouldn't be playing to his strengths as much as he is not a high level playmaker.
He is ok in the PnR already, but his drive and dish game needs work. I think he will get there. His rebounding and defence for a rookie playing his first handful of games is excellent and he doesn't look out of place on the court going up against guys like Steph.
He is also a really good cutter off ball and constantly moves around. That is where he gets a lot of his rebounds. He is very much a Josh Hart player in that respect and I expect him to be able to guard 1-3 as early as next season.