Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft

[_txchilibowl_]

I wonder if WAS would just make Kingsbury the HC if he told them he was leaving otherwise.

Absolutely not. Dan Quinn has turned that franchise around. He's going nowhere.

[biggestbullsfan]

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So McCarthy or Monken? Who yall thinking

Does Kliff move up the rankings too?lol

[Betta Bulleavit]

There's no way seeing Daniels play this well doesn't sting . He's so small and tiny though he won't last .

He's 3 inches taller and 4 lbs lighter than Caleb. Also, you would expect JD to fill out as his career progresses. If Jayden has size concerns so does Caleb.

What you’re saying makes sense in that neither of those factors as stand alones mean very much. But when you put them together with one another, it creates a noticeably different body.

With that said, it doesn’t mean that Daniels won’t be fine. I just wouldn’t say that their body types are similar.

[Betta Bulleavit]

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So McCarthy or Monken? Who yall thinking

Does Kliff move up the rankings too?lol

This upcoming week just got a lot more interesting for sure. We’ve got Johnson and Glenn hitting full availability and at least one of Brady or Monken will also officially hit the market as well. So several key dominoes will almost certainly fall this week.

[Dresden]

Caleb is still not a mistake you guys chill . He will get his chance .

He may or may not be a mistake.

But what he isn't, is a (presumptive) Rookie of the Year, Pro-Bowler QB that has led his team the the play-offs and actually won a play-off game...in JD's case, 2 play-offs games in his rookie year.

CW may be just fine, time will tell. But other rookie QB's have proven it on the field.

To be fair guys like Daniels don't have incompetent coaches and USFL level Ol play.

Whose to say that this might be the best Daniels plays in his career?

I'm glad Daniels is playing pretty well for Commanders but do want too what Caleb can do with a coach who knows what he is doing.

To that point, if roles were reversed, and the Bears took the huge gamble of passing on Caleb and took Daniels instead, what are the chances Daniels would have had the same sort of season here?

[cocktailswith_2short]

He may or may not be a mistake.

But what he isn't, is a (presumptive) Rookie of the Year, Pro-Bowler QB that has led his team the the play-offs and actually won a play-off game...in JD's case, 2 play-offs games in his rookie year.

CW may be just fine, time will tell. But other rookie QB's have proven it on the field.

To be fair guys like Daniels don't have incompetent coaches and USFL level Ol play.

Whose to say that this might be the best Daniels plays in his career?

I'm glad Daniels is playing pretty well for Commanders but do want too what Caleb can do with a coach who knows what he is doing.

To that point, if roles were reversed, and the Bears took the huge gamble of passing on Caleb and took Daniels instead, what are the chances Daniels would have had the same sort of season here?

your offensive line ,coach,and culture was a travesty so probably not good .

[Mindcrime]

It basically would go like that:

1.Bears would call BJ tomorrow offering him the job, if he says no

2.Bears would call Freeman offering him the job, if he says no

3.Bears would call McCarthy offering him the job and he would say yes

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So McCarthy or Monken? Who yall thinking

Does Kliff move up the rankings too?lol

Oh boy. There’s no denying what’s going on with that. One would have to come to the conclusion that if Newmark is working in Vegas, Ben Johnson is also working in Vegas. We tried.

I was settled on McCarthy. Hoping for a Freeman miracle. Short of Freeman, Kingsbury would seem just as good of a fit as McCarthy, and after last night, I am trending toward Kingsbury. What we don’t know, is if Kingsbury is interested in the Bears job.

[fleet]

If the Commanders go to the SB, it’d be great for them but would represent an extreme anomaly. As fans, we have to understand that as much as it sucks, being great is probably based more on luck than we care to realize.

There is a luck component to it, but I don't want to hear about luck anymore. The Bears have had their share.

In 2022, the Texans went 3-13-1 and GAVE US the #1 pick on 4th down on the final play of the game in the last game of the year.
In 2023, The Texans got a new coach, a new OC, took the #2 QB who ended up being ROY and going to the Pro-Bowl. The 3-13-1 Texans went 10-7 with that rookie QB and new coaching staff, and even won a play-off game.

All that stuff seems like a total one-off...except.... (copy and paste time).

In 2022 2023, the Texans Commanders went 3-13-1 4-13 and GAVE US we had the #1 pick on 4th down on the final play of the game in the last game of the year.
In 2023 2024, The Texans Commanders got a new coach, a new OC, took the #2 QB who ended up being ROY (presumptive) and going to the Pro-Bowl. The 3-13-1 Texans 4-13 Commanders went 10-7 11-6 with that rookie QB and new coaching staff, and even won a two play-off games.

There is an old saying that goes: Luck is when opportunity meets preparation.
I personally like the alternative saying better: Opportunity is when luck meets preparation.

Regardless of which saying used, we have now watched back to back teams take advantage of their luck (or opportunity) and turn it into very successful seasons that have altered the trajectory of their franchise. We took a 7-10 team that also had the #1 pick to go with the #9 pick and turned it into a 5-12 team with the most sacked QB in Bears history and tied for 3rd on the NFL single season most sacked record. The freaking Commanders are going to the NFC Championship game. We turned down their HC, their OC, and didn't even bother to speak to their QB. Our misfortune isn't because we were not lucky enough.

I completely understand everything they you’re saying and I don’t necessarily disagree. The fact of the matter is that consistent poor decisions have been a staple of this organization for many years now. And it’s created a stigma that isn’t going won’t be easily shaken until we show notable improvements in the W/L column.

My thing is, I don’t believe that we’re as far off as our record indicates. Sure, I know many people would beg to differ and that’s fine. But the most critical of errors that this organization made was miscalculating the negative impact of retaining Eberflus last season. It wasn’t not talking to Daniels. They weren’t drafting him at 1 nor was any other team. In fact, if the Commanders had the number one pick, even they would have drafted Caleb. So I’m not worried about who we drafted, especially once you consider that Caleb (individually) did not have a “bad” season.

The bottom line is (and I risk sounding like a broken record here) is that Poles just needs to worry about making the decisions that he believes in and not worry about what the fans or the media thinks he should be doing. I believe that getting this coaching hire right is the one step that will for the longest way towards changing the general narrative of this team.

I don’t believe there was total consensus on Caleb by the time of the draft. Daniels had a ton of momentum, and quite a number of NFL people in media were calling for Daniels over Caleb. Knowing Poles, he just locked onto Caleb and dismissed any doubt. He didn’t even open his mind to it, never brought Daniels into the building. Other GMs in his position may have done things differently.

[Betta Bulleavit]

He may or may not be a mistake.

But what he isn't, is a (presumptive) Rookie of the Year, Pro-Bowler QB that has led his team the the play-offs and actually won a play-off game...in JD's case, 2 play-offs games in his rookie year.

CW may be just fine, time will tell. But other rookie QB's have proven it on the field.

To be fair guys like Daniels don't have incompetent coaches and USFL level Ol play.

Whose to say that this might be the best Daniels plays in his career?

I'm glad Daniels is playing pretty well for Commanders but do want too what Caleb can do with a coach who knows what he is doing.

To that point, if roles were reversed, and the Bears took the huge gamble of passing on Caleb and took Daniels instead, what are the chances Daniels would have had the same sort of season here?

I don’t envision a scenario where Daniels would have been much more successful than Williams was. As much as I love what I’ve seen from Daniel’s, I seldom see him do anything that Williams can’t do. He just did it more consistently and a decent chunk of the reason (in my opinion) was due to the fact that Daniels simply had a better infrastructure to operate within.

[Betta Bulleavit]

There is a luck component to it, but I don't want to hear about luck anymore. The Bears have had their share.

In 2022, the Texans went 3-13-1 and GAVE US the #1 pick on 4th down on the final play of the game in the last game of the year.
In 2023, The Texans got a new coach, a new OC, took the #2 QB who ended up being ROY and going to the Pro-Bowl. The 3-13-1 Texans went 10-7 with that rookie QB and new coaching staff, and even won a play-off game.

All that stuff seems like a total one-off...except.... (copy and paste time).

In 2022 2023, the Texans Commanders went 3-13-1 4-13 and GAVE US we had the #1 pick on 4th down on the final play of the game in the last game of the year.
In 2023 2024, The Texans Commanders got a new coach, a new OC, took the #2 QB who ended up being ROY (presumptive) and going to the Pro-Bowl. The 3-13-1 Texans 4-13 Commanders went 10-7 11-6 with that rookie QB and new coaching staff, and even won a two play-off games.

There is an old saying that goes: Luck is when opportunity meets preparation.
I personally like the alternative saying better: Opportunity is when luck meets preparation.

Regardless of which saying used, we have now watched back to back teams take advantage of their luck (or opportunity) and turn it into very successful seasons that have altered the trajectory of their franchise. We took a 7-10 team that also had the #1 pick to go with the #9 pick and turned it into a 5-12 team with the most sacked QB in Bears history and tied for 3rd on the NFL single season most sacked record. The freaking Commanders are going to the NFC Championship game. We turned down their HC, their OC, and didn't even bother to speak to their QB. Our misfortune isn't because we were not lucky enough.

I completely understand everything they you’re saying and I don’t necessarily disagree. The fact of the matter is that consistent poor decisions have been a staple of this organization for many years now. And it’s created a stigma that isn’t going won’t be easily shaken until we show notable improvements in the W/L column.

My thing is, I don’t believe that we’re as far off as our record indicates. Sure, I know many people would beg to differ and that’s fine. But the most critical of errors that this organization made was miscalculating the negative impact of retaining Eberflus last season. It wasn’t not talking to Daniels. They weren’t drafting him at 1 nor was any other team. In fact, if the Commanders had the number one pick, even they would have drafted Caleb. So I’m not worried about who we drafted, especially once you consider that Caleb (individually) did not have a “bad” season.

The bottom line is (and I risk sounding like a broken record here) is that Poles just needs to worry about making the decisions that he believes in and not worry about what the fans or the media thinks he should be doing. I believe that getting this coaching hire right is the one step that will for the longest way towards changing the general narrative of this team.

I don’t believe there was total consensus on Caleb by the time of the draft. Daniels had a ton of momentum, and quite a number of NFL people in media were calling for Daniels over Caleb. Knowing Poles, he just locked onto Caleb and dismissed any doubt. He didn’t even open his mind to it, never brought Daniels into the building. Other GMs in his position may have done things differently.

No, there was most certainly a consensus. The only person that had Daniels over Williams was Dan Olorvsky (sp). Beyond that, everyone else had Williams over Daniels, which was why it was a foregone conclusion come draft night. There was no question about who the top pick was going to be or who the perceived top prospect was.

[nitetrain8603]

He may or may not be a mistake.

But what he isn't, is a (presumptive) Rookie of the Year, Pro-Bowler QB that has led his team the the play-offs and actually won a play-off game...in JD's case, 2 play-offs games in his rookie year.

CW may be just fine, time will tell. But other rookie QB's have proven it on the field.

To be fair guys like Daniels don't have incompetent coaches and USFL level Ol play.

Whose to say that this might be the best Daniels plays in his career?

I'm glad Daniels is playing pretty well for Commanders but do want too what Caleb can do with a coach who knows what he is doing.

To that point, if roles were reversed, and the Bears took the huge gamble of passing on Caleb and took Daniels instead, what are the chances Daniels would have had the same sort of season here?

Offensive Line was a huge issue. Washington invested in theirs. Bears didn't. He likely would found similar success or worse than Caleb.

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[nitetrain8603]

There is a luck component to it, but I don't want to hear about luck anymore. The Bears have had their share.

In 2022, the Texans went 3-13-1 and GAVE US the #1 pick on 4th down on the final play of the game in the last game of the year.
In 2023, The Texans got a new coach, a new OC, took the #2 QB who ended up being ROY and going to the Pro-Bowl. The 3-13-1 Texans went 10-7 with that rookie QB and new coaching staff, and even won a play-off game.

All that stuff seems like a total one-off...except.... (copy and paste time).

In 2022 2023, the Texans Commanders went 3-13-1 4-13 and GAVE US we had the #1 pick on 4th down on the final play of the game in the last game of the year.
In 2023 2024, The Texans Commanders got a new coach, a new OC, took the #2 QB who ended up being ROY (presumptive) and going to the Pro-Bowl. The 3-13-1 Texans 4-13 Commanders went 10-7 11-6 with that rookie QB and new coaching staff, and even won a two play-off games.

There is an old saying that goes: Luck is when opportunity meets preparation.
I personally like the alternative saying better: Opportunity is when luck meets preparation.

Regardless of which saying used, we have now watched back to back teams take advantage of their luck (or opportunity) and turn it into very successful seasons that have altered the trajectory of their franchise. We took a 7-10 team that also had the #1 pick to go with the #9 pick and turned it into a 5-12 team with the most sacked QB in Bears history and tied for 3rd on the NFL single season most sacked record. The freaking Commanders are going to the NFC Championship game. We turned down their HC, their OC, and didn't even bother to speak to their QB. Our misfortune isn't because we were not lucky enough.

I completely understand everything they you’re saying and I don’t necessarily disagree. The fact of the matter is that consistent poor decisions have been a staple of this organization for many years now. And it’s created a stigma that isn’t going won’t be easily shaken until we show notable improvements in the W/L column.

My thing is, I don’t believe that we’re as far off as our record indicates. Sure, I know many people would beg to differ and that’s fine. But the most critical of errors that this organization made was miscalculating the negative impact of retaining Eberflus last season. It wasn’t not talking to Daniels. They weren’t drafting him at 1 nor was any other team. In fact, if the Commanders had the number one pick, even they would have drafted Caleb. So I’m not worried about who we drafted, especially once you consider that Caleb (individually) did not have a “bad” season.

The bottom line is (and I risk sounding like a broken record here) is that Poles just needs to worry about making the decisions that he believes in and not worry about what the fans or the media thinks he should be doing. I believe that getting this coaching hire right is the one step that will for the longest way towards changing the general narrative of this team.

I don’t believe there was total consensus on Caleb by the time of the draft. Daniels had a ton of momentum, and quite a number of NFL people in media were calling for Daniels over Caleb. Knowing Poles, he just locked onto Caleb and dismissed any doubt. He didn’t even open his mind to it, never brought Daniels into the building. Other GMs in his position may have done things differently.

You don't when the QB is considered once in a generation talent. Let's not be a slave to the moment and rewrite history.

And again, Washington invested in their line, Bears didn't. We will see what happens this offseason.

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[Dresden]

I completely understand everything they you’re saying and I don’t necessarily disagree. The fact of the matter is that consistent poor decisions have been a staple of this organization for many years now. And it’s created a stigma that isn’t going won’t be easily shaken until we show notable improvements in the W/L column.

My thing is, I don’t believe that we’re as far off as our record indicates. Sure, I know many people would beg to differ and that’s fine. But the most critical of errors that this organization made was miscalculating the negative impact of retaining Eberflus last season. It wasn’t not talking to Daniels. They weren’t drafting him at 1 nor was any other team. In fact, if the Commanders had the number one pick, even they would have drafted Caleb. So I’m not worried about who we drafted, especially once you consider that Caleb (individually) did not have a “bad” season.

The bottom line is (and I risk sounding like a broken record here) is that Poles just needs to worry about making the decisions that he believes in and not worry about what the fans or the media thinks he should be doing. I believe that getting this coaching hire right is the one step that will for the longest way towards changing the general narrative of this team.

I don’t believe there was total consensus on Caleb by the time of the draft. Daniels had a ton of momentum, and quite a number of NFL people in media were calling for Daniels over Caleb. Knowing Poles, he just locked onto Caleb and dismissed any doubt. He didn’t even open his mind to it, never brought Daniels into the building. Other GMs in his position may have done things differently.

No, there was most certainly a consensus. The only person that had Daniels over Williams was Dan Olorvsky (sp). Beyond that, everyone else had Williams over Daniels, which was why it was a foregone conclusion come draft night. There was no question about who the top pick was going to be or who the perceived top prospect was.

From what I recall, there was more discussion as to who should go #2- Daniels or Maye, than there was over who should go #1. It was Caleb in a class by himself, and then everyone else.

[Dresden]

Ben Johnson, Kingsbury, McCarthy- I think any of those would be fine and a big upgrade. Those would be my top 3 right now.

[panthermark]

To be fair guys like Daniels don't have incompetent coaches and USFL level Ol play.

Whose to say that this might be the best Daniels plays in his career?

I'm glad Daniels is playing pretty well for Commanders but do want too what Caleb can do with a coach who knows what he is doing.

To that point, if roles were reversed, and the Bears took the huge gamble of passing on Caleb and took Daniels instead, what are the chances Daniels would have had the same sort of season here?

I don’t envision a scenario where Daniels would have been much more successful than Williams was. As much as I love what I’ve seen from Daniel’s, I seldom see him do anything that Williams can’t do. He just did it more consistently and a decent chunk of the reason (in my opinion) was due to the fact that Daniels simply had a better infrastructure to operate within.

Tough to say.
Daniels showed major things that CW did not.

His deep ball WAY WAY WAY better.
He was a much bigger threat with his legs. (891 yards, 6 TD's, 55 first downs....that is about what Swift did this season. Slighly more yards, same TD's, less first downs).

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The funny thing is the season JD had is what I thought/hoped Justin Fields would become.

[Jeffster81]

He may or may not be a mistake.

But what he isn't, is a (presumptive) Rookie of the Year, Pro-Bowler QB that has led his team the the play-offs and actually won a play-off game...in JD's case, 2 play-offs games in his rookie year.

CW may be just fine, time will tell. But other rookie QB's have proven it on the field.

To be fair guys like Daniels don't have incompetent coaches and USFL level Ol play.

Whose to say that this might be the best Daniels plays in his career?

I'm glad Daniels is playing pretty well for Commanders but do want too what Caleb can do with a coach who knows what he is doing.

To that point, if roles were reversed, and the Bears took the huge gamble of passing on Caleb and took Daniels instead, what are the chances Daniels would have had the same sort of season here?

As others said, Daniels would be Fields 2.0. Flash but often times have to run for his life. This is not a shot at Daniels but the Bears, mainly Poles, for failure to improve the OL.

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If Johnson goes to the Raiders, I guarantee he won't see a second contract with the Raiders. The HC/GM alignment is the only thing that they can sell and, imo, it is not that big of a deal because the Bears/Jaguars would fire their GMs right now if Johnson needs it if those teams wanted him.

[Betta Bulleavit]

To that point, if roles were reversed, and the Bears took the huge gamble of passing on Caleb and took Daniels instead, what are the chances Daniels would have had the same sort of season here?

I don’t envision a scenario where Daniels would have been much more successful than Williams was. As much as I love what I’ve seen from Daniel’s, I seldom see him do anything that Williams can’t do. He just did it more consistently and a decent chunk of the reason (in my opinion) was due to the fact that Daniels simply had a better infrastructure to operate within.

Tough to say.
Daniels showed major things that CW did not.

His deep ball WAY WAY WAY better.
He was a much bigger threat with his legs. (891 yards, 6 TD's, 55 first downs....that is about what Swift did this season. Slighly more yards, same TD's, less first downs).

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The funny thing is the season JD had is what I thought/hoped Justin Fields would become.

I’m not sure that Daniels’ deep ball is THAT much better than Caleb’s. Although the numbers certainly indicate that, Caleb seemed to have a lot of timing issues this year. But I’ll concede that none the less

With regards to the rushing yards, Daniels was always regarded as more of a mobile qb with Williams being more of a pocket passer. Remember, that’s a big part of the reason why so many people wanted Williams after having seen several seasons of Justin as a running qb.

[TheStig]

Ben Johnson, Kingsbury, McCarthy- I think any of those would be fine and a big upgrade. Those would be my top 3 right now.

100% agree. Ben is the biggest risk.

[Betta Bulleavit]

Ben Johnson, Kingsbury, McCarthy- I think any of those would be fine and a big upgrade. Those would be my top 3 right now.

I wouldn’t sleep on the idea of Carroll either. I’m much less confident in his candidacy now than I was a week ago. But he’s not off my radar.