CHI-GSW Trade

[rambo_ortega]

Bulls Get:
Andrew Wiggins
Jonathan Kuminga
Kyle Anderson
Kevon Looney
Gary Payton II
Brandin Podziemski

They completely rebuild and get tons of quality young players to set their future up

Giddey/White/Wiggins/Kuminga/Williams
Ball/Dosunmu/Podz/Buzelis/Looney

Warriors Get:
Nikola Vucevic
Zach Lavine

They work with Steph's timeline by adding All Star quality players

Curry/Lavine/Moody/Green/Vucevic
Schroder/Hield/Waters/TJD/Post

[giberish]

That roster just doesn't work for GS. GS really can't afford matching LaVine and his long-term contract. They can't afford Vuc and LaVine's defense with the limited guys they have left.

Before the Schroeder trade I thought a Melton/Kunminga/Looney for Ayo/Craig/Vuc deal was a possibility. Maybe something like that could still happen though it's harder.

[gswhoops]

Gotta love a deal that makes us worse now AND in the future

[Mr Swagtastic]

That Golden State team might just be the worst defensive team in league history with no real rebuilding pieces for their future

[NW]

Don't see that deal making sense for either team. Bulls would have to release some guys, would take on salary when the goal is not to -including paying JK.

I've said before, one of the main reasons GS is searching for a stretch 5 is to pair with Kuminga and give him more room to operate. Trading him in the deal defeats the purpose. They don't seem to have a desire to deal him or Wiggins. The Lavine door shut when CP3s contract was released

[drosestruts]

I've been following the Vuc to Golden State trade rumors and have thought about if there's an opportunity to expand it into a larger framework - I think here it just went too big.

In general the idea of the Bulls giving up more pieces to expand the trade to include Kuminga makes sense to me as a theory. It's a little more difficult to get it to work as I think the Warriors shouldn't give up Wiggins.

A deal that could maybe make sense would be:

Warriors in: Nikola Vucevic, Coby White, Torrey Craig, Chris Duarte, and Talen Horton-Tucker

Bulls in: Jonathan Kuminga, Gary Payton, Kevon Looney, Buddy Hield, and Kevin Anderson


Warriors grab White, Craig, and THT in addition to Vuc (Duarte is just salary filler/expiring in my view). Vuc and Craig are two veteran pieces that help now as a stretch big and and 3&d wing. White and THT are both young and help now and can be pieces for the Warriors in the future as well.


For the Bulls it's really all about grabbing Kuminga. They seem to value adding young players more than future draft assets and they've had their eye on Kuminga for some time (rumored to have wanted him in a Caruso trade last year). The other players coming back are either just expiring deals or the Bulls taking on some modest long-term salary to help equal the balance of the trade.


Warriors:

Curry/Shroder
White/Podz/Moody
Wiggins/THT/Duarte/Waters
Green/Craig/Santos
Vucevic/TJD


Bulls:

Ball/Giddey/Carter
LaVine/Ayo/Hield/Payton
Buzelis/Williams/Terry
Kuminga/Phillips/Anderson
Smith/Looney

[NW]

I've been following the Vuc to Golden State trade rumors and have thought about if there's an opportunity to expand it into a larger framework - I think here it just went too big.

In general the idea of the Bulls giving up more pieces to expand the trade to include Kuminga makes sense to me as a theory. It's a little more difficult to get it to work as I think the Warriors shouldn't give up Wiggins.

A deal that could maybe make sense would be:

Warriors in: Nikola Vucevic, Coby White, Torrey Craig, Chris Duarte, and Talen Horton-Tucker

Bulls in: Jonathan Kuminga, Gary Payton, Kevon Looney, Buddy Hield, and Kevin Anderson


Warriors grab White, Craig, and THT in addition to Vuc (Duarte is just salary filler/expiring in my view). Vuc and Craig are two veteran pieces that help now as a stretch big and and 3&d wing. White and THT are both young and help now and can be pieces for the Warriors in the future as well.


For the Bulls it's really all about grabbing Kuminga. They seem to value adding young players more than future draft assets and they've had their eye on Kuminga for some time (rumored to have wanted him in a Caruso trade last year). The other players coming back are either just expiring deals or the Bulls taking on some modest long-term salary to help equal the balance of the trade.


Warriors:

Curry/Shroder
White/Podz/Moody
Wiggins/THT/Duarte/Waters
Green/Craig/Santos
Vucevic/TJD


Bulls:

Ball/Giddey/Carter
LaVine/Ayo/Hield/Payton
Buzelis/Williams/Terry
Kuminga/Phillips/Anderson
Smith/Looney

I’d say the Warriors are better off seeing things through with Kuminga than adding any of those guys. White is somewhat interesting though

[ChettheJet]

The Bulls get younger players for sure, too many as a matter of fact sine they're at 15 now, move 2 and get 6, OK trade machine wizard who are they paying to go away?

Terr former FRP
Craig veteran role player who should bring a SRP, Carter is a $6.5M hit for next year too. So you probably want them to dump 3 guys they just got in that trade. That negates any saving you're claiming.

Plus

you forget Jalen Smith completely

Giddey Ball Dosummu
Lavine Whtte
Smith Looney
Wiggins to hold back Williams a little more and start holding back Buzelis
Kuminga Phillips Podz

Anderson, Payton II

the Bulls don't need a mess

[gswhoops]

I've said before, one of the main reasons GS is searching for a stretch 5 is to pair with Kuminga and give him more room to operate. Trading him in the deal defeats the purpose. They don't seem to have a desire to deal him or Wiggins. The Lavine door shut when CP3s contract was released

+1 to all of this. Even if Chicago was willing to move Lavine for no value it doesn't make sense for us roster wise because we would have to lose Wiggins + 2 of GP2/Looney/SloMo/Hield (probably 3 when you factor in the need to backfill roster spots) and at that point it's just not workable.

I've been following the Vuc to Golden State trade rumors and have thought about if there's an opportunity to expand it into a larger framework - I think here it just went too big.

In general the idea of the Bulls giving up more pieces to expand the trade to include Kuminga makes sense to me as a theory. It's a little more difficult to get it to work as I think the Warriors shouldn't give up Wiggins.

A deal that could maybe make sense would be:

Warriors in: Nikola Vucevic, Coby White, Torrey Craig, Chris Duarte, and Talen Horton-Tucker

Bulls in: Jonathan Kuminga, Gary Payton, Kevon Looney, Buddy Hield, and Kevin Anderson


Warriors grab White, Craig, and THT in addition to Vuc (Duarte is just salary filler/expiring in my view). Vuc and Craig are two veteran pieces that help now as a stretch big and and 3&d wing. White and THT are both young and help now and can be pieces for the Warriors in the future as well.


For the Bulls it's really all about grabbing Kuminga. They seem to value adding young players more than future draft assets and they've had their eye on Kuminga for some time (rumored to have wanted him in a Caruso trade last year). The other players coming back are either just expiring deals or the Bulls taking on some modest long-term salary to help equal the balance of the trade.


Warriors:

Curry/Shroder
White/Podz/Moody
Wiggins/THT/Duarte/Waters
Green/Craig/Santos
Vucevic/TJD


Bulls:

Ball/Giddey/Carter
LaVine/Ayo/Hield/Payton
Buzelis/Williams/Terry
Kuminga/Phillips/Anderson
Smith/Looney

I don't hate this deal value-wise but like NW pointed out a big part of the motivation to get a stretch 5 is to open up the floor for Kuminga. Rather do a smaller deal for just Vuc.

[eminence]

Nobody seriously thinks LaVine/Vuc are top ~25 guys do they?

[wemby]

Is this a joke? Fantasy basketball?

[meekrab]

Who are the "tons of quality young players" the Bulls get in this trade? I don't see a single one.

[Coxy]

This is putrid for the Warriors.

No please.