Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft

[dice]

Carter shut off that drive. Playoffs are won by dudes

especially when unblocked

[fleet]

Carter shut off that drive. Playoffs are won by dudes

especially when unblocked

Unblocked. Indeed. Don’t listen to Collinsworth.

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- 5 Tackles
- 5 Pressures
- 3 QB Hits
- 2 Sacks
- 2 TFL
- 1 Pass Defended

[dice]

Carter shut off that drive. Playoffs are won by dudes

especially when unblocked

Unblocked. Indeed. Don’t listen to Collinsworth.

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- 5 Tackles
- 5 Pressures
- 3 QB Hits
- 2 Sacks
- 2 TFL
- 1 Pass Defended

going up against a garbage rookie C

[fleet]

Come on man

[dice]

Come on man

rams have one of the worst pass blocking interiors in the league. putrid

[patryk7754]

No one is questioning his talent. If his character wasn’t an issue he would have been top 3.

[patryk7754]

No one is questioning his talent. If his character wasn’t an issue he would have been top 3.

[fleet]

Neglected to list the forced fumble by tour de force Carter

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[fleet]

Come on man

rams have one of the worst pass blocking interiors in the league. putrid

Come on man

[panthermark]

Just to be clear, this year's NFC title game is going to feature:

*The Pro-Bowl DT Poles passed on for locker room concerns in 2023. He was there for us at #9, but we traded back one spot with Philly to be safe.

*The HC we passed on because...I don't know...Trace, George, Poles thought Flus was better?

*The OC we passed on because...I don't know, Poles and Plus (and maybe Warren and probably Trace) thought Shane Waldron was better?

*The #2 selection Pro-Bowl QB Poles passed on without even interviewing. Bears had the #1 pick. JD goes #2.


When I look at that, it really makes me question how Ryan Poles is still here. I guess to me it feels like Ryan Poles is no better at team building than any average Bears fan walking down the street. I don't want to hear "at the time, no one could blame him", because the end result after 3 years is no drafted Pro-Bowlers, no winning records, not play-off games, and record setting losing streaks. Damn near anyone can take a capped out 6-11 team, and turn into a 5-12 team after 3 years.

We just have to hope they get it right in the next few days and weeks, but I don't have much faith based on recent history.

[fleet]

No one is questioning his talent. If his character wasn’t an issue he would have been top 3.

There’s a reason Howie Roseman is Howie Roseman, and some other guys are not.

[dice]

Come on man

rams have one of the worst pass blocking interiors in the league. putrid

Come on man

hey, you just go with whatever suits your narrative. speak up every time carter has a big game. OR you can be intellectually honest and look at the bigger picture. like this:

2024

dexter 39 pressures in 356 pass snaps (11.0%) carter 53 in 541 (9.8%)
carter 36 hurries (6.7%), dexter 19 (5.3%)
dexter 6 sacks, carter 5 sacks
dexter 39.5 tackles, carter 32.5
carter 27 stops, dexter 24
dexter 14 hits, carter 12
carter 6 batted, dexter 2
carter 2 FF, dexter 0
carter 74 PFF, dexter 70

there has been no bigger critic of ryan poles around here than me. but i have no problem giving him credit where due. carter's market value was what it was for a reason. trading down, taking OT in rd. 1 instead of DT, and taking a DT w/ the additional acquired pick later in the draft is usually the smart move. and this was no exception. DESPITE carter being a stud on his best behavior

[dice]

No one is questioning his talent. If his character wasn’t an issue he would have been top 3.

There’s a reason Howie Roseman is Howie Roseman, and some other guys are not.

losing trades to ryan poles? how can you like darnell wright but not the trade?

[dice]

Neglected to list the forced fumble by tour de force Carter

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3rd of the year!

[dougthonus]

No one is questioning his talent. If his character wasn’t an issue he would have been top 3.

I really wanted Carter that year, because I thought he was getting dinged over something unrelated to his likely performance on a team. Was there anything to the character issues outside of the tragic accident when he was drag racing?

To me, it's the type of thing that is likely life changing for him and not likely to occur again, nor is it related to his football work ethic or how he is with teammates.

FWIW, to my knowledge nothing meaningful has anything come up with him as a character issue in Philly either. A quick search on the topic has me finding a shop lifting incident that was a misunderstanding, some social media beef with a guy on another team, and him being late to a team meeting, which overall doesn't seem like a grand list of things I'd be concerned about for a pro bowl talent guy.

[Dresden]

Man I hope BUF wins this game. All the other 3 teams I wanted to win this weekend have lost. Gimme one at least.

[panthermark]

rams have one of the worst pass blocking interiors in the league. putrid

Come on man

hey, you just go with whatever suits your narrative. speak up every time carter has a big game. OR you can be intellectually honest and look at the bigger picture. like this:

2024

dexter 39 pressures in 356 pass snaps (11.0%) carter 53 in 541 (9.8%)
carter 36 hurries (6.7%), dexter 19 (5.3%)
dexter 6 sacks, carter 5 sacks
dexter 39.5 tackles, carter 32.5
carter 27 stops, dexter 24
dexter 14 hits, carter 12
carter 6 batted, dexter 2
carter 2 FF, dexter 0
carter 74 PFF, dexter 70

there has been no bigger critic of ryan poles around here than me. but i have no problem giving him credit where due. carter's market value was what it was for a reason. trading down, taking OT in rd. 1 instead of DT, and taking a DT w/ the additional acquired pick later in the draft is usually the smart move. and this was no exception. DESPITE carter being a stud on his best behavior

I don't understand this particular comparison. The trade was the 2023 #9 for the 2023 #10 and a 2024 4th rounder.
The swap was Wright and the 2024 4th rounder for Carter.
What does Dexter have to do with it?
You are making it Wright and Dexter vs Carter instead of Wright and the 2024 4th rounder vs Carter.

If you want to bring in Dexter, with Wright you need to either assume we didn't draft Dex (if Carter was drafted) and would have went with another player (OL), or we drafted Dexter as well (with Carter) and didn't draft Pickens.

[dice]

Come on man

hey, you just go with whatever suits your narrative. speak up every time carter has a big game. OR you can be intellectually honest and look at the bigger picture. like this:

2024

dexter 39 pressures in 356 pass snaps (11.0%) carter 53 in 541 (9.8%)
carter 36 hurries (6.7%), dexter 19 (5.3%)
dexter 6 sacks, carter 5 sacks
dexter 39.5 tackles, carter 32.5
carter 27 stops, dexter 24
dexter 14 hits, carter 12
carter 6 batted, dexter 2
carter 2 FF, dexter 0
carter 74 PFF, dexter 70

there has been no bigger critic of ryan poles around here than me. but i have no problem giving him credit where due. carter's market value was what it was for a reason. trading down, taking OT in rd. 1 instead of DT, and taking a DT w/ the additional acquired pick later in the draft is usually the smart move. and this was no exception. DESPITE carter being a stud on his best behavior

I don't understand this particular comparison. The trade was the 2023 #9 for the 2023 #10 and a 2024 4th rounder.
The swap was Wright and the 2024 4th rounder for Carter.
What does Dexter have to do with it?
You are making it Wright and Dexter vs Carter instead of Wright and the 2024 4th rounder vs Carter.

If you want to bring in Dexter, with Wright you need to either assume we didn't draft Dex (if Carter was drafted) and would have went with another player (OL), or we drafted Dexter as well (with Carter) and didn't draft Pickens.

i got the trade botched. my bad. still like the decision to take OT there and DT later. DON'T like the decision to draft a damn punter

if they took carter, it is likely they would have still taken dexter and stevenson

[dice]

No one is questioning his talent. If his character wasn’t an issue he would have been top 3.

I really wanted Carter that year, because I thought he was getting dinged over something unrelated to his likely performance on a team. Was there anything to the character issues outside of the tragic accident when he was drag racing?

To me, it's the type of thing that is likely life changing for him and not likely to occur again, nor is it related to his football work ethic or how he is with teammates.

FWIW, to my knowledge nothing meaningful has anything come up with him as a character issue in Philly either. A quick search on the topic has me finding a shop lifting incident that was a misunderstanding, some social media beef with a guy on another team, and him being late to a team meeting, which overall doesn't seem like a grand list of things I'd be concerned about for a pro bowl talent guy.

hey, maybe philly promised to draft him if he didn't get behind the wheel for the length of his deal!

[dougthonus]

hey, maybe philly promised to draft him if he didn't get behind the wheel for the length of his deal!

I suspect instead they overlooked something that almost certainly would not matter and took the guy with an overwhelming amount of talent relative to everyone else on the board, and 2 years later the thing that would almost certainly not matter doesn't and the overwhelming amount of talent does which is what I (and many many others) would have predicted.