The Tim Connelly Thread (prev./still Fire Him)

[Klomp]

Sorry to bring up the Towns trade, but I was trying to consider Tim Connelly’s motivations.

When people see a problem, they tend to see the solution in through their own personal view. For example, if there is a problem in a foreign country, a general tends to see military solutions, an ambassador sees diplomatic solutions, etc. Do you think Connelly saw the huge restrictions that the new apron rules would bring, and thought, “We need to get off Towns’ contract to untie my hands for the future?”

I absolutely think the apron is a big part of it.

I would also say that on paper, they didn't see a huge drop-off from Towns to Randle. The Knicks were in a point of weakness to where they were willing to offer DiVincenzo (who has a lot of support in the Timberwolves front office and is on a very cap-friendly contract). That's why the timing was so untraditional, because they felt the value was too good to pass up.

So because of the apron and not perceiving a huge drop-off at PF, they felt it was worth it to add an asset of DiVincenzo's caliber.

Obviously the start of the year has not gone as expected, but that's why having flexibility was so important. What if the same thing happened without the trade? How would we be feeling right now?

[winforlose]

Sorry to bring up the Towns trade, but I was trying to consider Tim Connelly’s motivations.

When people see a problem, they tend to see the solution in through their own personal view. For example, if there is a problem in a foreign country, a general tends to see military solutions, an ambassador sees diplomatic solutions, etc. Do you think Connelly saw the huge restrictions that the new apron rules would bring, and thought, “We need to get off Towns’ contract to untie my hands for the future?”

I absolutely think the apron is a big part of it.

I would also say that on paper, they didn't see a huge drop-off from Towns to Randle. The Knicks were in a point of weakness to where they were willing to offer DiVincenzo (who has a lot of support in the Timberwolves front office and is on a very cap-friendly contract). That's why the timing was so untraditional, because they felt the value was too good to pass up.

So because of the apron and not perceiving a huge drop-off at PF, they felt it was worth it to add an asset of DiVincenzo's caliber.

Obviously the start of the year has not gone as expected, but that's why having flexibility was so important. What if the same thing happened without the trade? How would we be feeling right now?

Everyone talks about the money, I think that may be part of it, but I think the much bigger issue was availability. Karl spent TCs first summer VERY sick. So sick that he reported significantly under weight and with poor cardio. Then by the time he got close to being back in reasonable shape he gets the soft tissue injury, heals slower than expected, and comes back less than 100% for the playoffs. Follow that up with a late season injury in 23/24 and almost missing the playoffs again. Followed by an aggravation of the knee in the playoffs. TC probably didn’t see Karl as a worthwhile investment.

[Klomp]

Sorry to bring up the Towns trade, but I was trying to consider Tim Connelly’s motivations.

When people see a problem, they tend to see the solution in through their own personal view. For example, if there is a problem in a foreign country, a general tends to see military solutions, an ambassador sees diplomatic solutions, etc. Do you think Connelly saw the huge restrictions that the new apron rules would bring, and thought, “We need to get off Towns’ contract to untie my hands for the future?”

I absolutely think the apron is a big part of it.

I would also say that on paper, they didn't see a huge drop-off from Towns to Randle. The Knicks were in a point of weakness to where they were willing to offer DiVincenzo (who has a lot of support in the Timberwolves front office and is on a very cap-friendly contract). That's why the timing was so untraditional, because they felt the value was too good to pass up.

So because of the apron and not perceiving a huge drop-off at PF, they felt it was worth it to add an asset of DiVincenzo's caliber.

Obviously the start of the year has not gone as expected, but that's why having flexibility was so important. What if the same thing happened without the trade? How would we be feeling right now?

Everyone talks about the money, I think that may be part of it, but I think the much bigger issue was availability. Karl spent TCs first summer VERY sick. So sick that he reported significantly under weight and with poor cardio. Then by the time he got close to being back in reasonable shape he gets the soft tissue injury, heals slower than expected, and comes back less than 100% for the playoffs. Follow that up with a late season injury in 23/24 and almost missing the playoffs again. Followed by an aggravation of the knee in the playoffs. TC probably didn’t see Karl as a worthwhile investment.

...especially not at that price point.

[winforlose]

I absolutely think the apron is a big part of it.

I would also say that on paper, they didn't see a huge drop-off from Towns to Randle. The Knicks were in a point of weakness to where they were willing to offer DiVincenzo (who has a lot of support in the Timberwolves front office and is on a very cap-friendly contract). That's why the timing was so untraditional, because they felt the value was too good to pass up.

So because of the apron and not perceiving a huge drop-off at PF, they felt it was worth it to add an asset of DiVincenzo's caliber.

Obviously the start of the year has not gone as expected, but that's why having flexibility was so important. What if the same thing happened without the trade? How would we be feeling right now?

Everyone talks about the money, I think that may be part of it, but I think the much bigger issue was availability. Karl spent TCs first summer VERY sick. So sick that he reported significantly under weight and with poor cardio. Then by the time he got close to being back in reasonable shape he gets the soft tissue injury, heals slower than expected, and comes back less than 100% for the playoffs. Follow that up with a late season injury in 23/24 and almost missing the playoffs again. Followed by an aggravation of the knee in the playoffs. TC probably didn’t see Karl as a worthwhile investment.

...especially not at that price point.

Yeah, but also in that role. Keeping KAT keeps Naz on the bench and I think TC plans to move Randle to promote Naz. It also makes it hard to get a backup C. Karl going full time PF pushes Naz to the 3 more and that has its own complications. The problem isn’t moving Karl, it is we got back for Karl that is a problem. We needed more draft capital to give us more room for side deals, and we needed a more balanced roster. Moving Karl without getting a C2 back was inexcusably bad.

[Folklore]

Sorry to bring up the Towns trade, but I was trying to consider Tim Connelly’s motivations.

When people see a problem, they tend to see the solution in through their own personal view. For example, if there is a problem in a foreign country, a general tends to see military solutions, an ambassador sees diplomatic solutions, etc. Do you think Connelly saw the huge restrictions that the new apron rules would bring, and thought, “We need to get off Towns’ contract to untie my hands for the future?”

I absolutely think the apron is a big part of it.

I would also say that on paper, they didn't see a huge drop-off from Towns to Randle. The Knicks were in a point of weakness to where they were willing to offer DiVincenzo (who has a lot of support in the Timberwolves front office and is on a very cap-friendly contract). That's why the timing was so untraditional, because they felt the value was too good to pass up.

So because of the apron and not perceiving a huge drop-off at PF, they felt it was worth it to add an asset of DiVincenzo's caliber.

Obviously the start of the year has not gone as expected, but that's why having flexibility was so important. What if the same thing happened without the trade? How would we be feeling right now?

Everyone talks about the money, I think that may be part of it, but I think the much bigger issue was availability. Karl spent TCs first summer VERY sick. So sick that he reported significantly under weight and with poor cardio. Then by the time he got close to being back in reasonable shape he gets the soft tissue injury, heals slower than expected, and comes back less than 100% for the playoffs. Follow that up with a late season injury in 23/24 and almost missing the playoffs again. Followed by an aggravation of the knee in the playoffs. TC probably didn’t see Karl as a worthwhile investment.

Others before this comment felt like a bunch of excuses.

TC having a problem with Towns health should not have been enough for him to sell him for so cheap. It was pointed out that even though he was going to be on his new contract with the inflation of that cap it wouldn't have looked so bad. Zion, as injury prone as he is, would have gotten more than what TC got for Towns. Jimmy will get the heat more. We've already seen what happens when you make moves too early with Thibs. TC traded for Rudy early then later in the season we had many more options available if we would have waited like Loauri Markk. Detroit was a team to Trade Rudy to last year when they were trash and was taking on Large contracts and they had expiring's. If he was such a great GM and not just in it for himself he would have realized that Rudy shouldn't have stayed and the window was only Last year to win a championship. TC can't admit his mistake and too many are alright with his painting over his mistakes. TC is so nearsighted its crazy.

[winforlose]

I absolutely think the apron is a big part of it.

I would also say that on paper, they didn't see a huge drop-off from Towns to Randle. The Knicks were in a point of weakness to where they were willing to offer DiVincenzo (who has a lot of support in the Timberwolves front office and is on a very cap-friendly contract). That's why the timing was so untraditional, because they felt the value was too good to pass up.

So because of the apron and not perceiving a huge drop-off at PF, they felt it was worth it to add an asset of DiVincenzo's caliber.

Obviously the start of the year has not gone as expected, but that's why having flexibility was so important. What if the same thing happened without the trade? How would we be feeling right now?

Everyone talks about the money, I think that may be part of it, but I think the much bigger issue was availability. Karl spent TCs first summer VERY sick. So sick that he reported significantly under weight and with poor cardio. Then by the time he got close to being back in reasonable shape he gets the soft tissue injury, heals slower than expected, and comes back less than 100% for the playoffs. Follow that up with a late season injury in 23/24 and almost missing the playoffs again. Followed by an aggravation of the knee in the playoffs. TC probably didn’t see Karl as a worthwhile investment.

Others before this comment felt like a bunch of excuses.

TC having a problem with Towns health should not have been enough for him to sell him for so cheap. It was pointed out that even though he was going to be on his new contract with the inflation of that cap it wouldn't have looked so bad. Zion, as injury prone as he is, would have gotten more than what TC got for Towns. Jimmy will get the heat more. We've already seen what happens when you make moves too early with Thibs. TC traded for Rudy early then later in the season we had many more options available if we would have waited like Loauri Markk. Detroit was a team to Trade Rudy to last year when they were trash and was taking on Large contracts and they had expiring's. If he was such a great GM and not just in it for himself he would have realized that Rudy shouldn't have stayed and the window was only Last year to win a championship. TC can't admit his mistake and too many are alright with his painting over his mistakes. TC is so nearsighted its crazy.

Everything I heard/read said that TC badly wanted DDV. He tried to get him in free agency, and when he failed he made it clear to NYK that any KAT deals begins with DDV. If this is true it begs the question, how valuable is DDV on his contract compared to KAT on his. I think the issue (as I mentioned above,) is the roster balance. Karl was filling a lot of roles for us. He wasn’t just a shooter, he was C2, important defensively, a strong offensive presence from a gravity perspective (teams had to either double him or assign their rotations to help as soon as he caught the ball,) and it just made a lot of things work.

I also think Karl’s biggest and most underrated asset was his ego. He had the mindset that when he needs to be the guy he will, but he was also okay not being him. Ant doesn’t develop this quickly without Karl having a mindset of okay, I don’t need to lead the team in shots, and I don’t need to lead the team in usage. That mindset also translated extremely well to the locker room. Guys knew Karl cared about winning enough to sacrifice. Rudy especially was so welcomed by Karl it is almost impossible to have a bad attitude when things weren’t clicking. I mean if Karl is going this far out of his way for me (Rudy,) can I really complain?

DDV does a lot of things well, but he cannot wear all of Karl’s hats. We have seen DDV play very poorly, and very well this season. We have seen be the bench energy guy, the bench scoring guy, and now a 20+ PPG starter. We won’t know how badly we miss Karl and how bad the trade really was long term until we finish the deal by moving Randle and restoring balance to the roster. But yes, the initial trade did not return nearly enough value. Especially when you have guys like Bridges getting 5 picks, DJM getting 2 and a prospect like Daniels, ect… Karl’s money might have made a trade like that more difficult, but I definitely think we overpaid for DDV and should never have taken back Randle.

[younggunsmn]

Sorry to bring up the Towns trade, but I was trying to consider Tim Connelly’s motivations.

When people see a problem, they tend to see the solution in through their own personal view. For example, if there is a problem in a foreign country, a general tends to see military solutions, an ambassador sees diplomatic solutions, etc. Do you think Connelly saw the huge restrictions that the new apron rules would bring, and thought, “We need to get off Towns’ contract to untie my hands for the future?”

I absolutely think the apron is a big part of it.

I would also say that on paper, they didn't see a huge drop-off from Towns to Randle. The Knicks were in a point of weakness to where they were willing to offer DiVincenzo (who has a lot of support in the Timberwolves front office and is on a very cap-friendly contract). That's why the timing was so untraditional, because they felt the value was too good to pass up.

So because of the apron and not perceiving a huge drop-off at PF, they felt it was worth it to add an asset of DiVincenzo's caliber.

Obviously the start of the year has not gone as expected, but that's why having flexibility was so important. What if the same thing happened without the trade? How would we be feeling right now?

Future money is part of it, but IMHO TC made that trade thinking it was actually a good basketball move.
Which was a horrible misjudgement.
Then he gave an aging Rudy Gobert a 110 million extension. Which was also a horrible misjudgement.

He inherited 2 of the most dynamically talented offensive players at their positions in the last 20 years in KAT and ANT.
And what was his first big move?
Build around that?
Add incredibly high IQ and skilled offensive players around them?
Nope.
He traded away a half decades worth of draft picks to stick the biggest least skilled guy he could find in the middle of the paint as a roadblock to both.
Then he asked KAT to cut his game in half to make that guy feel comfortable.

He not only took back a big contract in Randle that actively is making the team worse every time he steps on the court, he took back a guy who isn't even an inspiring contract, who if he opts in is going to eat up most of our remaining room under the luxury tax next summer.

Divencenzo is a really nice role player.
The draft pick may actually convey now and we might get a pick in the teens sometime in the next 3 years.

But that trade will be a colossal failure if KAT plays in even half of his games over the next 4 years.

And the only excuse to make a trade that lopsidedly bad is if you think KAT has a degenerative condition in the knees or something that is going to cause him to miss more than half the games over the next 4 years.
And I see nothing to support that assumption.

TC is just a really bad judge of player value and trade value.
The one good move he did was get rid of Deangelo Russell instead of paying him, but 90% of the board would have made that same decision.

There's the awful KAT trade.
The awful value in the Gobert trade and his awful fit with basically every offensive player we've tried to put around him.
The awful value of trading 2 future 2nd round picks to move up from 29 to 26 for Wendell Moore Jr who isnt even an NBA player.
The Gobert extension which is looking terrible.
The McDaniels extension which is underwater so far.

There is just so much more bad than good since TC arrived here.

[Guest84]

Sorry to bring up the Towns trade, but I was trying to consider Tim Connelly’s motivations.

When people see a problem, they tend to see the solution in through their own personal view. For example, if there is a problem in a foreign country, a general tends to see military solutions, an ambassador sees diplomatic solutions, etc. Do you think Connelly saw the huge restrictions that the new apron rules would bring, and thought, “We need to get off Towns’ contract to untie my hands for the future?”

I absolutely think the apron is a big part of it.

I would also say that on paper, they didn't see a huge drop-off from Towns to Randle. The Knicks were in a point of weakness to where they were willing to offer DiVincenzo (who has a lot of support in the Timberwolves front office and is on a very cap-friendly contract). That's why the timing was so untraditional, because they felt the value was too good to pass up.

So because of the apron and not perceiving a huge drop-off at PF, they felt it was worth it to add an asset of DiVincenzo's caliber.

Obviously the start of the year has not gone as expected, but that's why having flexibility was so important. What if the same thing happened without the trade? How would we be feeling right now?

Future money is part of it, but IMHO TC made that trade thinking it was actually a good basketball move.
Which was a horrible misjudgement.
Then he gave an aging Rudy Gobert a 110 million extension. Which was also a horrible misjudgement.

He inherited 2 of the most dynamically talented offensive players at their positions in the last 20 years in KAT and ANT.
And what was his first big move?
Build around that?
Add incredibly high IQ and skilled offensive players around them?
Nope.
He traded away a half decades worth of draft picks to stick the biggest least skilled guy he could find in the middle of the paint as a roadblock to both.
Then he asked KAT to cut his game in half to make that guy feel comfortable.

He not only took back a big contract in Randle that actively is making the team worse every time he steps on the court, he took back a guy who isn't even an inspiring contract, who if he opts in is going to eat up most of our remaining room under the luxury tax next summer.

Divencenzo is a really nice role player.
The draft pick may actually convey now and we might get a pick in the teens sometime in the next 3 years.

But that trade will be a colossal failure if KAT plays in even half of his games over the next 4 years.

And the only excuse to make a trade that lopsidedly bad is if you think KAT has a degenerative condition in the knees or something that is going to cause him to miss more than half the games over the next 4 years.
And I see nothing to support that assumption.

TC is just a really bad judge of player value and trade value.
The one good move he did was get rid of Deangelo Russell instead of paying him, but 90% of the board would have made that same decision.

There's the awful KAT trade.
The awful value in the Gobert trade and his awful fit with basically every offensive player we've tried to put around him.
The awful value of trading 2 future 2nd round picks to move up from 29 to 26 for Wendell Moore Jr who isnt even an NBA player.
The Gobert extension which is looking terrible.
The McDaniels extension which is underwater so far.

There is just so much more bad than good since TC arrived here.

Valid points...

[guest81]

Sorry to bring up the Towns trade, but I was trying to consider Tim Connelly’s motivations.

When people see a problem, they tend to see the solution in through their own personal view. For example, if there is a problem in a foreign country, a general tends to see military solutions, an ambassador sees diplomatic solutions, etc. Do you think Connelly saw the huge restrictions that the new apron rules would bring, and thought, “We need to get off Towns’ contract to untie my hands for the future?”

I absolutely think the apron is a big part of it.

I would also say that on paper, they didn't see a huge drop-off from Towns to Randle. The Knicks were in a point of weakness to where they were willing to offer DiVincenzo (who has a lot of support in the Timberwolves front office and is on a very cap-friendly contract). That's why the timing was so untraditional, because they felt the value was too good to pass up.

So because of the apron and not perceiving a huge drop-off at PF, they felt it was worth it to add an asset of DiVincenzo's caliber.

Obviously the start of the year has not gone as expected, but that's why having flexibility was so important. What if the same thing happened without the trade? How would we be feeling right now?

Future money is part of it, but IMHO TC made that trade thinking it was actually a good basketball move.
Which was a horrible misjudgement.
Then he gave an aging Rudy Gobert a 110 million extension. Which was also a horrible misjudgement.

He inherited 2 of the most dynamically talented offensive players at their positions in the last 20 years in KAT and ANT.
And what was his first big move?
Build around that?
Add incredibly high IQ and skilled offensive players around them?
Nope.
He traded away a half decades worth of draft picks to stick the biggest least skilled guy he could find in the middle of the paint as a roadblock to both.
Then he asked KAT to cut his game in half to make that guy feel comfortable.

He not only took back a big contract in Randle that actively is making the team worse every time he steps on the court, he took back a guy who isn't even an inspiring contract, who if he opts in is going to eat up most of our remaining room under the luxury tax next summer.

Divencenzo is a really nice role player.
The draft pick may actually convey now and we might get a pick in the teens sometime in the next 3 years.

But that trade will be a colossal failure if KAT plays in even half of his games over the next 4 years.

And the only excuse to make a trade that lopsidedly bad is if you think KAT has a degenerative condition in the knees or something that is going to cause him to miss more than half the games over the next 4 years.
And I see nothing to support that assumption.

TC is just a really bad judge of player value and trade value.
The one good move he did was get rid of Deangelo Russell instead of paying him, but 90% of the board would have made that same decision.

There's the awful KAT trade.
The awful value in the Gobert trade and his awful fit with basically every offensive player we've tried to put around him.
The awful value of trading 2 future 2nd round picks to move up from 29 to 26 for Wendell Moore Jr who isnt even an NBA player.
The Gobert extension which is looking terrible.
The McDaniels extension which is underwater so far.

There is just so much more bad than good since TC arrived here.

If KAT plays half the games at 60 million, the wolves won the trade

[FrenchMinnyFan]

I think people forget easily that KAT never show he could carry the team to a championship level. I like it but I'm still convince that a duo KAT- ANT will not be good enough to win. ANT is not mature yet and KAT never up his level enough in PO to make it happen.

I agree on the fact that resigning Rudy at this price, considering how bad he is on offense is a mistake.
I also agree that the return we got on KAT trade is awful. Randle is not playing any defense, DDV is not consistent even if he play much better as a starter.

[WolfAddict]

I think people forget easily that KAT never show he could carry the team to a championship level. I like it but I'm still convince that a duo KAT- ANT will not be good enough to win. ANT is not mature yet and KAT never up his level enough in PO to make it happen.

I agree on the fact that resigning Rudy at this price, considering how bad he is on offense is a mistake.
I also agree that the return we got on KAT trade is awful. Randle is not playing any defense, DDV is not consistent even if he play much better as a starter.

And the solution to this was Randle?

For all of KATs faults, he had astronomically higher odds of winning here than Randle ever had/has.

[guest81]

I think people forget easily that KAT never show he could carry the team to a championship level. I like it but I'm still convince that a duo KAT- ANT will not be good enough to win. ANT is not mature yet and KAT never up his level enough in PO to make it happen.

I agree on the fact that resigning Rudy at this price, considering how bad he is on offense is a mistake.
I also agree that the return we got on KAT trade is awful. Randle is not playing any defense, DDV is not consistent even if he play much better as a starter.

And the solution to this was Randle?

For all of KATs faults, he had astronomically higher odds of winning here than Randle ever had/has.

Randle isn't here long term. Kat is signed through 2028 at 61 million. Do you not understand the difference?

[WolfAddict]

I think people forget easily that KAT never show he could carry the team to a championship level. I like it but I'm still convince that a duo KAT- ANT will not be good enough to win. ANT is not mature yet and KAT never up his level enough in PO to make it happen.

I agree on the fact that resigning Rudy at this price, considering how bad he is on offense is a mistake.
I also agree that the return we got on KAT trade is awful. Randle is not playing any defense, DDV is not consistent even if he play much better as a starter.

And the solution to this was Randle?

For all of KATs faults, he had astronomically higher odds of winning here than Randle ever had/has.

Randle isn't here long term. Kat is signed through 2028 at 61 million. Do you not understand the difference?

To be fair though, you're guessing whether Randle is here long term...

I can only go on the information in front of me, and that is Randle was the replacement for KAT - If he gets traded, well that's great, but if not, we're a worse team who won't even sniff a championship

[FrenchMinnyFan]

And the solution to this was Randle?

For all of KATs faults, he had astronomically higher odds of winning here than Randle ever had/has.

Randle isn't here long term. Kat is signed through 2028 at 61 million. Do you not understand the difference?

To be fair though, you're guessing whether Randle is here long term...

I can only go on the information in front of me, and that is Randle was the replacement for KAT - If he gets traded, well that's great, but if not, we're a worse team who won't even sniff a championship

That's my point. TC make a mistake ( except for the money side) . Find a way to correct it. Randle is killing our chance.

[winforlose]

And the solution to this was Randle?

For all of KATs faults, he had astronomically higher odds of winning here than Randle ever had/has.

Randle isn't here long term. Kat is signed through 2028 at 61 million. Do you not understand the difference?

To be fair though, you're guessing whether Randle is here long term...

I can only go on the information in front of me, and that is Randle was the replacement for KAT - If he gets traded, well that's great, but if not, we're a worse team who won't even sniff a championship

There is also information that the Wolves are active in trade negotiations and trying to move Randle. Naz plays the same position, and did so very well last year after KAT went down. Honestly I think the fan base would be more surprised if Randle wasn’t moved this season, rather than if he was.

[Baseline81]

That's my point. TC make a mistake ( except for the money side) . Find a way to correct it. Randle is killing our chance.

The crux of your argument falls flat when you factor in Randle's worth. You aren't going to "correct it" as you say by trading a player with such deflated value.

No matter which way you come from, the trade was a colossal failure by Connelly and Finch. Yes, I place Finch in there because no way, no how did he not have input.

[TimberKat]

The "Connelly" trade so far is:

Out: Towns + DLo + Five 1st (mostly unprotected, 3 more to go)

In: Gobert + Randle + Conley + DDV + NAW + One 1st ( heavily protected) + Three 2nd

Actually, some of you wanted this trade before it happened due to Towns' injury or perceived play-off failure. Any more "trading down" or "trade older" would look very bad at this point.

We know Ant or Towns alone isn't going to get anywhere. More role players isn't going to help. Randle, DDV, and Dilly are starting to play better. Unless a trade brings in an all star, the best option is to let the next two seasons play out rather than start the vicious rebuild cycle again.

[Folklore]

The "Connelly" trade so far is:

Out: Towns + DLo + Five 1st (mostly unprotected, 3 more to go)

In: Gobert + Randle + Conley + DDV + NAW + One 1st ( heavily protected) + Three 2nd

Actually, some of you wanted this trade before it happened due to Towns' injury or perceived play-off failure. Any more "trading down" or "trade older" would look very bad at this point.

We know Ant or Towns alone isn't going to get anywhere. More role players isn't going to help. Randle, DDV, and Dilly are starting to play better. Unless a trade brings in an all star, the best option is to let the next two seasons play out rather than start the vicious rebuild cycle again.

Are you trying to miss the point on why people were saying we should trade Towns on purpose? When that was said we expected players back that would make us better in the long run along ANT age and as a last resort. Not trade him for a bag of chips.


There are no two players that will get any team anywhere without very good role payers and team chemistry. And those two things are something that TC is very good at destroying with his trades.

We no longer have money to keep our talent and we now have to pray that Randle's family hates it here so they decide to leave lol I'm not sure what you think this team will look like by next season but I'm sure many will realize that the team should have just blown it up if Randle stays because teams will keep players of value and get rid of those who cost too much and those players probably won't fit this team.

[guest81]

The "Connelly" trade so far is:

Out: Towns + DLo + Five 1st (mostly unprotected, 3 more to go)

In: Gobert + Randle + Conley + DDV + NAW + One 1st ( heavily protected) + Three 2nd

Actually, some of you wanted this trade before it happened due to Towns' injury or perceived play-off failure. Any more "trading down" or "trade older" would look very bad at this point.

We know Ant or Towns alone isn't going to get anywhere. More role players isn't going to help. Randle, DDV, and Dilly are starting to play better. Unless a trade brings in an all star, the best option is to let the next two seasons play out rather than start the vicious rebuild cycle again.

Are you trying to miss the point on why people were saying we should trade Towns on purpose? When that was said we expected players back that would make us better in the long run along ANT age and as a last resort. Not trade him for a bag of chips.


There are no two players that will get any team anywhere without very good role payers and team chemistry. And those two things are something that TC is very good at destroying with his trades.

We no longer have money to keep our talent and we now have to pray that Randle's family hates it here so they decide to leave lol I'm not sure what you think this team will look like by next season but I'm sure many will realize that the team should have just blown it up if Randle stays because teams will keep players of value and get rid of those who cost too much and those players probably won't fit this team.

Wolves had no way of resigning Naz or naw if they kept kat. If Randle opts out then the wolves have money to sign both. Wolves have ddv signed longterm on a great contract

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That's my point. TC make a mistake ( except for the money side) . Find a way to correct it. Randle is killing our chance.

The crux of your argument falls flat when you factor in Randle's worth. You aren't going to "correct it" as you say by trading a player with such deflated value.

No matter which way you come from, the trade was a colossal failure by Connelly and Finch. Yes, I place Finch in there because no way, no how did he not have input.

Wolves with kat would of been a repeater 2nd apron team that peaked last year. Kats value was as high as it was going to get. Tell me what moves you would make if the wolves ran it back and lost in the second round and KAT was bad again?