Bulls @ Blazers 8pm CT Jan. 19 2025

Dan Z · Post #81 » by **Dan Z** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:31 am

FriedRise wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
FriedRise wrote:Why did they wait this long to start tanking? Losing to all these bottom teams when you have 5-10+ more wins than them already is a dumb strategy.

I think they actually thought this team would win enough games to make the playoffs. Or at least hoped they would.

I agree..pick a lane and go for it. In this case keep the pick and rebuild.

The version of the Bulls to start the season did have a chance to win enough games to make the playoffs. Fast pace, share the ball, tons of 3s. They've gone away from all of that completely to whatever this is, and without the defense, they're just not gonna be able to score enough to beat anybody. Right now, every team knows that if they just attack the basket, they'll probably go to the line (a lot) and win the game.

I'm not sure why they went away from that. Maybe teams figured them out a bit?

The reality is that it's not a good team and the front office needs to move in a new direction.

PDXKnight · Post #82 » by **PDXKnight** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:32 am

Dan Z wrote:
FriedRise wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
I think they actually thought this team would win enough games to make the playoffs. Or at least hoped they would.

I agree..pick a lane and go for it. In this case keep the pick and rebuild.

The version of the Bulls to start the season did have a chance to win enough games to make the playoffs. Fast pace, share the ball, tons of 3s. They've gone away from all of that completely to whatever this is, and without the defense, they're just not gonna be able to score enough to beat anybody. Right now, every team knows that if they just attack the basket, they'll probably go to the line (a lot) and win the game.

I'm not sure why they went away from that. Maybe teams figured them out a bit?

The reality is that it's not a good team and the front office needs to move in a new direction.

Boy as a blazer fan does this statement resonate with me. Best of luck this season, hopefully both teams figure out where they are supposed to go at some point

Post #83 » by **HomoSapien** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:33 am

At least the trade chatter some what woke Pat up, I guess.

kodo · Post #84 » by **kodo** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:33 am

Giddey should have been benched earlier tonight, but just a couple of games ago vs the Pels he had 13 rebounds & 12 assists, 4 steals and a block. Plenty of hustle and impact on that game. He'll have good & bad games.

Patrick hasn't shown a pulse all season and there isn't much reason to glue Buzelis to the bench in favor of him.

Guru · Post #85 » by **Guru** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:33 am

FriedRise wrote:Zach and Vooch gotta be in on the tank, no? Their ticket outta here isn't to keep helping the Bulls win, because AK will never make that trade if the team is still squarely in the play-in range.

They already have the numbers for the season, so now they just gotta keep playing starter minutes and stay healthy.

This is not what was happening. They weren't trying to tank, they were test driving whether or not the team could be solid in the playoffs and now there is a ton of evidence that they can't and they will trade off Vuc-Craig-Ball? and Carter and possibly Giddey at this point.

Lavine stays because they can't get what they want for him in a trade and he speeds up the rebuild.

Dan Z · Post #86 » by **Dan Z** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:35 am

PDXKnight wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
FriedRise wrote:
The version of the Bulls to start the season did have a chance to win enough games to make the playoffs. Fast pace, share the ball, tons of 3s. They've gone away from all of that completely to whatever this is, and without the defense, they're just not gonna be able to score enough to beat anybody. Right now, every team knows that if they just attack the basket, they'll probably go to the line (a lot) and win the game.

I'm not sure why they went away from that. Maybe teams figured them out a bit?

The reality is that it's not a good team and the front office needs to move in a new direction.

Boy as a blazer fan does this statement resonate with me. Best of luck this season, hopefully both teams figure out where they are supposed to go at some point

Thank you.

I'm not sure what the Blazers front office is like, but the Bulls FO has been stubborn and generally refuses to rebuild.

WindyCityBorn · Post #87 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:36 am

FriedRise wrote:Zach and Vooch gotta be in on the tank, no? Their ticket outta here isn't to keep helping the Bulls win, because AK will never make that trade if the team is still squarely in the play-in range.

They already have the numbers for the season, so now they just gotta keep playing starter minutes and stay healthy.

Zach isn’t going anywhere. Vuc is probably gone, but our FO is bad so you never know.

SirKaiser · Post #88 » by **SirKaiser** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:37 am

Honestly I dont mind Giddey playing poorly. I want to bring him back regardless, and if he tanks his value on a contract year, then that's great for us.

Bandit King · Post #89 » by **Bandit King** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:38 am

Refs were horrible in this game especially. The two ladies trying to be nba refs

MrSparkle · Post #90 » by **MrSparkle** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:38 am

Dan Z wrote:
FriedRise wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
I think they actually thought this team would win enough games to make the playoffs. Or at least hoped they would.

I agree..pick a lane and go for it. In this case keep the pick and rebuild.

The version of the Bulls to start the season did have a chance to win enough games to make the playoffs. Fast pace, share the ball, tons of 3s. They've gone away from all of that completely to whatever this is, and without the defense, they're just not gonna be able to score enough to beat anybody. Right now, every team knows that if they just attack the basket, they'll probably go to the line (a lot) and win the game.

I'm not sure why they went away from that. Maybe teams figured them out a bit?

The reality is that it's not a good team and the front office needs to move in a new direction.

It wasn't a sustainable strategy. The defense is the worst in the business, and Giddey doesn't shoot well enough to be a part of that chuck offense. With the streaky way Pat, Vuc and Coby shoot, and with no shooting specialists on the bench, we're suited to be a tank job with high-pace 3P offense, not the championship Warriors.

I still think that "thanks to it", we'll win the odd game here and there that we wouldn't have won last year. With this losing streak, we're coming back to earth (expected standings), but for a while there, we were atleast 4 games above Vegas odds.

Bandit King · Post #91 » by **Bandit King** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:38 am

Passive pat woke up at the end.

Indomitable · Post #92 » by **Indomitable** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:39 am

Guru wrote:
jordanwilliams6 wrote:I absolutely despise how Billy plays Matas. He has a solid first half and then gets played for a random 4 minute stretch in the second half?

It's not easy root for Billy D. I think he's a great coach, but this seems like a mismatch.

Billy is a great coach. Lol

greenwing · Post #93 » by **greenwing** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:39 am

I think the box score tells it all. Your starting power forward collected just three rebounds while theirs grabbed 12. Bulls lost this game not based on shooting, turnovers or free throws but simply because the other team had additional shooting opportunities.

WindyCityBorn · Post #94 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:39 am

Let’s keep our pick. I don’t care about winning anymore. The wheels are falling off. We will be 10 games under .500 very soon. What happened to this team?

Zach and Vuc are the only two players you can count on to not have completely awful games. The rest are a crapshoot. I think AK should be fired. He failed. Period.

Bandit King · Post #95 » by **Bandit King** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:40 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:Let’s keep our pick. I don’t care about anymore. The wheels are falling off. We will be 10 games under .500 very soon. What happened to this team?

They don't care about winning

Bandit King · Post #96 » by **Bandit King** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:41 am

Indomitable wrote:
Guru wrote:
jordanwilliams6 wrote:I absolutely despise how Billy plays Matas. He has a solid first half and then gets played for a random 4 minute stretch in the second half?

It's not easy root for Billy D. I think he's a great coach, but this seems like a mismatch.

Billy is a great coach. Lol

Billy is a decent coach

Indomitable · Post #97 » by **Indomitable** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:42 am

Bandit King wrote:
Indomitable wrote:
Guru wrote:
It's not easy root for Billy D. I think he's a great coach, but this seems like a mismatch.

Billy is a great coach. Lol

Billy is a decent coach

Billy is guy. He should not be reassured of any type of future.

There are coaches that actually won championships and had less rope given.

kodo · Post #98 » by **kodo** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:44 am

I thought this was going to be a big Patrick game because of the first 90 seconds. Then he didn't score again for the next 45 minutes until the game was over. He's such a weird guy.

Jcool0 · Post #99 » by **Jcool0** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:46 am

HomoSapien wrote:At least the trade chatter some what woke Pat up, I guess.

15 points 3 rebounds 2nd worst starter at -9 is waking up?

Post #100 » by **HomoSapien** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:50 am

Jcool0 wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:At least the trade chatter some what woke Pat up, I guess.

15 points 3 rebounds 2nd worst starter at -9 is waking up?

I said somewhat. And yes, for someone that has been comatose all season long it is.