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Post#661 » by therealbig3 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:04 am

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Cactus Jack wrote:No, I'm just teasing you.

Lamar sucks because he lost a game in the playoffs. Even though he led his team to the playoffs.

But the other guy gets a free pass.


Pointing out Lamar's subpar record both statistically and team success wise doesn't mean he sucks. He just generally doesn't elevate his game in playoffs.

We should be able evaluate players better than best/sucks absolutes.

No argument here.

I thought he played well. Not great. Yeah, the turnovers we're costly. But he did show up when it mattered most.


I think the hyperfocus on late game plays mattering more than early game plays doesn't make a lot of sense. It all matters. We just emphasize the late game plays so much because they HAD to be made, because the Ravens didn't execute well enough earlier in the game to avoid being in that situation. If they didn't turn the ball over twice and potentially leave anywhere from 6-14 points on the board in the 1st half, and didn't give up 7 points off one of those turnovers, which means it was really potentially a 13-21 point swing, who would freaking care that Andrews fumbled it, because his team would have been up by two TDs at that point? There would have been no 2 point attempt, because the Ravens would have put the game away at that point.

He played well. But I don't think people are being consistent. He didn't play like a multiple time MVP winner. He certainly played a level below what his standard in the RS has been.

I think playing well in the 2nd half while playing poorly in the 1st half is really no different than playing well in the 1st half and playing poorly in the 2nd half. In neither case did you show up when it mattered most, because what matters most is the whole game. You kind of showed up, which again, is not MVP level play.

It's weird that Jalen Hurts gets more scrutiny than Lamar Jackson, since Jackson is clearly the better, more accomplished player and should have way more expectations on him. But he had a Jalen Hurts-level game, and we're all trying to say he actually played great?
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Re: Divisional Round Thread 

Post#662 » by therealbig3 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:10 am

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This guy is such a moron, ugh.


LOL, let's ignore anything bad that Lamar Jackson did, but let's put ALL our attention on the bad things this other player did and say it was all his fault. That's not hypocritical at all.
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Re: Divisional Round Thread 

Post#663 » by Lakers In 5 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:38 am

therealbig3 wrote:
Demagoog wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
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This guy is such a moron, ugh.


LOL, let's ignore anything bad that Lamar Jackson did, but let's put ALL our attention on the bad things this other player did and say it was all his fault. That's not hypocritical at all.

Indeed. It's a team game, things are never as easy or black and white as it's this guys fault or that guys fault. Andrews made a mistake, just like Lamar did earlier. **** happens. I'm glad Lamar is such a terrific leader and immediately stepped up to take the heat.
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Re: Divisional Round Thread 

Post#664 » by atlantabbq99 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:49 am

Demagoog wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
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This guy is such a moron, ugh.


the drop by andrews is not really a big deal, because most likely the bills would just march the ball down the field in under 2min and kick a FG.

andrews had a strip and lamar had a fumble and interception. that is what killed the ravens.
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Re: Divisional Round Thread 

Post#665 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:47 pm

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Pointing out Lamar's subpar record both statistically and team success wise doesn't mean he sucks. He just generally doesn't elevate his game in playoffs.

We should be able evaluate players better than best/sucks absolutes.

No argument here.

I thought he played well. Not great. Yeah, the turnovers we're costly. But he did show up when it mattered most.


I think the hyperfocus on late game plays mattering more than early game plays doesn't make a lot of sense. It all matters. We just emphasize the late game plays so much because they HAD to be made, because the Ravens didn't execute well enough earlier in the game to avoid being in that situation. If they didn't turn the ball over twice and potentially leave anywhere from 6-14 points on the board in the 1st half, and didn't give up 7 points off one of those turnovers, which means it was really potentially a 13-21 point swing, who would freaking care that Andrews fumbled it, because his team would have been up by two TDs at that point? There would have been no 2 point attempt, because the Ravens would have put the game away at that point.

He played well. But I don't think people are being consistent. He didn't play like a multiple time MVP winner. He certainly played a level below what his standard in the RS has been.

I think playing well in the 2nd half while playing poorly in the 1st half is really no different than playing well in the 1st half and playing poorly in the 2nd half. In neither case did you show up when it mattered most, because what matters most is the whole game. You kind of showed up, which again, is not MVP level play.

It's weird that Jalen Hurts gets more scrutiny than Lamar Jackson, since Jackson is clearly the better, more accomplished player and should have way more expectations on him. But he had a Jalen Hurts-level game, and we're all trying to say he actually played great?
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Post#666 » by jc23 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:14 pm

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Re: Divisional Round Thread 

Post#667 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:49 pm

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Cactus Jack wrote:Almost as much sense as a certain someone who supposedly had a strong case to be the MVP & yet somehow his team didn't even qualify for the playoffs.

Relevant for all the wrong reasons. :D
You're grasping at straws, bud.

No, I'm just teasing you.

Lamar sucks because he lost a game in the playoffs. Even though he led his team to the playoffs.

But the other guy gets a free pass.
The other guy has went to a Super Bowl though. The other guy also has zero MVPs so people in the league obviously don't value him as high as a guy with 2 MVPs probably about to be 3.
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Re: Divisional Round Thread 

Post#668 » by Charlesareed » Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:59 pm

therealbig3 wrote:There’s a difference between saying Lamar choked and Lamar should have played better. He didn’t choke, he put them in position to tie the game. But you can’t just hand wave away the fact that he had two turnovers that were honestly pretty atrocious and took potential points off the board. Maybe the game doesn’t need to come down to a 2 point conversion if he protected the ball better? Especially since his fumble led directly to a Bills TD.

Pinning everything on Andrews for his turnover and drop just because they happened later in the game and completely absolving what Lamar did earlier in the game that put them in that position in the first place is just being an apologist.

I’d say Lamar played well. But he made crucial mistakes. Did not play up to his MVP standards. The loss is not squarely on him though, and it’s not squarely on Andrews either. They lost as a team. But as an individual, yeah I still think Lamar left something to be desired.

So did Josh Allen btw, I thought he was pretty mediocre to be honest. But they won, so that excuses everything I guess.

Idk, I saw two really good QBs make some bad plays and some good plays and ultimately both of them kind of underachieved. I can still easily see Mahomes and the Chiefs outplay Allen for the 4th time and then hear how Allen played him close in that one game 5 years ago all over again.



That’s what I’ve been saying it’s not all on Andrews and it’s not all on Lamar but in the grand scheme of things Lamar had 2 picks and a fumble that led to 6 buffalo points also Derrick Henry had a drop ball in the games aswell that hurt some to all in all this loss was a team loss coach harbough should’ve taken the points and not go for 2 and it ultimately cost them this game
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Post#669 » by wco81 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:10 pm

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Eagles vs. Commanders for the NFC East and NFC crown coming up.



Oh all the fans who are old school or believe in old school say snow games are great.

Well there's a long history of cold weather teams getting HFA in the playoffs and then choking big in the SB when weather is not a factor.

Weather adds randomness into the game, so one or two big plays because players slip or the wind alters kicks or passes come down to luck.

The players aren't able to perform at their best. They can't plant their foot to cut on the top of routes or on backpedals to break on the ball.


Manning was considered soft for a long time when he couldn’t win in New England (I think eventually he had a winning record in the playoffs against Brady).

Teams like Dolphins last year and the Rams this year were definitely affected from playing in KC/Philly. It’s an advantage if you’re used to it.



Why do they play the SB in warm weather cities?

They will say so that both teams could play at their best.

The real reason is the owners and VIPs don't want to go to a cold place in the winter. One time they had the SB in Detroit or some other northern city. It was indoors.

However the special guests HATED the cold weather during the week leading up to the game, when they went to all the parties and events.

They may have been up north once or twice more since then. Maybe to support a new stadium like the one in NY say.
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Re: Divisional Round Thread 

Post#670 » by Cactus Jack » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:18 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:No, I'm just teasing you.

Lamar sucks because he lost a game in the playoffs. Even though he led his team to the playoffs.

But the other guy gets a free pass.
The other guy has went to a Super Bowl though.

Which he lost. So, what difference does it make?

Lamar will have doubters until he wins a SB. Because QBs are ultimately judged by how many rings they've won.
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Post#671 » by Cactus Jack » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:20 pm

wco81 wrote:Why do they play the SB in warm weather cities?

They will say so that both teams could play at their best.

The real reason is the owners and VIPs don't want to go to a cold place in the winter. One time they had the SB in Detroit or some other northern city. It was indoors.

However the special guests HATED the cold weather during the week leading up to the game, when they went to all the parties and events.

They may have been up north once or twice more since then. Maybe to support a new stadium like the one in NY say.

Detroit, Minnesota, Indianapolis & New York have all hosted. Super Bowl 48 (New York) I believe is the only one in a northern city to host an outdoor game.
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Re: Divisional Round Thread 

Post#672 » by El Turco » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:23 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
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Cactus Jack wrote:No, I'm just teasing you.

Lamar sucks because he lost a game in the playoffs. Even though he led his team to the playoffs.

But the other guy gets a free pass.
The other guy has went to a Super Bowl though.

Which he lost. So, what difference does it make?


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Re: Divisional Round Thread 

Post#673 » by Cactus Jack » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:29 pm

El Turco wrote:
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JujitsuFlip wrote:The other guy has went to a Super Bowl though.

Which he lost. So, what difference does it make?


e tu Jack?

Unless you win the whole thing it doesn't matter, right? At least that's what I'm told by some here. :wink:
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Re: Divisional Round Thread 

Post#674 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:35 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
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Cactus Jack wrote:No, I'm just teasing you.

Lamar sucks because he lost a game in the playoffs. Even though he led his team to the playoffs.

But the other guy gets a free pass.
The other guy has went to a Super Bowl though.

Which he lost. So, what difference does it make?

Lamar will have doubters until he wins a SB. Because QBs are ultimately judged by how many rings they've won.
Because the other guy actually made it there lol

How can a QB have a chance to win a SB when he consistently exits in the 1st and 2nd round of the playoffs?

If he was 2 or 3 MVP good, you would think he could make it out of his own conference.
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Post#675 » by azcatz11 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:46 pm

Can we move on from this? No one is changing anyone’s mind
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Re: Divisional Round Thread 

Post#676 » by Cactus Jack » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:55 pm

azcatz11 wrote:Can we move on from this? No one is changing anyone’s mind

Are you still getting the "BILLS WIN" popup? lol
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Post#677 » by azcatz11 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:04 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:Can we move on from this? No one is changing anyone’s mind

Are you still getting the "BILLS WIN" popup? lol


Unfortunately, yes
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Post#678 » by azcatz11 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:33 pm

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Re: Divisional Round Thread 

Post#679 » by therealbig3 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:24 pm

It's not about winning or losing, Joe Burrow has played really well as an individual in the playoffs. Lamar just had his best playoff game by far...in which he had two costly turnovers. There are levels to this, and Burrow has clearly been on a different one come playoff time.

Lamar Jackson doesn't suck, he's really, really good, he's a top 4 QB in the league, he deserves his MVPs, but I can't imagine any world where I'm taking him over Mahomes, Allen, or Burrow in a playoff game. They've had dominant playoff performances where they led their team to victory. Lamar hasn't. It's not hating, it's just true, he has a playoff narrative about him that's somewhat true that he didn't successfully change with this game.
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Post#680 » by Worm Guts » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:33 pm

therealbig3 wrote:It's not about winning or losing, Joe Burrow has played really well as an individual in the playoffs. Lamar just had his best playoff game by far...in which he had two costly turnovers. There are levels to this, and Burrow has clearly been on a different one come playoff time.



Lamar's best playoff game was a week ago, against Pittsburgh. Or maybe last year against Houston.

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