Detroit/Toronto - Pistons get a backup PG

[islandboy53]

Detroit out: Wendell Moore, 25 Tor 2nd
Detroit in: Davion Mitchell

Toronto out: Davion Mitchell
Toronto in: Wendell Moore, 25 Tor 2nd

This move gets Detroit a backup PG who is a plus defender, while still leaving them $10 million in cap space plus their room exception for other moves. Toronto gets a 2nd for a player who is somewhat surplus. Fell free to substitute 2 of Detroits later 2nds for the 25 Tor.

[Texas Chuck]

Feels like an overpay for Mitchell. Even at 2 future 2nds as opposed to the immediate top of the round one. I would think Detroit would be looking for a more offensively skilled PG as well.

[oldncreaky]

For TOR, it's a quick yes

I could see it for DET, but it would have to be a second move for DET

Mitchell is not an ideal player -- good/great D, shot isn't horrible, so-so at running an offence -- but he is worth a decent pick. Far from my first choice for backup PG, but better than what we have. For DET, I probably want to send a lesser SRP a year or two out expected to be in the 40s, not a pick expected to be around 35 in the next draft, but that's a minor quibble.

Mitchell is not, however, worth using up nearly half of DET's free cap space as a first move. If we've struck out on a better usage of DET cap space, or have already used up the space in a trade and are still looking for a backup PG, then I'd do this a minute before the deadline

[chrbal]

To this trade, there’s no way Detroit adds picks to get Davion. The trade should be Milwaukee sends Pat Connaughton, a second, and cash to Toronto who sends Davion Mitchell to Detroit, who sends Wendell Moore Jr to Milwaukee.

Why for the Bucks- it’s more or less a salary dump, they take Moore Jr because he makes the least amount of money.

Why for the Raptors- they take on a salary dump for assets while they rebuild. While also opening up playing time for Jamal Shead.

Why for the Pistons- they take on a little salary to see if Mitchell can help and is worth resigning.


Sacramento just dumped him and that power forward onto Toronto last offseason, he’s not suddenly worth a second round pick.

[Tripod]

It's crazy how people don't think rotational players are worth a 2nd rd pick.

Davion can play EXCELLENT POA defense which a bunch of teams can use, especially in the playoffs when the whistle is put away more and there is more emphasis on defense.

For sure you don't expect him to be adding a bunch of offense. You want him to be using his energy on defense so others don't have to.

[Godaddycurse]

To this trade, there’s no way Detroit adds picks to get Davion. The trade should be Milwaukee sends Pat Connaughton, a second, and cash to Toronto who sends Davion Mitchell to Detroit, who sends Wendell Moore Jr to Milwaukee.

Why for the Bucks- it’s more or less a salary dump, they take Moore Jr because he makes the least amount of money.

Why for the Raptors- they take on a salary dump for assets while they rebuild. While also opening up playing time for Jamal Shead.

Why for the Pistons- they take on a little salary to see if Mitchell can help and is worth resigning.


Sacramento just dumped him and that power forward onto Toronto last offseason, he’s not suddenly worth a second round pick.

takes more than a 2nd take on pat's salary

[Godaddycurse]

Feels like an overpay for Mitchell. Even at 2 future 2nds as opposed to the immediate top of the round one. I would think Detroit would be looking for a more offensively skilled PG as well.

yea fair value is probably closer to a 2nd round swap of TOR and POR 2nd instead of outright giving up TOR 2nd

[chrbal]

To this trade, there’s no way Detroit adds picks to get Davion. The trade should be Milwaukee sends Pat Connaughton, a second, and cash to Toronto who sends Davion Mitchell to Detroit, who sends Wendell Moore Jr to Milwaukee.

Why for the Bucks- it’s more or less a salary dump, they take Moore Jr because he makes the least amount of money.

Why for the Raptors- they take on a salary dump for assets while they rebuild. While also opening up playing time for Jamal Shead.

Why for the Pistons- they take on a little salary to see if Mitchell can help and is worth resigning.


Sacramento just dumped him and that power forward onto Toronto last offseason, he’s not suddenly worth a second round pick.

takes more than a 2nd take on pat's salary

I agree, I just don’t see what Detroit pays in this.

And honestly it’s just me trying to figure out a team it actually makes sense to dump Pat onto with the Bucks having limited assets.

[islandboy53]

For TOR, it's a quick yes

I could see it for DET, but it would have to be a second move for DET

Mitchell is not an ideal player -- good/great D, shot isn't horrible, so-so at running an offence -- but he is worth a decent pick. Far from my first choice for backup PG, but better than what we have. For DET, I probably want to send a lesser SRP a year or two out expected to be in the 40s, not a pick expected to be around 35 in the next draft, but that's a minor quibble.

Mitchell is not, however, worth using up nearly half of DET's free cap space as a first move. If we've struck out on a better usage of DET cap space, or have already used up the space in a trade and are still looking for a backup PG, then I'd do this a minute before the deadline

Sending Moore back means Detroit uses $4 million, or less than 1/3, of its cap space, and would still have $10 million remaining for other moves. That said, they could use the full $14 million for another move, than use their $8 million room exception to do this trade.

[islandboy53]

It's crazy how people don't think rotational players are worth a 2nd rd pick.

Davion can play EXCELLENT POA defense which a bunch of teams can use, especially in the playoffs when the whistle is put away more and there is more emphasis on defense.

For sure you don't expect him to be adding a bunch of offense. You want him to be using his energy on defense so others don't have to.

Exactly. He's putting up 6 points, 2 boards and 4.5 assists in 24 minutes this year, shooting .333 from deep. He can run the offence, but would be there primarily for the defence.

[islandboy53]

Feels like an overpay for Mitchell. Even at 2 future 2nds as opposed to the immediate top of the round one. I would think Detroit would be looking for a more offensively skilled PG as well.

yea fair value is probably closer to a 2nd round swap of TOR and POR 2nd instead of outright giving up TOR 2nd

So Mitchell's value is moving from 37 to 32? C'mon.

[Godaddycurse]

Feels like an overpay for Mitchell. Even at 2 future 2nds as opposed to the immediate top of the round one. I would think Detroit would be looking for a more offensively skilled PG as well.

yea fair value is probably closer to a 2nd round swap of TOR and POR 2nd instead of outright giving up TOR 2nd

So Mitchell's value is moving from 37 to 32? C'mon.

ya that move is worth about a mid 2nd which is where i peg mitchell

[psman2]

I don't think Mitchell worth really anything honestly, maybe a token late 2nd. I don't think he gets his 8.75m QA offer extended to him this offseason. I don't think he is a playoff rotation worthy guard.

[Texas Chuck]

yep those are bad numbers for a PG, he makes more than the min and defensive PG's who break your offense aren't playable in the playoffs. And as psman points out--no team is extending that QO.

These guys have no trade value. Its fine if you value him eating minutes off the bench for a team who doesn't care if they win, but that doesn't mean teams who are trying to win are going to give you premium 2nds(or anything really) for him.

Every team has medicore role players. Yours aren't special. I know this sucks to hear, but its true.

[ejftw]

Think of Toronto had a second in the 40-45 range to send back, it'd be perfect. But giving up $4M in space and a high second? Maybe if it's a follow up and they use the exception instead of cap space

It's crazy how people don't think rotational players are worth a 2nd rd pick.

Davion can play EXCELLENT POA defense which a bunch of teams can use, especially in the playoffs when the whistle is put away more and there is more emphasis on defense.

For sure you don't expect him to be adding a bunch of offense. You want him to be using his energy on defense so others don't have to.

Exactly. He's putting up 6 points, 2 boards and 4.5 assists in 24 minutes this year, shooting .333 from deep. He can run the offence, but would be there primarily for the defence.

Kevin Porter Jr is putting up 10/3/3 in 19 minutes.

I definitely wouldn't think he'd be worth a top 5 second.

[balsamic_ducks]

Mitchell doesn’t have value

[islandboy53]

yep those are bad numbers for a PG, he makes more than the min and defensive PG's who break your offense aren't playable in the playoffs. And as psman points out--no team is extending that QO.

These guys have no trade value. Its fine if you value him eating minutes off the bench for a team who doesn't care if they win, but that doesn't mean teams who are trying to win are going to give you premium 2nds(or anything really) for him.

Every team has medicore role players. Yours aren't special. I know this sucks to hear, but its true.

I am shocked to hear you disparaging Davion Mitchell, shocked.

[chrbal]

Original trade should just be Moore Jr for Mitchell, no picks

Raptors trim a little money to facilitate a different trade.

Pistons take a quick look at Mitchell giving them a depth pg. The Pistons already have Marcus Sasser who is comparable to some extent, I just think Mitchell could be worth a look.

The talent gap doesn’t get Toronto a real pick, I just don’t see the point in Toronto continuing to use him when they’re 10-30 something and they already have Shead on a second round pick rookie contract. And Mitchell most likely (really very likely) won’t be offered his qualifying offer.

[Texas Chuck]

yep those are bad numbers for a PG, he makes more than the min and defensive PG's who break your offense aren't playable in the playoffs. And as psman points out--no team is extending that QO.

These guys have no trade value. Its fine if you value him eating minutes off the bench for a team who doesn't care if they win, but that doesn't mean teams who are trying to win are going to give you premium 2nds(or anything really) for him.

Every team has medicore role players. Yours aren't special. I know this sucks to hear, but its true.

I am shocked to hear you disparaging Davion Mitchell, shocked.

No worries. I am not all surprised that you hear a bunch of respected posters tell you he has no value and your takeaway is Chuck is biased against Raptors players.

Only possible explanation really.

[jayjaysee]

I think his value is somewhere between Godaddy’s suggestion and the OP. Realistically, I think Mitchell has very little value as he’s a couple weeks away from restricted free agency and you dont know if you really want him back or even want to pay him the QO…. So maybe you just “overpay” and do Godaddy’s idea to get the small asset.

Or maybe Toronto’s 2026 second back to Detroit? I don’t think Toronto plans to be terrible again next year?

I don’t think Det should scoff at the idea of Mitchell or at losing the Toronto 2nd. But OP is the price for a good rotation piece, not just a rotation piece.