Spurs/NOP

[Astaluego]

SPURS
In:Ingram/Theis
Out:Keldon/Collins/Hawks FRP(top 7 prot)

Spurs get a star to go along with Wemby...while Vassell/Castle continues his development...Ingram should fit in very well, as another secondary manager, and +20 ppg scorer

NOP
In:Keldon/Collins/Hawks FRP
Out:Ingram/Theis

They get the FRP that seems to be resisting them for BI...they get a couple of useful players, Keldon has a decreasing contract, he is still young and has the versatility to play in several positions.
Collins gives him depth in the 4/5 and could be that center that spaces the floor for Zion

[wemby]

Ingram isn't the player the Spurs need, and in any case they could get him in the offseason (hope not) without giving up assets, so no point in paying for a rental in a season where they should be trying to get the best possible pick (likely last good one in a loooong time).

[Xman]

Dumping contracts helps SA salary cap going forward.
Getting Ingram now gives a chance to see if he fits and make sure they would or wouldn’t want to pay him.
nO gets a pick. Locks up cap space for a year but need to ride current roster another year anyway.
SA would want top ten protection. Something like: 2025 Atlanta first (protected top ten, becomes five seconds). SA has a ton of seconds to choose from.

[YayBasketball]

Dumping contracts helps SA salary cap going forward.
Getting Ingram now gives a chance to see if he fits and make sure they would or wouldn’t want to pay him.
nO gets a pick. Locks up cap space for a year but need to ride current roster another year anyway.
SA would want top ten protection. Something like: 2025 Atlanta first (protected top ten, becomes five seconds). SA has a ton of seconds to choose from.

Good point here, dumping the Keldon and ZCollins contracts should also be factored in here. I think protecting it like "worst of SAS/ATL/CHI 2025 1st, top-10prot." makes sense.

[Jon1798]

Pels aren’t doing that. So so first and bad contracts for Brandon Ingram?

[Xman]

Right now, that would be pick 18. For a player they don’t want back.
Might add a couple of seconds plus top ten protected first which becomes even more seconds.
NO has no seconds now. Maybe one of those that conveys but traded all of their seconds.

[wemby]

Dumping contracts helps SA salary cap going forward.
Getting Ingram now gives a chance to see if he fits and make sure they would or wouldn’t want to pay him.
nO gets a pick. Locks up cap space for a year but need to ride current roster another year anyway.
SA would want top ten protection. Something like: 2025 Atlanta first (protected top ten, becomes five seconds). SA has a ton of seconds to choose from.

No, re-signing Ingram to more than Keldon and Collins make combined and for longer DOESN'T help the Spurs cap going forward, it hurts them in 26 free agency, where Collins would come off the books and Keldon would have only one more year at 17.5 million so if it came to that shedding his contract would be much easier than moving a huge Ingram contract.

[Astaluego]

Dumping contracts helps SA salary cap going forward.
Getting Ingram now gives a chance to see if he fits and make sure they would or wouldn’t want to pay him.
nO gets a pick. Locks up cap space for a year but need to ride current roster another year anyway.
SA would want top ten protection. Something like: 2025 Atlanta first (protected top ten, becomes five seconds). SA has a ton of seconds to choose from.

No, re-signing Ingram to more than Keldon and Collins make combined and for longer DOESN'T help the Spurs cap going forward, it hurts them in 26 free agency, where Collins would come off the books and Keldon would have only one more year at 17.5 million so if it came to that shedding his contract would be much easier than moving a huge Ingram contract.

I understand that Ingram wants a maximum, I'm sure he does... but that doesn't mean he's going to receive it, there is no contender with salary space to pay him and it doesn't make sense for a rebuilding team to pay him... whether he likes it or not, he will have than adjusting to the market...I see it differently, given the likely scarcity of projected offers for BI (and in this scenario, with his bird rights) it could be an opportunity to sign him to a bargain contract..

[wemby]

Dumping contracts helps SA salary cap going forward.
Getting Ingram now gives a chance to see if he fits and make sure they would or wouldn’t want to pay him.
nO gets a pick. Locks up cap space for a year but need to ride current roster another year anyway.
SA would want top ten protection. Something like: 2025 Atlanta first (protected top ten, becomes five seconds). SA has a ton of seconds to choose from.

No, re-signing Ingram to more than Keldon and Collins make combined and for longer DOESN'T help the Spurs cap going forward, it hurts them in 26 free agency, where Collins would come off the books and Keldon would have only one more year at 17.5 million so if it came to that shedding his contract would be much easier than moving a huge Ingram contract.

I understand that Ingram wants a maximum, I'm sure he does... but that doesn't mean he's going to receive it, there is no contender with salary space to pay him and it doesn't make sense for a rebuilding team to pay him... whether he likes it or not, he will have than adjusting to the market...I see it differently, given the likely scarcity of projected offers for BI (and in this scenario, with his bird rights) it could be an opportunity to sign him to a bargain contract..

Whatever he gets is still more than Keldon + Zach Collins would make combined and for longer, so the point that it hurts the Spurs long term payroll stands. Also, why would the Spurs do it now rather than in the offseason? If they want him (I don't), that's the way to go. A play in run now is largely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

[Xman]

[quote="wemby"][quote="Astaluego"][quote="wemby"]
No, re-signing Ingram to more than Keldon and Collins make combined and for longer DOESN'T help the Spurs cap going forward, it hurts them in 26 free agency, where Collins would come off the books and Keldon would have only one more year at 17.5 million so if it came to that shedding his contract would be much easier than moving a huge Ingram contract.[/quote]
I understand that Ingram wants a maximum, I'm sure he does... but that doesn't mean he's going to receive it, there is no contender with salary space to pay him and it doesn't make sense for a rebuilding team to pay him... whether he likes it or not, he will have than adjusting to the market...I see it differently, given the likely scarcity of projected offers for BI (and in this scenario, with his bird rights) it could be an opportunity to sign him to a bargain contract..[/quote]
Whatever he gets is still more than Keldon + Zach Collins would make combined and for longer, so the point that it hurts the Spurs long term payroll stands. Also, why would the Spurs do it now rather than in the offseason? If they want him (I don't), that's the way to go. A play in run now is largely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.[/quote]

SA does it now for several reasons. One, get to know him and make sure they want him. Second, easier to sign him if he has been there and not just another random team. Third, might get better contract. Fourth, can probably get value in a sign and trade if not resigning since teams are against salary cap.

[Ell Curry]

Ingram isn't the player the Spurs need, and in any case they could get him in the offseason (hope not) without giving up assets, so no point in paying for a rental in a season where they should be trying to get the best possible pick (likely last good one in a loooong time).

Agree with the first part, but maybe drop one or two o's in "loooong" Wemby is 11 feet tall, those guys always get hurt and you probably get an injury season and high pick (maybe it's dealt and someone else owns it) at some point. I could see the Spurs, when they do eventually make a trade, dealing quantity of picks over quality, particularly with the Robinson/Duncan memory, and preferring to send out say 3 top 10 protected firsts over two lotto protected ones.