The Tim Connelly Thread (prev./still Fire Him)

[TimberKat]

The "Connelly" trade so far is:

Out: Towns + DLo + Five 1st (mostly unprotected, 3 more to go)

In: Gobert + Randle + Conley + DDV + NAW + One 1st ( heavily protected) + Three 2nd

Actually, some of you wanted this trade before it happened due to Towns' injury or perceived play-off failure. Any more "trading down" or "trade older" would look very bad at this point.

We know Ant or Towns alone isn't going to get anywhere. More role players isn't going to help. Randle, DDV, and Dilly are starting to play better. Unless a trade brings in an all star, the best option is to let the next two seasons play out rather than start the vicious rebuild cycle again.

Are you trying to miss the point on why people were saying we should trade Towns on purpose? When that was said we expected players back that would make us better in the long run along ANT age and as a last resort. Not trade him for a bag of chips.


There are no two players that will get any team anywhere without very good role payers and team chemistry. And those two things are something that TC is very good at destroying with his trades.

We no longer have money to keep our talent and we now have to pray that Randle's family hates it here so they decide to leave lol I'm not sure what you think this team will look like by next season but I'm sure many will realize that the team should have just blown it up if Randle stays because teams will keep players of value and get rid of those who cost too much and those players probably won't fit this team.

You can scroll thru all the Towns trade ideas from Scoot Henderson to Randle to Collins to Cason Wallace toTy Ty Washington. The only one that maybe realistic and make any sense was DeJounte Murray or Brandon Ingram. If you can't get Markkanen for Towns, than stick with him. With the same mindset, what Randle trade is going to make this team better? We got a lot of role players right now. Ant and a bunch of role players aren't going to win anything. It's easy to say just blow it up or addition by subtraction. To me that is basically saying I don't know what to do. I am all for getting good value in a trade, but without a trade up, keeping him will give us the best chance going forward.

[TimberKat]

That's my point. TC make a mistake ( except for the money side) . Find a way to correct it. Randle is killing our chance.

The crux of your argument falls flat when you factor in Randle's worth. You aren't going to "correct it" as you say by trading a player with such deflated value.

No matter which way you come from, the trade was a colossal failure by Connelly and Finch. Yes, I place Finch in there because no way, no how did he not have input.

Wolves with kat would of been a repeater 2nd apron team that peaked last year. Kats value was as high as it was going to get. Tell me what moves you would make if the wolves ran it back and lost in the second round and KAT was bad again?

That make sense. My alternative reality would had been let Gobert pickup his option 25-26, maybe trade him mid 25-26 so you don't get repeater. Keep Towns, Naz and draft Edey as Gobert replacement. I think we would be two years above tax the most.

[guest81]

The "Connelly" trade so far is:

Out: Towns + DLo + Five 1st (mostly unprotected, 3 more to go)

In: Gobert + Randle + Conley + DDV + NAW + One 1st ( heavily protected) + Three 2nd

Actually, some of you wanted this trade before it happened due to Towns' injury or perceived play-off failure. Any more "trading down" or "trade older" would look very bad at this point.

We know Ant or Towns alone isn't going to get anywhere. More role players isn't going to help. Randle, DDV, and Dilly are starting to play better. Unless a trade brings in an all star, the best option is to let the next two seasons play out rather than start the vicious rebuild cycle again.

Are you trying to miss the point on why people were saying we should trade Towns on purpose? When that was said we expected players back that would make us better in the long run along ANT age and as a last resort. Not trade him for a bag of chips.


There are no two players that will get any team anywhere without very good role payers and team chemistry. And those two things are something that TC is very good at destroying with his trades.

We no longer have money to keep our talent and we now have to pray that Randle's family hates it here so they decide to leave lol I'm not sure what you think this team will look like by next season but I'm sure many will realize that the team should have just blown it up if Randle stays because teams will keep players of value and get rid of those who cost too much and those players probably won't fit this team.

You can scroll thru all the Towns trade ideas from Scoot Henderson to Randle to Collins to Cason Wallace toTy Ty Washington. The only one that maybe realistic and make any sense was DeJounte Murray or Brandon Ingram. If you can't get Markkanen for Towns, than stick with him. With the same mindset, what Randle trade is going to make this team better? We got a lot of role players right now. Ant and a bunch of role players aren't going to win anything. It's easy to say just blow it up or addition by subtraction. To me that is basically saying I don't know what to do. I am all for getting good value in a trade, but without a trade up, keeping him will give us the best chance going forward.

Kats value only goes down the longer you kept him. Do you understand that?

[guest81]

The crux of your argument falls flat when you factor in Randle's worth. You aren't going to "correct it" as you say by trading a player with such deflated value.

No matter which way you come from, the trade was a colossal failure by Connelly and Finch. Yes, I place Finch in there because no way, no how did he not have input.

Wolves with kat would of been a repeater 2nd apron team that peaked last year. Kats value was as high as it was going to get. Tell me what moves you would make if the wolves ran it back and lost in the second round and KAT was bad again?

That make sense. My alternative reality would had been let Gobert pickup his option 25-26, maybe trade him mid 25-26 so you don't get repeater. Keep Towns, Naz and draft Edey as Gobert replacement. I think we would be two years above tax the most.

How is that better?

[TimberKat]

Are you trying to miss the point on why people were saying we should trade Towns on purpose? When that was said we expected players back that would make us better in the long run along ANT age and as a last resort. Not trade him for a bag of chips.


There are no two players that will get any team anywhere without very good role payers and team chemistry. And those two things are something that TC is very good at destroying with his trades.

We no longer have money to keep our talent and we now have to pray that Randle's family hates it here so they decide to leave lol I'm not sure what you think this team will look like by next season but I'm sure many will realize that the team should have just blown it up if Randle stays because teams will keep players of value and get rid of those who cost too much and those players probably won't fit this team.

You can scroll thru all the Towns trade ideas from Scoot Henderson to Randle to Collins to Cason Wallace toTy Ty Washington. The only one that maybe realistic and make any sense was DeJounte Murray or Brandon Ingram. If you can't get Markkanen for Towns, than stick with him. With the same mindset, what Randle trade is going to make this team better? We got a lot of role players right now. Ant and a bunch of role players aren't going to win anything. It's easy to say just blow it up or addition by subtraction. To me that is basically saying I don't know what to do. I am all for getting good value in a trade, but without a trade up, keeping him will give us the best chance going forward.

Kats value only goes down the longer you kept him. Do you understand that?

Sorry but don't agree his value will only go down. If he makes all star this year as a Wolves, it could go up. His contract will look cheaper next year. Clearly he is playing better this year.

[TimberKat]

Wolves with kat would of been a repeater 2nd apron team that peaked last year. Kats value was as high as it was going to get. Tell me what moves you would make if the wolves ran it back and lost in the second round and KAT was bad again?

That make sense. My alternative reality would had been let Gobert pickup his option 25-26, maybe trade him mid 25-26 so you don't get repeater. Keep Towns, Naz and draft Edey as Gobert replacement. I think we would be two years above tax the most.

How is that better?

You will have Towns, Naz, and a backup center for the long run. Gives us a chance to get back to conference semi. That is certainly better than the Randle trade.

[guest81]

You can scroll thru all the Towns trade ideas from Scoot Henderson to Randle to Collins to Cason Wallace toTy Ty Washington. The only one that maybe realistic and make any sense was DeJounte Murray or Brandon Ingram. If you can't get Markkanen for Towns, than stick with him. With the same mindset, what Randle trade is going to make this team better? We got a lot of role players right now. Ant and a bunch of role players aren't going to win anything. It's easy to say just blow it up or addition by subtraction. To me that is basically saying I don't know what to do. I am all for getting good value in a trade, but without a trade up, keeping him will give us the best chance going forward.

Kats value only goes down the longer you kept him. Do you understand that?

Sorry but don't agree his value will only go down. If he makes all star this year as a Wolves, it could go up. His contract will look cheaper next year. Clearly he is playing better this year.

Kat will be a top 10 paid player until his contract is up. He's never been a top 10 player. You could say he is this year but he's already hurt like he is every year. His value isn't going up

[guest81]

That make sense. My alternative reality would had been let Gobert pickup his option 25-26, maybe trade him mid 25-26 so you don't get repeater. Keep Towns, Naz and draft Edey as Gobert replacement. I think we would be two years above tax the most.

How is that better?

You will have Towns, Naz, and a backup center for the long run. Gives us a chance to get back to conference semi. That is certainly better than the Randle trade.

A naz kat front court is the worst defensive frontcourt in the nba. You also run into the problem of conley falling off a cliff like this year but you have no ddv or Dillingham to replace him. That wolves team is much worse then this year. Easily

[TimberKat]

How is that better?

You will have Towns, Naz, and a backup center for the long run. Gives us a chance to get back to conference semi. That is certainly better than the Randle trade.

A naz kat front court is the worst defensive frontcourt in the nba. You also run into the problem of conley falling off a cliff like this year but you have no ddv or Dillingham to replace him. That wolves team is much worse then this year. Easily

We would play Edey with Towns/Naz to minimize Towns+Naz time. True we still need to solve the PG issue. If we can't sign anyone cheap, than go point Ant and NAW (or someone).

[guest81]

You will have Towns, Naz, and a backup center for the long run. Gives us a chance to get back to conference semi. That is certainly better than the Randle trade.

A naz kat front court is the worst defensive frontcourt in the nba. You also run into the problem of conley falling off a cliff like this year but you have no ddv or Dillingham to replace him. That wolves team is much worse then this year. Easily

We would play Edey with Towns/Naz to minimize Towns+Naz time. True we still need to solve the PG issue. If we can't sign anyone cheap, than go point Ant and NAW (or someone).

Again much worse then where they are now

[TimberKat]

A naz kat front court is the worst defensive frontcourt in the nba. You also run into the problem of conley falling off a cliff like this year but you have no ddv or Dillingham to replace him. That wolves team is much worse then this year. Easily

We would play Edey with Towns/Naz to minimize Towns+Naz time. True we still need to solve the PG issue. If we can't sign anyone cheap, than go point Ant and NAW (or someone).

Again much worse then where they are now

Agree to disagree.

[Baseline81]

Wolves with kat would of been a repeater 2nd apron team that peaked last year. Kats value was as high as it was going to get. Tell me what moves you would make if the wolves ran it back and lost in the second round and KAT was bad again?

From my understanding, even with the trade, we still are.

Additionally, how do you know that? No one, and I cannot stress that enough, knows what would have happened if we ran it back this year. Shocking the front office and coach didn't even give them the chance.

One thing, even you cannot deny, is how the team's continuity and cohesion is must worse this season.

[guest81]

We would play Edey with Towns/Naz to minimize Towns+Naz time. True we still need to solve the PG issue. If we can't sign anyone cheap, than go point Ant and NAW (or someone).

Again much worse then where they are now

Agree to disagree.

I'd much rather have Dillingham then edey

[Folklore]

The "Connelly" trade so far is:

Out: Towns + DLo + Five 1st (mostly unprotected, 3 more to go)

In: Gobert + Randle + Conley + DDV + NAW + One 1st ( heavily protected) + Three 2nd

Actually, some of you wanted this trade before it happened due to Towns' injury or perceived play-off failure. Any more "trading down" or "trade older" would look very bad at this point.

We know Ant or Towns alone isn't going to get anywhere. More role players isn't going to help. Randle, DDV, and Dilly are starting to play better. Unless a trade brings in an all star, the best option is to let the next two seasons play out rather than start the vicious rebuild cycle again.

Are you trying to miss the point on why people were saying we should trade Towns on purpose? When that was said we expected players back that would make us better in the long run along ANT age and as a last resort. Not trade him for a bag of chips.


There are no two players that will get any team anywhere without very good role payers and team chemistry. And those two things are something that TC is very good at destroying with his trades.

We no longer have money to keep our talent and we now have to pray that Randle's family hates it here so they decide to leave lol I'm not sure what you think this team will look like by next season but I'm sure many will realize that the team should have just blown it up if Randle stays because teams will keep players of value and get rid of those who cost too much and those players probably won't fit this team.

You can scroll thru all the Towns trade ideas from Scoot Henderson to Randle to Collins to Cason Wallace toTy Ty Washington. The only one that maybe realistic and make any sense was DeJounte Murray or Brandon Ingram. If you can't get Markkanen for Towns, than stick with him. With the same mindset, what Randle trade is going to make this team better? We got a lot of role players right now. Ant and a bunch of role players aren't going to win anything. It's easy to say just blow it up or addition by subtraction. To me that is basically saying I don't know what to do. I am all for getting good value in a trade, but without a trade up, keeping him will give us the best chance going forward.

Markkanen could and should have been had instead of Rudy.
Right now it would be addition by subtraction with Randle because he just doesn't fit and because of him we'd lose talent. Sane goes for Rudy. Everything else you said I agree with. Let Rudy walk and see what we have in the rooks. I think someone would have taken Rudy this year.

[BlacJacMac]

You will have Towns, Naz, and a backup center for the long run. Gives us a chance to get back to conference semi. That is certainly better than the Randle trade.

A naz kat front court is the worst defensive frontcourt in the nba. You also run into the problem of conley falling off a cliff like this year but you have no ddv or Dillingham to replace him. That wolves team is much worse then this year. Easily

We would play Edey with Towns/Naz to minimize Towns+Naz time. True we still need to solve the PG issue. If we can't sign anyone cheap, than go point Ant and NAW (or someone).

I don't see Edey as anything more than a decent back-up center.

I don't ever see him quick enough to guard anyone outside of the paint. He's an excellent offensive rebounder, but not a very good defensive one. And after hitting 1/2 3s over his 4 year college career, I don't buy his current 28 attempt sample as anything other than noise.

[shrink]

Kat will be a top 10 paid player until his contract is up. He's never been a top 10 player. You could say he is this year but he's already hurt like he is every year. His value isn't going up

I love KAT, but I would add that he’s not a top 10 player, and he certainly isn’t a team’s #1 guy.

If I knew he would be healthy, he might be worth a supermax deal, for a contender having one of the best Robins in the league. I hope it doesn’t happen, but one more injury that leads to an extended absence, and that will be one of the worst deals in the league, and maybe untradeable, particularly with our limited number of assets to add.

I think KAT would have painted us into a corner, and the trade at least opens up long-term options.

[shrink]

Markkanen could and should have been had instead of Rudy.

UTA didn’t have Markannen when we traded for Rudy.

CLE got Donovan Mitchell for Markannen. Did you want us to trade CLE Ant?

[TimberKat]

Again much worse then where they are now

Agree to disagree.

I'd much rather have Dillingham then edey

You maybe right. Dilly starting to have real impact with 3s and driving to the basket. If he plays 15 good mins a game this year, would help out Conley a lot.

[guest81]

Are you trying to miss the point on why people were saying we should trade Towns on purpose? When that was said we expected players back that would make us better in the long run along ANT age and as a last resort. Not trade him for a bag of chips.


There are no two players that will get any team anywhere without very good role payers and team chemistry. And those two things are something that TC is very good at destroying with his trades.

We no longer have money to keep our talent and we now have to pray that Randle's family hates it here so they decide to leave lol I'm not sure what you think this team will look like by next season but I'm sure many will realize that the team should have just blown it up if Randle stays because teams will keep players of value and get rid of those who cost too much and those players probably won't fit this team.

You can scroll thru all the Towns trade ideas from Scoot Henderson to Randle to Collins to Cason Wallace toTy Ty Washington. The only one that maybe realistic and make any sense was DeJounte Murray or Brandon Ingram. If you can't get Markkanen for Towns, than stick with him. With the same mindset, what Randle trade is going to make this team better? We got a lot of role players right now. Ant and a bunch of role players aren't going to win anything. It's easy to say just blow it up or addition by subtraction. To me that is basically saying I don't know what to do. I am all for getting good value in a trade, but without a trade up, keeping him will give us the best chance going forward.

Markkanen could and should have been had instead of Rudy.
Right now it would be addition by subtraction with Randle because he just doesn't fit and because of him we'd lose talent. Sane goes for Rudy. Everything else you said I agree with. Let Rudy walk and see what we have in the rooks. I think someone would have taken Rudy this year.

If you meant instead of Rudy he didn't play for the cavs then. If you meant trade KAT for LM last year why would the Jazz want kat?

[frankenwolf]

Are you trying to miss the point on why people were saying we should trade Towns on purpose? When that was said we expected players back that would make us better in the long run along ANT age and as a last resort. Not trade him for a bag of chips.


There are no two players that will get any team anywhere without very good role payers and team chemistry. And those two things are something that TC is very good at destroying with his trades.

We no longer have money to keep our talent and we now have to pray that Randle's family hates it here so they decide to leave lol I'm not sure what you think this team will look like by next season but I'm sure many will realize that the team should have just blown it up if Randle stays because teams will keep players of value and get rid of those who cost too much and those players probably won't fit this team.

You can scroll thru all the Towns trade ideas from Scoot Henderson to Randle to Collins to Cason Wallace toTy Ty Washington. The only one that maybe realistic and make any sense was DeJounte Murray or Brandon Ingram. If you can't get Markkanen for Towns, than stick with him. With the same mindset, what Randle trade is going to make this team better? We got a lot of role players right now. Ant and a bunch of role players aren't going to win anything. It's easy to say just blow it up or addition by subtraction. To me that is basically saying I don't know what to do. I am all for getting good value in a trade, but without a trade up, keeping him will give us the best chance going forward.

Kats value only goes down the longer you kept him. Do you understand that?

Prove it. As the cap goes up and KAT plays, he gets to be more valuable as a trade chip. The problem is that as we keep going with KAT, we either go WAY over the 2nd apron and sign Naz & maybe NAW, or lose them both. I am betting that TC sees Naz as the KAT replacement, is working the phones to get a decent return for Randle and will get below that 2nd Apron by the end of the league year.

I know winforlose despises TC, but I think he has done a decent job. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.