dice wrote:PFF 2023 carter 89 wright 62
PFF 2024 wright 79 carter 74
and by the way, wright played 95% of snaps over 16 games. along w/ EVERY snap of his rookie season
carter played only half the snaps his rookie year, thus perhaps accounting for his elite performance, being well rested. this season he played 84% of snaps over his 16 games and saw his efficiency fall significantly. chris jones played a similar % of snaps and a PFF grade of 90. at age 30. huge gap in production between the very best and jalen carter. 74 QB pressures vs. carter's 53. in 1 less game
talent does nothing in the NFL. it's all about production
I agree, it is about production. You know what means nothing? PFF grades.
Carter just won a playoff game for his team, and on the season, was their DMVP according to Philly fans, and is viewed as one of their most important players. He made the pro bowl so was also viewed as an incredibly important player by the league as a whole. Wright is nothing like that for us, not even close.
i was giving a hypothetical. the payoff for any player drafted at #9 is going to be higher. there is no expectation of outright losing the bet there. not with carter and not even w/ wright, who i would argue was over-drafted. i was totally OK w/ trading out of carter, but my position may have flipped had you told me the players chosen w/ the acquired picks
Yeah, the hypothetical you gave was nonsensical filled with made up numbers about betting. We passed on a guy who was viewed as generationally talented at an important position for a guy who was not. 2 years later, surprise, surprise, the generationally talented guy looks like the much better player.
so your argument is that every team in the league save maybe the eagles weren't being rational. that's fine and maybe even correct. but i'm not gonna dock poles much for not being an outlier
No, not every team in the league passed on Carter, and the stupidity of passing on him got higher and higher the lower and lower he went. Given we passed on him at 9th, that makes us the stupidest team to pass on him. Maybe you could argue the team at 8th was stupider, because we got a 4th rounder. But there were legitimate reasons for Carter to drop as low as say 4 (a couple teams are taking QBs and Will Anderson was similarly graded out at the same position). 5-9 the reasons were nonsensical, so the teams in that range were dumb.
and the eagles and bears were likely valuing carter similarly. maybe even the same given the difference in situations carter would be walking into
That's insane to think that.
The Bears didn't want Carter, because if they wanted him, they'd have drafted him.
The Eagles knew the Bears didn't want Carter, because if we wanted him, we wouldn't trade down. They evaluated Carter as good enough that they felt there was a big risk other teams would trade up for him so proactively traded up to ensure they got him. They viewed him as considerably better than the field or they'd have just hung out where they were.
