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Re: ATL - 2025 NFL Playoffs 

Post#1861 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:14 pm

Maybe the most important thing a head coach handles is clock management and down management. MLF is one of the worst in the entire league at both.
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Re: ATL - 2025 NFL Playoffs 

Post#1862 » by Profound23 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:42 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:Maybe the most important thing a head coach handles is clock management and down management. MLF is of the worst in the entire league at both.


I like MLF, but if there is one thing he struggles with it's challenges.

He started ok in the beginning but he was 3/9 last year and 1/7 this year I believe. Either way I have no clue what he sees when he challenges, then he refuses to challenge when it's obvious he should.
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Re: ATL - 2025 NFL Playoffs 

Post#1863 » by blazza18 » Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:11 am

ReasonablySober wrote:Maybe the most important thing a head coach handles is clock management and down management. MLF is one of the worst in the entire league at both.


Are there any coaches actually good at this kinda thing?
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Re: ATL - 2025 NFL Playoffs 

Post#1864 » by RRyder823 » Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:20 am

blazza18 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Maybe the most important thing a head coach handles is clock management and down management. MLF is one of the worst in the entire league at both.


Are there any coaches actually good at this kinda thing?
It seems like every coach in the league takes **** for clock management and I'll be honest I'm not quite sure what down management is supposed to be.

Is it like running on 3rd and 10?

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Re: ATL - 2025 NFL Playoffs 

Post#1865 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:40 am

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ReasonablySober wrote:Maybe the most important thing a head coach handles is clock management and down management. MLF is one of the worst in the entire league at both.


Are there any coaches actually good at this kinda thing?


Watching Marcus Freeman right now...maybe not?
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Re: ATL - 2025 NFL Playoffs 

Post#1866 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:45 am

humanrefutation wrote:I'm not sure how anyone can conclude definitively that KOC and Campbell are better head coaches than MLF, let alone a guy who hasn't head coached a single game yet.

LaFleur has twice the playoff resume of Campbell and KOC hasn't even won a playoff game with the Vikings yet.

They may turn out to be better coaches in the long run, but there's no way you can say that they're better at this time.

And this is coming from someone who has become more skeptical of LaFleur over the last year.
This is the most rational view IMO.

Lots of potential for the other coaches in the division, I don't love that. But right now MLF has the best resume of the group, he just does.

A lot of how you judge MLF is how you view the talent of his teams. My view is he's had 1 maybe 2 SB caliber rosters in his whole time here.

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Post#1867 » by Kerb Hohl » Tue Jan 21, 2025 2:20 pm

I know there was the massive **** against the Bears by calling that timeout, but I generally think MLF is fine at clock management?

I know I'm on an island in supporting the FG vs. Brady in 2020/2021 but otherwise I'm not sure what other issues there are there.

I do think I'd take KOC over MLF because he seems like a freaking wizard - but if you take our own biases out of MLF and "his team isn't prepared in the playoffs" or whatever cliches people love farting out - Vikings fans would say the same thing about their guy.

Both coaches have a few seasons where they had no business being where they were just winning all of the close games against bad teams...the Vikings had some hilarious schedules so have 2 such seasons. But doing that is not a bad thing.
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Re: ATL - 2025 NFL Playoffs 

Post#1868 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Jan 21, 2025 2:44 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:I know there was the massive **** against the Bears by calling that timeout, but I generally think MLF is fine at clock management?

I know I'm on an island in supporting the FG vs. Brady in 2020/2021 but otherwise I'm not sure what other issues there are there.

I do think I'd take KOC over MLF because he seems like a freaking wizard - but if you take our own biases out of MLF and "his team isn't prepared in the playoffs" or whatever cliches people love farting out - Vikings fans would say the same thing about their guy.

Both coaches have a few seasons where they had no business being where they were just winning all of the close games against bad teams...the Vikings had some hilarious schedules so have 2 such seasons. But doing that is not a bad thing.
To me taking advantage of weak teams is a sign of good coaching, it's really easy to lose focus in those games and blow a couple.

I value overall program building over individual decisions in a game. So I can overlook some of MLFs bad moments because I think the overall program is strong. I'll note MLFs teams never seem to quit when they get down in a game or when the seasons going bad like last year.

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Re: ATL - 2025 NFL Playoffs 

Post#1869 » by MVP2110 » Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:11 pm

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Kerb Hohl wrote:I know there was the massive **** against the Bears by calling that timeout, but I generally think MLF is fine at clock management?

I know I'm on an island in supporting the FG vs. Brady in 2020/2021 but otherwise I'm not sure what other issues there are there.

I do think I'd take KOC over MLF because he seems like a freaking wizard - but if you take our own biases out of MLF and "his team isn't prepared in the playoffs" or whatever cliches people love farting out - Vikings fans would say the same thing about their guy.

Both coaches have a few seasons where they had no business being where they were just winning all of the close games against bad teams...the Vikings had some hilarious schedules so have 2 such seasons. But doing that is not a bad thing.
To me taking advantage of weak teams is a sign of good coaching, it's really easy to lose focus in those games and blow a couple.

I value overall program building over individual decisions in a game. So I can overlook some of MLFs bad moments because I think the overall program is strong. I'll note MLFs teams never seem to quit when they get down in a game or when the seasons going bad like last year.

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Yea I think I'd agree with this for the most part. In game decision making usually gets the forefront of criticism but I also think it's less impactful than what the Coach does on the other 345 days in a year. And I'm not even sure MLF is that bad in game, he has his flaws, but they are similar flaws to alot of other great coaches. I'm very happy with MLF as our coach, that said I do think the NFC North is littered with good to great head coaches(I'm big fans of Campbell & KOC as well, and Ben Johnson seems to have the potential to be a good coach)
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Post#1872 » by MVP2110 » Wed Jan 22, 2025 3:34 pm

I feel so bad for Jaguars fans
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Post#1873 » by Matches Malone » Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:26 pm

A Bears HC mentioning Packers or beating Packers/Coach in the presser happening again? That about wraps it up. See you guys in 4 years when they introduce another HC.

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Post#1875 » by Matches Malone » Wed Jan 22, 2025 7:59 pm

Probably should have done this weeks ago lol.

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Post#1876 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Jan 22, 2025 8:03 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Probably should have done this weeks ago lol.

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Re: ATL - 2025 NFL Playoffs 

Post#1877 » by Reddeye » Wed Jan 22, 2025 8:24 pm

The Jets hired a head coach before they hired a GM?
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Re: ATL - 2025 NFL Playoffs 

Post#1878 » by Profound23 » Wed Jan 22, 2025 8:53 pm

Matches Malone wrote:A Bears HC mentioning Packers or beating Packers/Coach in the presser happening again? That about wraps it up. See you guys in 4 years when they introduce another HC.

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You would think by now, whoever hires a Bears GM or coach would just say "don't mention anything about Green Bay."

This is at least the fourth HC in a row that has tried to take a jab at Green Bay during the opening presser.

Also, Lions losing both of their coordinators is pretty big. Hopefully they don't find decent replacements.

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Post#1879 » by MVP2110 » Wed Jan 22, 2025 8:55 pm

Really curious to find out if Campbell was the straw that stirs the drink or if he was a product of really good coordinators
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Post#1880 » by humanrefutation » Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:02 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Probably should have done this weeks ago lol.

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