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Ben Wilson25 wrote:It makes me feel better about Caleb Williams that one of the brightest offensive minds in the league is willing to hitch his wagon to him. That had to be our #1 selling point and this came together more quickly than I expected. I doubt we just overwhelmed him with our monetary offer.
Jcool0 wrote:Dresden wrote:I guess you can put to bed all the stories about how the Bears were too cheap to hire a top candidate, or how their hiring process was so convoluted they'd lose out on all the top guys, or their front office was so messed up no one would want to come here, or Kevin Warren would tie Poles' hands and force him to pick a bland, company controlled type coach. All a lot of "sky is falling" for nothing.
Its not so much being cheap as incompetent.
dougthonus wrote:dice wrote:PFF 2023 carter 89 wright 62
PFF 2024 wright 79 carter 74
and by the way, wright played 95% of snaps over 16 games. along w/ EVERY snap of his rookie season
carter played only half the snaps his rookie year, thus perhaps accounting for his elite performance, being well rested. this season he played 84% of snaps over his 16 games and saw his efficiency fall significantly. chris jones played a similar % of snaps and a PFF grade of 90. at age 30. huge gap in production between the very best and jalen carter. 74 QB pressures vs. carter's 53. in 1 less game
talent does nothing in the NFL. it's all about production
I agree, it is about production. You know what means nothing? PFF grades.
Carter just won a playoff game for his team
and on the season, was their DMVP according to Philly fans
He made the pro bowl so was also viewed as an incredibly important player by the league as a whole. Wright is nothing like that for us, not even close.
Yeah, the hypothetical you gave was nonsensical filled with made up numbers about betting.i was giving a hypothetical. the payoff for any player drafted at #9 is going to be higher. there is no expectation of outright losing the bet there. not with carter and not even w/ wright, who i would argue was over-drafted. i was totally OK w/ trading out of carter, but my position may have flipped had you told me the players chosen w/ the acquired picks
We passed on a guy who was viewed as generationally talented at an important position for a guy who was not.
2 years later, surprise, surprise, the generationally talented guy looks like the much better player.
so your argument is that every team in the league save maybe the eagles weren't being rational. that's fine and maybe even correct. but i'm not gonna dock poles much for not being an outlier
No, not every team in the league passed on Carter
Given we passed on him at 9th, that makes us the stupidest team to pass on him. Maybe you could argue the team at 8th was stupider, because we got a 4th rounder. But there were legitimate reasons for Carter to drop as low as say 4 (a couple teams are taking QBs and Will Anderson was similarly graded out at the same position). 5-9 the reasons were nonsensical, so the teams in that range were dumb
and the eagles and bears were likely valuing carter similarly. maybe even the same given the difference in situations carter would be walking into
That's insane to think that.
The Bears didn't want Carter, because if they wanted him, they'd have drafted him.
The Eagles knew the Bears didn't want Carter
because if we wanted him, we wouldn't trade down.
They evaluated Carter as good enough that they felt there was a big risk other teams would trade up for him so proactively traded up to ensure they got him. They viewed him as considerably better than the field or they'd have just hung out where they were.
fleet wrote:
Curious to know if that tweet means meddling with the roster was a concern. Or it was poorly worded, and Ben is concerned about hiring his staff.
GYBE wrote:I don't think my behaviour changes at all when I'm drunk. But when I'm wasted, my girlfriend becomes a real klutz. She starts walking into doors and falling down stairs. Weird.
Dresden wrote:Another plus to Dennis Allen- he runs a 4-3.
Jimako10 wrote:fleet wrote:
Curious to know if that tweet means meddling with the roster was a concern. Or it was poorly worded, and Ben is concerned about hiring his staff.
Apparently it was the only hurdle for BJ to accept the Bears job. Now all the rumors of BJ wanting an organization to admit their mistakes kind of makes sense.
My guess is hiring staff but who knows really what went on behind the scenes.
panthermark wrote:
YES!!!!
They are finally learning!
I'm assuming that was part of the concern on BJ's part. What exactly is the structural order.
If Poles is the GM, it is his show on the football side. Everyone else GTFO the room.
panthermark wrote:
YES!!!!
They are finally learning!
I'm assuming that was part of the concern on BJ's part. What exactly is the structural order.
If Poles is the GM, it is his show on the football side. Everyone else GTFO the room.
JohnnyKILLroy wrote:No one’s going to give Poles his props either.
Jcool0 wrote:
fleet wrote:Jimako10 wrote:fleet wrote:Curious to know if that tweet means meddling with the roster was a concern. Or it was poorly worded, and Ben is concerned about hiring his staff.
Apparently it was the only hurdle for BJ to accept the Bears job. Now all the rumors of BJ wanting an organization to admit their mistakes kind of makes sense.
My guess is hiring staff but who knows really what went on behind the scenes.
I think this entire humiliating season was enough to finally wake ownership and the FO up if they’re actually listening, and acquiescing. George means well, but he hasn’t believed how badly he has set things up. On down through his FO people. Somehow, they get it now that change must happen at long last. And it isn’t a small thing for a billionaire to actually do this.