Cade Cunningham should be an all star

Kalamazoo317 · Post #261 » by **Kalamazoo317** » Wed Jan 15, 2025 4:26 pm

Yeah, I think if you take a snapshot of the moment, Cade is playing better than Brunson and Ant. Probably wouldn't reasonably rank him over either of those guys in terms of value/overall expectations yet, though.

CptCrunch · Post #262 » by **CptCrunch** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 11:37 pm

Vintage Cade tonight. 7/26 shooting.

Shows 3 years of this garbage type of zero impact play. Plaiyng 20 games of good basketball and some think Cade isn't actually the most overrated player in NBA history.

Ayt · Post #263 » by **Ayt** » Sun Jan 19, 2025 12:43 am

CptCrunch wrote:Vintage Cade tonight. 7/26 shooting.

Shows 3 years of this garbage type of zero impact play. Plaiyng 20 games of good basketball and some think Cade isn't actually the most overrated player in NBA history.

Are you drunk?

Personal Attack.

chilluminati · Post #264 » by **chilluminati** » Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:10 am

CptCrunch wrote:Vintage Cade tonight. 7/26 shooting.

Shows 3 years of this garbage type of zero impact play. Plaiyng 20 games of good basketball and some think Cade isn't actually the most overrated player in NBA history.

nice bait bro

DLoMor · Post #265 » by **DLoMor** » Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:44 am

CptCrunch wrote:Vintage Cade tonight. 7/26 shooting.

Shows 3 years of this garbage type of zero impact play. Plaiyng 20 games of good basketball and some think Cade isn't actually the most overrated player in NBA history.

Lets go dig up horrible Paolo Banchero games.

Mr Peanut · Post #266 » by **Mr Peanut** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 10:07 am

CptCrunch wrote:Vintage Cade tonight. 7/26 shooting.

Shows 3 years of this garbage type of zero impact play. Plaiyng 20 games of good basketball and some think Cade isn't actually the most overrated player in NBA history.

Was looking through the Amen/Ausar thread the other day and happened across this gem from CptCrunch. Let's just all agree that they are not the best talent evaluator (despite the self-professed decade long history of calling out busts).

CptCrunch wrote:Amen is not draftable in the lotto. Ausar is a late lotto pick. This is the only reasonable outcome on a risk adjusted basis. The Thompsons are straight up terrible for second year OTE players getting dominated by unranked high schoolers who are 17-18 right now.

These twins are the most fraudulent pair of prospects I've ever seen. Ote is probably paying content creators to make highlight videos of them. Recall, when was the last time some prospects received more social media attention than the twins?

JujitsuFlip · Post #267 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:24 pm

DLoMor wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:Vintage Cade tonight. 7/26 shooting.

Shows 3 years of this garbage type of zero impact play. Plaiyng 20 games of good basketball and some think Cade isn't actually the most overrated player in NBA history.

Lets go dig up horrible Paolo Banchero games.

Wouldn't take ya long... Banchero's stat line last night.

4/16 shooting 0/2 from deep 2/3 from the line for 10 points.

PhilBlackson · Post #268 » by **PhilBlackson** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:54 pm

He’s pretty much a lock.

To take a team that basically this year’s Wizards to a Playoffs just one year later can’t be denied especially when his surrounding roster is prob the most mid of any team in the hunt for a spot.

Mr Peanut · Post #269 » by **Mr Peanut** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:17 pm

Cade drops 32/7/7 in leading the Pistons to a comfortable win on the Rockets home floor. Took over the game in the third quarter.

He had as many combined points as Sengun (17) and Jalen Green (15).

aad · Post #270 » by **aad** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:11 pm

He had a good game but 10 turnovers that can’t happen

Han Solo · Post #271 » by **Han Solo** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:20 pm

aad wrote:He had a good game but 10 turnovers that can’t happen

Cade is becoming the best guard in the East. If his turnovers are all he needs to beat, he will. He looks like Kobe out there.

He’s better than anyone on your team Cap’n Crunch. Deal with it.

zeebneeb · Post #272 » by **zeebneeb** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:32 pm

Han Solo wrote:
aad wrote:He had a good game but 10 turnovers that can’t happen

Cade is becoming the best guard in the East. If his turnovers are all he needs to beat, he will. He looks like Kobe out there.

He’s better than anyone on your team Cap’n Crunch. Deal with it.

It is real easy to look at the box score, and see 10 TO and think WTF, but when you watch the game, and see Houston hard trapping Cade constantly, it's easy to see why. Also, Houston plays a very physical brand of defense.

Can anyone post a gif, or clip of Cade yamming it on a bunch of Rockets? Man Cade was barking after that one.

MrBigShot · Post #273 » by **MrBigShot** » Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:03 am

Cade styles on jalen green, as usual.

Post #274 » by **tsherkin** » Tue Jan 21, 2025 1:23 am

CptCrunch wrote:Vintage Cade tonight. 7/26 shooting.

Shows 3 years of this garbage type of zero impact play. Plaiyng 20 games of good basketball and some think Cade isn't actually the most overrated player in NBA history.

This isn't accurate.

His playmaking alone has him a clear positive on offense. He isn't elite and his scoring holds him back, but to suggest he has "garbage type of zero impact play" is startlingly ignorant. He is very much not "the most overrated player in NBA history," that isn't an especially apt or insightful remark at all.

whitehops · Post #275 » by **whitehops** » Tue Jan 21, 2025 1:58 am

zeebneeb wrote:It is real easy to look at the box score, and see 10 TO and think WTF, but when you watch the game, and see Houston hard trapping Cade constantly, it's easy to see why. Also, Houston plays a very physical brand of defense.

Can anyone post a gif, or clip of Cade yamming it on a bunch of Rockets? Man Cade was barking after that one.

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Ayt · Post #276 » by **Ayt** » Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:02 am

The turnovers will come down. I think he'll also figure out how to get to the line at a higher rate. You can see how much he's growing with better structure around him.

doogie_hauser · Post #277 » by **doogie_hauser** » Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:06 am

Does anyone else who actually understand the nuances of NBA basketball is that a reason why Cade has a lot of turnovers per game is because be plays with (all due respect) a lot of team mates with fairly average/low IQ who don't have the same spacing and awareness that Cade tries to create ? (I don't mean to be too harsh on the other Pistons players btw)

CC has a very amazing and astute Hoops IQ, unfortunately The Pistons haven't been able yet to assemble a supporting (yet) who can function on a similar cerebal level as Cade (yet, granted they have mostly a very young team)

Cade probably actually needs to take more field goal attempts/shots in games until his team mates can get into sync with his play making/passing.

This is just my casual observations from someone who doesn't watch the Pistons as often as I should..

Happy for Detriot fans to prove me wrong, regardless Cade will be an All Star This season. Numbers/stats don't lie

MMyhre · Post #278 » by **MMyhre** » Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:08 am

tsherkin wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:Vintage Cade tonight. 7/26 shooting.

Shows 3 years of this garbage type of zero impact play. Plaiyng 20 games of good basketball and some think Cade isn't actually the most overrated player in NBA history.

This isn't accurate.

His playmaking alone has him a clear positive on offense. He isn't elite and his scoring holds him back, but to suggest he has "garbage type of zero impact play" is startlingly ignorant. He is very much not "the most overrated player in NBA history," that isn't an especially apt or insightful remark at all.

His assist to turnover ratio being mediocre to poor? puts a clamp on how valuable his playmaking is, even if it is a positive we can`t really praise him for 10 turnovers with 7 assists and say that its really his teams fault because they are stupid. The best playmakers make reads and adjustments before things happen and during the game.

Odd player, the volume stats kind of scream star to me, but its tough to know the true value. I found it a bit hilarious that bball ref had his similarity scores through 3 years with true greats like Isaac Bonga, Daequan Cook and Moochie Norris. Thats a high bar to reach.

JujitsuFlip · Post #279 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:33 am

doogie_hauser wrote:Does anyone else who actually understand the nuances of NBA basketball is that a reason why Cade has a lot of turnovers per game is because be plays with (all due respect) a lot of team mates with fairly average/low IQ who don't have the same spacing and awareness that Cade tries to create ? (I don't mean to be too harsh on the other Pistons players btw)

CC has a very amazing and astute Hoops IQ, unfortunately The Pistons haven't been able yet to assemble a supporting (yet) who can function on a similar cerebal level as Cade (yet, granted they have mostly a very young team)

Cade probably actually needs to take more field goal attempts/shots in games until his team mates can get into sync with his play making/passing.

This is just my casual observations from someone who doesn't watch the Pistons as often as I should..

Happy for Detriot fans to prove me wrong, regardless Cade will be an All Star This season. Numbers/stats don't lie

It's because the guy has the ball a lot.

He's top 4 in the NBA in touches per game. Jokic 107.6, Trae 93.6, Hali 93.4, and Cade 92.8

He's top 3 in the NBA in time per possession. Brunson 8.8 seconds, Trae 8.3 seconds, Cade 8.2 seconds

He's the lone ball handler on that team. Prior to his injury Ivey is trying to become that second creator but the Pistons only have Cade running the show.

Mr Peanut · Post #280 » by **Mr Peanut** » Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:00 am

doogie_hauser wrote:Does anyone else who actually understand the nuances of NBA basketball is that a reason why Cade has a lot of turnovers per game is because be plays with (all due respect) a lot of team mates with fairly average/low IQ who don't have the same spacing and awareness that Cade tries to create ? (I don't mean to be too harsh on the other Pistons players btw)

CC has a very amazing and astute Hoops IQ, unfortunately The Pistons haven't been able yet to assemble a supporting (yet) who can function on a similar cerebal level as Cade (yet, granted they have mostly a very young team)

Cade probably actually needs to take more field goal attempts/shots in games until his team mates can get into sync with his play making/passing.

This is just my casual observations from someone who doesn't watch the Pistons as often as I should..

Happy for Detriot fans to prove me wrong, regardless Cade will be an All Star This season. Numbers/stats don't lie

I agree for the most part. Although I will admit that some of his turnovers are fairly egregious and somewhat unforced. But he is still learning the NBA game and I think he'll cut a lot of those out with time as he continues to develop. Certainly his turnover numbers have crept up since Ivey went down injured and teams are now focusing all their defensive attention on him.

I think in future seasons he eventually settles out at around 3-3.5 turnovers per game rather than his current 4.5. Which you'd gladly accept given his high usage and the fact he averages close to 10 assists per game.