Trade Ideas

[JujitsuFlip]

Yes, but I don't know if the Blazers would.

They have a pretty big logjam at the center position and he's at the very end of it. We may be able to throw in our own SRP this year (or Milwaukee's) and I feel like that has to be a done deal on the Blazers end. Get some value out of your 4th center who barely gets minutes.

I feel like even just CPJ on a rookie deal should do it. Gives them a super cheap young back-up PG for a few years to attempt to get more value out of. I'm iffy on it even just saying that portion, but I just don't foresee CPJ entering a regular playoff rotation for us during his current contract.

I wouldn't move CPJ until I knew what was going to happen to Jerome and LeVert.

Sucks he fell all way outta the rotation, we're just a deep team, the way Kenny coaches.

But i tend to agree, he's a cheap, young, cost controlled contract. Better to hang onto him.

[jbk1234]

They have a pretty big logjam at the center position and he's at the very end of it. We may be able to throw in our own SRP this year (or Milwaukee's) and I feel like that has to be a done deal on the Blazers end. Get some value out of your 4th center who barely gets minutes.

I feel like even just CPJ on a rookie deal should do it. Gives them a super cheap young back-up PG for a few years to attempt to get more value out of. I'm iffy on it even just saying that portion, but I just don't foresee CPJ entering a regular playoff rotation for us during his current contract.

I wouldn't move CPJ until I knew what was going to happen to Jerome and LeVert.

Sucks he fell all way outta the rotation, we're just a deep team, the way Kenny coaches.

But i tend to agree, he's a cheap, young, cost controlled contract. Better to hang onto him.

The bloom kind of came off the rose on CPJ after the scouting report came out on him and we started playing better teams last year. Garland was forced to play an absurd amount of minutes coming back from an injury because CPJ couldn't stay on the floor against good defensive teams who pressed. I think Kenny is a better coach with better counters to that, but CPJ definitely looked like a guy who went undrafted last March and April.

[JujitsuFlip]

I wouldn't move CPJ until I knew what was going to happen to Jerome and LeVert.

Sucks he fell all way outta the rotation, we're just a deep team, the way Kenny coaches.

But i tend to agree, he's a cheap, young, cost controlled contract. Better to hang onto him.

The bloom kind of came off the rose on CPJ after the scouting report came out on him and we started playing better teams last year. Garland was forced to play an absurd amount of minutes coming back from an injury because CPJ couldn't stay on the floor against good defensive teams who pressed. I think Kenny is a better coach with better counters to that, but CPJ definitely looked like a guy who went undrafted last March and April.

As a 3rd PG he's fine though. He's exactly what Bradon Goodwin shoulda been, had he not had an inflated ego.

[jbk1234]

Sucks he fell all way outta the rotation, we're just a deep team, the way Kenny coaches.

But i tend to agree, he's a cheap, young, cost controlled contract. Better to hang onto him.

The bloom kind of came off the rose on CPJ after the scouting report came out on him and we started playing better teams last year. Garland was forced to play an absurd amount of minutes coming back from an injury because CPJ couldn't stay on the floor against good defensive teams who pressed. I think Kenny is a better coach with better counters to that, but CPJ definitely looked like a guy who went undrafted last March and April.

As a 3rd PG he's fine though. He's exactly what Bradon Goodwin shoulda been, had he not had an inflated ego.

He's fine on his current deal, but Ty Jerome was a 3rd string PG for GS when we stole him just to give you sense of how many players are out there.

[JujitsuFlip]

The bloom kind of came off the rose on CPJ after the scouting report came out on him and we started playing better teams last year. Garland was forced to play an absurd amount of minutes coming back from an injury because CPJ couldn't stay on the floor against good defensive teams who pressed. I think Kenny is a better coach with better counters to that, but CPJ definitely looked like a guy who went undrafted last March and April.

As a 3rd PG he's fine though. He's exactly what Bradon Goodwin shoulda been, had he not had an inflated ego.

He's fine on his current deal, but Ty Jerome was a 3rd string PG for GS when we stole him just to give you sense of how many players are out there.

Pure mastery by Koby on that one btw. Gave him the BAE so it made it near impossible for the Warriors to match.

[ijspeelman]

Sorry I've been really interested in finding good trade candidates to bolster our team and I compiled a list of who the Cavs should look at and we can relatively afford:
KJ Martin
Noah Clowney
Day'Ron Sharpe
Kelly Olynyk (this will never happen, but still wanted to put it here)
Chris Boucher
Jalen Smith
Larry Nance Jr.
Haywood Highsmith
Jonas Valančiūnas
Duop Reath
Walker Kessler
Drew Eubanks

Any guys you want to add or just nix off this list?

[toooskies]

Sorry I've been really interested in finding good trade candidates to bolster our team and I compiled a list of who the Cavs should look at and we can relatively afford:
KJ Martin
Noah Clowney
Day'Ron Sharpe
Kelly Olynyk (this will never happen, but still wanted to put it here)
Chris Boucher
Jalen Smith
Larry Nance Jr.
Haywood Highsmith
Jonas Valančiūnas
Duop Reath
Walker Kessler
Drew Eubanks

Any guys you want to add or just nix off this list?

Is there anyone available who can make Shai work to get his points? Also applies to Dame and Brunson and Herro and any other playoff guard who’s stealing a spot from Garland in the ASG.

[ijspeelman]

Is there anyone available who can make Shai work to get his points? Also applies to Dame and Brunson and Herro and any other playoff guard who’s stealing a spot from Garland in the ASG.

Davion Mitchell
Bruce Brown (probs too expensive)
Lonzo Ball (probs too expensive)
Jevon Carter (eh)
Haywood Highsmith
Josh Okogie
Malcolm Brogdon (probs too expensive)
Dalano Banton
Matisse Thybulle (coming off a major injury)
Gary Payton II
Royce O'Neale
Damion Lee
Kris Dunn
Terance Mann
Cody Martin
Caleb Martin

Some of these guys are def stretches, but these are the ones I assume would be available and we'd have the assets to make the move

Best defense I've seen on SGA has been by Sochan, DeAnthony Melton, Gary Payton II, Nikola Jovic, Haywood Highsmith, Lonzo Ball, and Josh Okogie. The bigger body guys just sell out on the three and only jump to contest once Shai has fully committed to the move. He's not really stoppable, but if you can decrease the amount of times he gets to the rim or FT line you are putting yourself in the best position.

[JujitsuFlip]

Is there anyone available who can make Shai work to get his points? Also applies to Dame and Brunson and Herro and any other playoff guard who’s stealing a spot from Garland in the ASG.

Davion Mitchell
Bruce Brown (probs too expensive)
Lonzo Ball (probs too expensive)
Jevon Carter (eh)
Haywood Highsmith
Josh Okogie
Malcolm Brogdon (probs too expensive)
Dalano Banton
Matisse Thybulle (coming off a major injury)
Gary Payton II
Royce O'Neale
Damion Lee
Kris Dunn
Terance Mann
Cody Martin
Caleb Martin

Some of these guys are def stretches, but these are the ones I assume would be available and we'd have the assets to make the move

Best defense I've seen on SGA has been by Sochan, DeAnthony Melton, Gary Payton II, Nikola Jovic, Haywood Highsmith, Lonzo Ball, and Josh Okogie. The bigger body guys just sell out on the three and only jump to contest once Shai has fully committed to the move. He's not really stoppable, but if you can decrease the amount of times he gets to the rim or FT line you are putting yourself in the best position.

Apparently Okogie could be on the move again, just snag him.

[jbk1234]

Is there anyone available who can make Shai work to get his points? Also applies to Dame and Brunson and Herro and any other playoff guard who’s stealing a spot from Garland in the ASG.

Davion Mitchell
Bruce Brown (probs too expensive)
Lonzo Ball (probs too expensive)
Jevon Carter (eh)
Haywood Highsmith
Josh Okogie
Malcolm Brogdon (probs too expensive)
Dalano Banton
Matisse Thybulle (coming off a major injury)
Gary Payton II
Royce O'Neale
Damion Lee
Kris Dunn
Terance Mann
Cody Martin
Caleb Martin

Some of these guys are def stretches, but these are the ones I assume would be available and we'd have the assets to make the move

Best defense I've seen on SGA has been by Sochan, DeAnthony Melton, Gary Payton II, Nikola Jovic, Haywood Highsmith, Lonzo Ball, and Josh Okogie. The bigger body guys just sell out on the three and only jump to contest once Shai has fully committed to the move. He's not really stoppable, but if you can decrease the amount of times he gets to the rim or FT line you are putting yourself in the best position.

If we feel the need to make a move like that, Okoro should be headed out as that's the only justification for having him on the roster. We need a backup big who doesn't crater our defense.

[toooskies]

Is there anyone available who can make Shai work to get his points? Also applies to Dame and Brunson and Herro and any other playoff guard who’s stealing a spot from Garland in the ASG.

Davion Mitchell
Bruce Brown (probs too expensive)
Lonzo Ball (probs too expensive)
Jevon Carter (eh)
Haywood Highsmith
Josh Okogie
Malcolm Brogdon (probs too expensive)
Dalano Banton
Matisse Thybulle (coming off a major injury)
Gary Payton II
Royce O'Neale
Damion Lee
Kris Dunn
Terance Mann
Cody Martin
Caleb Martin

Some of these guys are def stretches, but these are the ones I assume would be available and we'd have the assets to make the move

Best defense I've seen on SGA has been by Sochan, DeAnthony Melton, Gary Payton II, Nikola Jovic, Haywood Highsmith, Lonzo Ball, and Josh Okogie. The bigger body guys just sell out on the three and only jump to contest once Shai has fully committed to the move. He's not really stoppable, but if you can decrease the amount of times he gets to the rim or FT line you are putting yourself in the best position.

If we feel the need to make a move like that, Okoro should be headed out as that's the only justification for having him on the roster. We need a backup big who doesn't crater our defense.

Only having one true point of attack defender may be as big of an issue as not having a situational/emergency/backup big, but yes, Okoro is somewhat expendable in that trade.

[JonFromVA]

Davion Mitchell
Bruce Brown (probs too expensive)
Lonzo Ball (probs too expensive)
Jevon Carter (eh)
Haywood Highsmith
Josh Okogie
Malcolm Brogdon (probs too expensive)
Dalano Banton
Matisse Thybulle (coming off a major injury)
Gary Payton II
Royce O'Neale
Damion Lee
Kris Dunn
Terance Mann
Cody Martin
Caleb Martin

Some of these guys are def stretches, but these are the ones I assume would be available and we'd have the assets to make the move

Best defense I've seen on SGA has been by Sochan, DeAnthony Melton, Gary Payton II, Nikola Jovic, Haywood Highsmith, Lonzo Ball, and Josh Okogie. The bigger body guys just sell out on the three and only jump to contest once Shai has fully committed to the move. He's not really stoppable, but if you can decrease the amount of times he gets to the rim or FT line you are putting yourself in the best position.

If we feel the need to make a move like that, Okoro should be headed out as that's the only justification for having him on the roster. We need a backup big who doesn't crater our defense.

Only having one true point of attack defender may be as big of an issue as not having a situational/emergency/backup big, but yes, Okoro is somewhat expendable in that trade.

It's rare everything is equal.

Okoro is still a developing young player who's under contract for two more seasons and has been shooting the 3-ball well when his shoulder isn't messed up.

Maybe the guy we snag is a veteran non-shooting defensive stopper that's expiring that we dust off to just shake things up ... might even be a buyout candidate at that point

Thinking Dahntay Jones type of player here...

[jbk1234]

Davion Mitchell
Bruce Brown (probs too expensive)
Lonzo Ball (probs too expensive)
Jevon Carter (eh)
Haywood Highsmith
Josh Okogie
Malcolm Brogdon (probs too expensive)
Dalano Banton
Matisse Thybulle (coming off a major injury)
Gary Payton II
Royce O'Neale
Damion Lee
Kris Dunn
Terance Mann
Cody Martin
Caleb Martin

Some of these guys are def stretches, but these are the ones I assume would be available and we'd have the assets to make the move

Best defense I've seen on SGA has been by Sochan, DeAnthony Melton, Gary Payton II, Nikola Jovic, Haywood Highsmith, Lonzo Ball, and Josh Okogie. The bigger body guys just sell out on the three and only jump to contest once Shai has fully committed to the move. He's not really stoppable, but if you can decrease the amount of times he gets to the rim or FT line you are putting yourself in the best position.

If we feel the need to make a move like that, Okoro should be headed out as that's the only justification for having him on the roster. We need a backup big who doesn't crater our defense.

Only having one true point of attack defender may be as big of an issue as not having a situational/emergency/backup big, but yes, Okoro is somewhat expendable in that trade.

Wade, Strus, and Okoro are capable of POA defenders. If you're talking about Tatum or Giannis, Mobley works. What doesn't work is having Niang and/or too many undersized guards on the floor.

[toooskies]

If we feel the need to make a move like that, Okoro should be headed out as that's the only justification for having him on the roster. We need a backup big who doesn't crater our defense.

Only having one true point of attack defender may be as big of an issue as not having a situational/emergency/backup big, but yes, Okoro is somewhat expendable in that trade.

Wade, Strus, and Okoro are capable of POA defenders. If you're talking about Tatum or Giannis, Mobley works. What doesn't work is having Niang and/or too many undersized guards on the floor.

Shai got wherever he wanted against all three of those guys. I’m not sure there’s a better candidate to guard him that’s available, but I’d at least explore the available options.

[JonFromVA]

Only having one true point of attack defender may be as big of an issue as not having a situational/emergency/backup big, but yes, Okoro is somewhat expendable in that trade.

Wade, Strus, and Okoro are capable of POA defenders. If you're talking about Tatum or Giannis, Mobley works. What doesn't work is having Niang and/or too many undersized guards on the floor.

Shai got wherever he wanted against all three of those guys. I’m not sure there’s a better candidate to guard him that’s available, but I’d at least explore the available options.

Only the Warriors have managed to hold Shai to under 50% FG% in 2 games, but they still sent him to the line a bunch of times. The Cavs are one of the teams that managed to limit his free throws, but he scored more from the field.

It's a pick your poison situation at best. Play him close and physical and he'll draw fouls or avoid fouling and he'll get to his spots and bury mid-rangers.

You'd better like your new flavor of poison a lot or find it cheap on the buyout market.

Otherwise ... I'd say encourage Shai to shoot contested 3's. If he starts making them, try to get him to shoot contested 2's without fouling. If we're lucky he won't make all of them, the Thunder's offense will stagnate, and we'll have a chance to beat them by generating a higher offensive rating.

And like it or not, but Niang does have gravity - especially in the corner. Sometimes it's subtle but watch when Mitchell or Garland drive in to the paint. Niang's defender might be right there, but watch what he does at the last moment. If he's running to Georges rather than helping wall off the paint ... then that's an effect of true gravity.

[jbk1234]

Only having one true point of attack defender may be as big of an issue as not having a situational/emergency/backup big, but yes, Okoro is somewhat expendable in that trade.

Wade, Strus, and Okoro are capable of POA defenders. If you're talking about Tatum or Giannis, Mobley works. What doesn't work is having Niang and/or too many undersized guards on the floor.

Shai got wherever he wanted against all three of those guys. I’m not sure there’s a better candidate to guard him that’s available, but I’d at least explore the available options.

I think if you look at Wade's non center minutes, he was actually okay. It's just that Wade can't be your only rim protector and POA defender simultaneously.

It also helps if SGA has to worry about a big stepping out and showing on those mid range shot. There's less than a handful of guys in the NBA who will actually bother SGA individually and only one of them is likely to be traded (Thybulle) for what the Cavs will be willing to offer. Assuming he's healthy enough to play, you have to think about sacrifing offense out of that position.

He might be fine out of the dunker's spot, with only one of Allen or Mobley on the floor, but if you're trading him to guard SGA, OKC can dictate when you play him. I really think that trading for a guy like Boucher, so you can always have two defensive bigs on the floor, is the way to go

[toooskies]

Wade, Strus, and Okoro are capable of POA defenders. If you're talking about Tatum or Giannis, Mobley works. What doesn't work is having Niang and/or too many undersized guards on the floor.

Shai got wherever he wanted against all three of those guys. I’m not sure there’s a better candidate to guard him that’s available, but I’d at least explore the available options.

I think if you look at Wade's non center minutes, he was actually okay. It's just that Wade can't be your only rim protector and POA defender simultaneously.

It also helps if SGA has to worry about a big stepping out and showing on those mid range shot. There's less than a handful of guys in the NBA who will actually bother SGA individually and only one of them is likely to be traded (Thybulle) for what the Cavs will be willing to offer. Assuming he's healthy enough to play, you have to think about sacrifing offense out of that position.

He might be fine out of the dunker's spot, with only one of Allen or Mobley on the floor, but if you're trading him to guard SGA, OKC can dictate when you play him. I really think that trading for a guy like Boucher, so you can always have two defensive bigs on the floor, is the way to go

Yeah, most of the list that was posted is not what I envisioned when I thought about someone who could slow down SGA-- many are somewhere in between Strus and Okoro, and I was hoping for better than Okoro. And I don't think you can count on Thybulle being that guy given that he's been hurt all year.

We can always have two defensive bigs on the floor if we just use Mobley/Allen/Wade in a three-man rotation rather than playing Wade at the 3, and that was what I assumed the plan was last summer when we didn't add anybody. You can add Niang on a matchup basis and sometimes slide Wade to the 3 in those lineups when the matchup fits Niang.

Adding Boucher requires subtracting a guy and I just don't think we do that unless someone's unhappy with their role. (That could happen with Strus or LeVert if they're both angling to close games at the 3, or with Merrill if we ever get healthy and bump him from the rotation.)

[JujitsuFlip]

Shai got wherever he wanted against all three of those guys. I’m not sure there’s a better candidate to guard him that’s available, but I’d at least explore the available options.

I think if you look at Wade's non center minutes, he was actually okay. It's just that Wade can't be your only rim protector and POA defender simultaneously.

It also helps if SGA has to worry about a big stepping out and showing on those mid range shot. There's less than a handful of guys in the NBA who will actually bother SGA individually and only one of them is likely to be traded (Thybulle) for what the Cavs will be willing to offer. Assuming he's healthy enough to play, you have to think about sacrifing offense out of that position.

He might be fine out of the dunker's spot, with only one of Allen or Mobley on the floor, but if you're trading him to guard SGA, OKC can dictate when you play him. I really think that trading for a guy like Boucher, so you can always have two defensive bigs on the floor, is the way to go

Yeah, most of the list that was posted is not what I envisioned when I thought about someone who could slow down SGA-- many are somewhere in between Strus and Okoro, and I was hoping for better than Okoro. And I don't think you can count on Thybulle being that guy given that he's been hurt all year.

We can always have two defensive bigs on the floor if we just use Mobley/Allen/Wade in a three-man rotation rather than playing Wade at the 3, and that was what I assumed the plan was last summer when we didn't add anybody. You can add Niang on a matchup basis and sometimes slide Wade to the 3 in those lineups when the matchup fits Niang.

Adding Boucher requires subtracting a guy and I just don't think we do that unless someone's unhappy with their role. (That could happen with Strus or LeVert if they're both angling to close games at the 3, or with Merrill if we ever get healthy and bump him from the rotation.)

I just looked that TJ and Merrill have the same agent (Chandler Hutchinson on the Charge too).

Idk if that is a good or bad sign in trying to retain the 2 expiring guys this summer.

[toooskies]

I think if you look at Wade's non center minutes, he was actually okay. It's just that Wade can't be your only rim protector and POA defender simultaneously.

It also helps if SGA has to worry about a big stepping out and showing on those mid range shot. There's less than a handful of guys in the NBA who will actually bother SGA individually and only one of them is likely to be traded (Thybulle) for what the Cavs will be willing to offer. Assuming he's healthy enough to play, you have to think about sacrifing offense out of that position.

He might be fine out of the dunker's spot, with only one of Allen or Mobley on the floor, but if you're trading him to guard SGA, OKC can dictate when you play him. I really think that trading for a guy like Boucher, so you can always have two defensive bigs on the floor, is the way to go

Yeah, most of the list that was posted is not what I envisioned when I thought about someone who could slow down SGA-- many are somewhere in between Strus and Okoro, and I was hoping for better than Okoro. And I don't think you can count on Thybulle being that guy given that he's been hurt all year.

We can always have two defensive bigs on the floor if we just use Mobley/Allen/Wade in a three-man rotation rather than playing Wade at the 3, and that was what I assumed the plan was last summer when we didn't add anybody. You can add Niang on a matchup basis and sometimes slide Wade to the 3 in those lineups when the matchup fits Niang.

Adding Boucher requires subtracting a guy and I just don't think we do that unless someone's unhappy with their role. (That could happen with Strus or LeVert if they're both angling to close games at the 3, or with Merrill if we ever get healthy and bump him from the rotation.)

I just looked that TJ and Merrill have the same agent (Chandler Hutchinson on the Charge too).

Idk if that is a good or bad sign in trying to retain the 2 expiring guys this summer.

Same agent as Max Strus, too.

Collin Sexton had the same agent as Caris LeVert when we traded for Caris. When the writing was on the wall that only one of LeVert or Sexton were up for the same role on the team and both were going to be FAs, Sexton switched to Klutch.

[jbk1234]

Yeah, most of the list that was posted is not what I envisioned when I thought about someone who could slow down SGA-- many are somewhere in between Strus and Okoro, and I was hoping for better than Okoro. And I don't think you can count on Thybulle being that guy given that he's been hurt all year.

We can always have two defensive bigs on the floor if we just use Mobley/Allen/Wade in a three-man rotation rather than playing Wade at the 3, and that was what I assumed the plan was last summer when we didn't add anybody. You can add Niang on a matchup basis and sometimes slide Wade to the 3 in those lineups when the matchup fits Niang.

Adding Boucher requires subtracting a guy and I just don't think we do that unless someone's unhappy with their role. (That could happen with Strus or LeVert if they're both angling to close games at the 3, or with Merrill if we ever get healthy and bump him from the rotation.)

I just looked that TJ and Merrill have the same agent (Chandler Hutchinson on the Charge too).

Idk if that is a good or bad sign in trying to retain the 2 expiring guys this summer.

Same agent as Max Strus, too.

Collin Sexton had the same agent as Caris LeVert when we traded for Caris. When the writing was on the wall that only one of LeVert or Sexton were up for the same role on the team and both were going to be FAs, Sexton switched to Klutch.

I don't think Sexton was ever interested in that role. He saw himself as the face of the franchise.