PG: KNICKS Get Revenge Against The Hairy Lollipop!!

[mpharris36]

That's true in a general sense, but not in a specific sense. Everyone has a different threshold and the body adapts to the demands put on it as long as there is adequate recovery. That is why there is no magic number of minutes that prevents injury.

I'm just noting that the Knicks have been one of the healthiest teams in the league so far this season

Agreed, but you have to admit though still a smallish sample size

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the starters playing this many minutes is typically unheard of. But lets say we have been lucky so far with injuries...which we have.

I think the 4th qtr struggles are directly related to fatigue.

Other teams can't do it because they've been too injured

I think the 4th qtr struggles could also be fatigue related, but I don't have an answer for the 1st quarter or 3rd quarter struggles

Knicks NET ratings by QTR:

1st - +2.4 (ranked 10th)
2nd - +13.0 (ranked 1st)
3rd - +11.4 (ranked 5th)
4th - -3.6 (ranked 24th)

at least to me that would suggest a large outlier.

[sol537]

-> KAT might have the worst whistle in the NBA and I believe it's because he's often out of control on his drives, he complains too much, he's strong as a bull so the contact doesn't move his arms as much as it does to others, and he doesn't do a good job selling the foul. He's gotta learn from Big Body Brunson.

-> We're the worst 4th quarter team due to fatigue. That's on Thibs. Hopefully he's seen the light but I'm skeptical.

-> Something is up with OG for sure. This is his worst stretch since he's gotten here. I think Hart may have been talking about OG with his Ego comments. I think part of it is his elbow injury, his overall mental and physical fatigue (he's playing his most minutes by far this season), and part of it is that he's not getting as many touches as he's normally used to. We gotta involve him more and he's gotta involve himself more and be assertive. I've seen the ball knocked out of his hands more in the last two weeks than I have in the last two months before that. Something is up...

[BKlutch]

We can't say with certainty how future injuries will be affected by playing more guys of the bench, but we can say that our starters had a lot more energy for defense in the 3rd and 4th quarters. I liked it.

Clyde was discussing minutes near the end of the game. He said he played over 40 minutes a game and it never bothered him. He is just an amazing physical specimen, though, and maybe not everybody else is built to withstand such huge minutes the way he is.

Let's hope Thibs believes his eyes, and the numbers, and the videos, and plays the bench guys throughout the game starting in the 1st quarter, so the starters have energy to close out the game. If not, I hear the ghost of Tony Soprano may try to talk some sense into him.

Clyde was playing 40 mins a game and it was mostly north and south cardio lets be real. They didn't have intricate cuts, herky-jerky moves, all these hesi's, crossovers, fast twitch moves trying to shake off swarms of freak athlete defenders. Far less movement on offense and defense.

Nobody on the team would have a problem playing 40 mins a game in the damn 1970s

If you'd seen those games live, you wouldn't say that (unless you wanted to troll). It's simply not open to discussion.

[Reign23]

just watched. really good hard fought win. we and I needed that

[Besart19]

I think KAT got put on Trae in two switch situations and forced a miss and turnover. So again why don't we switch more? Trae one of the toughest matchups for bigs. If he can do that he should be switching more often.

Agree with that, at the very least he's not a liability during switch.

he played a lot of 4 last year...so I think he's way more comfortable on the perimeter than guarding in drop coverage. Play to your players strengths.

he is tall, big and quick and he cant be worse than Randle… he should never bite the pump fakes… just raise your rocket high hand and its a 100% deflected shot, TO or travel

[BKlutch]

First game back at the Garden since he did the dice roll....The Knicks forced Young into a ton of turnovers and had EVERYONE HE DEFENDED attack. Mikal torched him; Cam came in and shot right in his grill; Deuce came in and went at him (couldn't buy a three though); and the handful of times Brunson got that switch, he attacked it too.

They took the high road in terms of speaking to the press, but the Knicks just went at Young's neck and responded in a way I can really appreciate.

You could see his hair falling more and more with each of those plays.

[BKlutch]

We can't say with certainty how future injuries will be affected by playing more guys of the bench, but we can say that our starters had a lot more energy for defense in the 3rd and 4th quarters. I liked it.

Clyde was discussing minutes near the end of the game. He said he played over 40 minutes a game and it never bothered him. He is just an amazing physical specimen, though, and maybe not everybody else is built to withstand such huge minutes the way he is.

Let's hope Thibs believes his eyes, and the numbers, and the videos, and plays the bench guys throughout the game starting in the 1st quarter, so the starters have energy to close out the game. If not, I hear the ghost of Tony Soprano may try to talk some sense into him.

Yeah the pace of the game and the amount of space you have to cover is night and day. They weren't running the ball up and down jacking up up 3's. Most guys weren't shooting and spacing the floor in that era.

The amount of rotations and speed of the game requires so much more energy output.

The pace of the game was slower but it was played very differently than now. Defense today is a castrated version of how it was done back then. As Clyde said, "No blood, no foul." Hand checking and sometimes body slamming were acceptable.

Clyde developed the "stutter step" which was a forerunner of Brunsons crazy moves on the floor. It's probably why he fell in love with the captain so quickly when he saw how he played.

A good book by Chris Herring describes how physically dangerous it was playing in the days before most of us started following the NBA - Blood in the Garden. Highly recommended.

[LFGK]

Thats typically sports science though. Fatigue generally leads to more injuries...obviously for example fatigue has nothing to do with KAT's injury. There is a luck component.

But fatigue and injuries are typically correlated.

That's true in a general sense, but not in a specific sense. Everyone has a different threshold and the body adapts to the demands put on it as long as there is adequate recovery. That is why there is no magic number of minutes that prevents injury.

I'm just noting that the Knicks have been one of the healthiest teams in the league so far this season

Agreed, but you have to admit though still a smallish sample size

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the starters playing this many minutes is typically unheard of. But lets say we have been lucky so far with injuries...which we have.

I think the 4th qtr struggles are directly related to fatigue.

Man these lists are nonsense lol all the teams beneath us have had crazy injuries, if not they would be rite up there w us in this chart.

[MrDollarBills]

Apparently the NBA has decided there won't be many fouls on Karl Anthony Towns layups.

FTFY

[GONYK]

Agreed, but you have to admit though still a smallish sample size

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the starters playing this many minutes is typically unheard of. But lets say we have been lucky so far with injuries...which we have.

I think the 4th qtr struggles are directly related to fatigue.

Other teams can't do it because they've been too injured

I think the 4th qtr struggles could also be fatigue related, but I don't have an answer for the 1st quarter or 3rd quarter struggles

Knicks NET ratings by QTR:

1st - +2.4 (ranked 10th)
2nd - +13.0 (ranked 1st)
3rd - +11.4 (ranked 5th)
4th - -3.6 (ranked 24th)

at least to me that would suggest a large outlier.

Those are the NET ratings for the season.

Here is what it has been during our recent 10 game slog:

1st: -5.4
2nd: +9.3
3rd: -13.2
4th: -1.6

So the 4th has actually been our second best quarter during this stretch

[Gravy]

Every team we play has at least 3-6 injured players. Not sure why only our team's injuries are all coach related.

Because apparently only we play guys 36-37 minutes, no other player is in that range, and apparently no other teams have injuries. Everyone blaming Thibs because of rose and it's nonsense. I'm thankful for Thibs and the stability he's bought, would be nice to play guys on bench more though

OKC coach is praised for the teams low minutes and they still have articles about their injuries. Imagine if that was us.

https://lastwordonsports.com/basketball/2025/01/19/should-the-thunder-be-concerned-with-all-their-injuries/

[NoDopeOnSundays]

That's true in a general sense, but not in a specific sense. Everyone has a different threshold and the body adapts to the demands put on it as long as there is adequate recovery. That is why there is no magic number of minutes that prevents injury.

I'm just noting that the Knicks have been one of the healthiest teams in the league so far this season

Agreed, but you have to admit though still a smallish sample size

Read on Twitter

the starters playing this many minutes is typically unheard of. But lets say we have been lucky so far with injuries...which we have.

I think the 4th qtr struggles are directly related to fatigue.

Man these lists are nonsense lol all the teams beneath us have had crazy injuries, if not they would be rite up there w us in this chart.

Even when presented with numbers that show how extreme of an outlier the Knicks are, people will still come up with nonsensical excuses like this.

The Wolves & Rockets have been among the healthiest teams in the league so far this season, we are almost double their minutes for starters.

[mpharris36]

Other teams can't do it because they've been too injured

I think the 4th qtr struggles could also be fatigue related, but I don't have an answer for the 1st quarter or 3rd quarter struggles

Knicks NET ratings by QTR:

1st - +2.4 (ranked 10th)
2nd - +13.0 (ranked 1st)
3rd - +11.4 (ranked 5th)
4th - -3.6 (ranked 24th)

at least to me that would suggest a large outlier.

Those are the NET ratings for the season.

Here is what it has been during our recent 10 game slog:

1st: -5.4
2nd: +9.3
3rd: -13.2
4th: -1.6

So the 4th has actually been our second best quarter during this stretch

10 game sample size is a bit small as a game or two can really skew results.

1st and 3rd qtrs are usually gameplanning/adj issue no

[GONYK]

Knicks NET ratings by QTR:

1st - +2.4 (ranked 10th)
2nd - +13.0 (ranked 1st)
3rd - +11.4 (ranked 5th)
4th - -3.6 (ranked 24th)

at least to me that would suggest a large outlier.

Those are the NET ratings for the season.

Here is what it has been during our recent 10 game slog:

1st: -5.4
2nd: +9.3
3rd: -13.2
4th: -1.6

So the 4th has actually been our second best quarter during this stretch

10 game sample size is a bit small as a game or two can really skew results.

1st and 3rd qtrs are usually gameplanning/adj issue no

Well, 10 game is the sample size of underwhelming play following a 9 game win streak that has everyone so jittery and wanting to make changes to the rotation.

I'll leave it to others to decide how big a sample size is worth debating, but the NET ratings don't say that we can solely pin our performance on fatigue.

[mpharris36]

Those are the NET ratings for the season.

Here is what it has been during our recent 10 game slog:

1st: -5.4
2nd: +9.3
3rd: -13.2
4th: -1.6

So the 4th has actually been our second best quarter during this stretch

10 game sample size is a bit small as a game or two can really skew results.

1st and 3rd qtrs are usually gameplanning/adj issue no

Well, 10 game is the sample size of underwhelming play following a 9 game win streak that has everyone so jittery and wanting to make changes to the rotation.

I'll leave it to others to decide how big a sample size is worth debating, but the NET ratings don't say that we can solely pin our performance on fatigue.

I'm just saying over the course of the entire season a season, a season we are 12 games over .500 there is typically one qtr we don't perform well in.

Also in Jan during this stretch we have played a couple back to backs already so that could be some tired legs even to start the game (low energy).

We have also played OKC twice this month. The best 1st qtr and 3rd qtr team in the league so that wont help

Also 2 other games we lost during that stretch were CHI and DET which were the 2nd games in back to back.

[GONYK]

10 game sample size is a bit small as a game or two can really skew results.

1st and 3rd qtrs are usually gameplanning/adj issue no

Well, 10 game is the sample size of underwhelming play following a 9 game win streak that has everyone so jittery and wanting to make changes to the rotation.

I'll leave it to others to decide how big a sample size is worth debating, but the NET ratings don't say that we can solely pin our performance on fatigue.

I'm just saying over the course of the entire season a season, a season we are 12 games over .500 there is typically one qtr we don't perform well in.

Also in Jan during this stretch we have played a couple back to backs already so that could be some tired legs even to start the game (low energy).

We have also played OKC twice this month. The best 1st qtr and 3rd qtr team in the league so that wont help

Also 2 other games we lost during that stretch were CHI and DET which were the 2nd games in back to back.

Yea, it's true that is the overall trend, but there is probably some additional context in the 4th as well. I wish I could see the ratings with garbage time stripped out.

I think, on the whole, if we went back to kicking ass in the first 3 quarters, then the 4th won't matter as much. I'm just not so ready to pin every ailing this team has shown in the last 10 games on fatigue.

[mpharris36]

Well, 10 game is the sample size of underwhelming play following a 9 game win streak that has everyone so jittery and wanting to make changes to the rotation.

I'll leave it to others to decide how big a sample size is worth debating, but the NET ratings don't say that we can solely pin our performance on fatigue.

I'm just saying over the course of the entire season a season, a season we are 12 games over .500 there is typically one qtr we don't perform well in.

Also in Jan during this stretch we have played a couple back to backs already so that could be some tired legs even to start the game (low energy).

We have also played OKC twice this month. The best 1st qtr and 3rd qtr team in the league so that wont help

Also 2 other games we lost during that stretch were CHI and DET which were the 2nd games in back to back.

Yea, it's true that is the overall trend, but there is probably some additional context in the 4th as well. I wish I could see the ratings with garbage time stripped out.

I think, on the whole, if we went back to kicking ass in the first 3 quarters, then the 4th won't matter as much. I'm just not so ready to pin every ailing this team has shown in the last 10 games on fatigue.

I think that typically is a fine strategy vs teams we are way more talented then. Just blitz them early and not worry about the 4th qtr. However we have struggled vs the better teams this year and typically you don't blow out the best teams in the game and you win those games in the 4th qtr. I think that specifically happened to CLE game early in year. We got up early and then the defense kind of went to sh*t in the 4th qtr.

It just tough to keep up defensive intensity and rotations throughout a close game vs the better teams with short rotations.

[nykballa2k4]

That's true in a general sense, but not in a specific sense. Everyone has a different threshold and the body adapts to the demands put on it as long as there is adequate recovery. That is why there is no magic number of minutes that prevents injury.

I'm just noting that the Knicks have been one of the healthiest teams in the league so far this season

Agreed, but you have to admit though still a smallish sample size

Read on Twitter

the starters playing this many minutes is typically unheard of. But lets say we have been lucky so far with injuries...which we have.

I think the 4th qtr struggles are directly related to fatigue.

Man these lists are nonsense lol all the teams beneath us have had crazy injuries, if not they would be rite up there w us in this chart.

I agree that charts can be deceiving like that, but also there is the individual minutes played (our guys lead that) and MPG (our guys lead that). The data also shows that we are losing in the 4th.

Part of that is that Thibs can't draw an inbound to save his life.
Part of that is guys are gassed and, aside from JB and Hart, don't have that extra gear in the clutch.

[LFGK]

Agreed, but you have to admit though still a smallish sample size

Read on Twitter

the starters playing this many minutes is typically unheard of. But lets say we have been lucky so far with injuries...which we have.

I think the 4th qtr struggles are directly related to fatigue.

Man these lists are nonsense lol all the teams beneath us have had crazy injuries, if not they would be rite up there w us in this chart.

Even when presented with numbers that show how extreme of an outlier the Knicks are, people will still come up with nonsensical excuses like this.

The Wolves & Rockets have been among the healthiest teams in the league so far this season, we are almost double their minutes for starters.

Huh? Conley has missed about 5 games and and rockets have had different starting 5's they have used, this chart is pure nonsense

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Man these lists are nonsense lol all the teams beneath us have had crazy injuries, if not they would be rite up there w us in this chart.

Even when presented with numbers that show how extreme of an outlier the Knicks are, people will still come up with nonsensical excuses like this.

The Wolves & Rockets have been among the healthiest teams in the league so far this season, we are almost double their minutes for starters.

Huh? Conley has missed about 5 games and and rockets have had different starting 5's they have used, this chart is pure nonsense

KAT has missed 5 games, Josh 1, and Brunson 2, what are you even talking about? The minutes have GP, the Knicks are 38 GP with 734 minutes, the Wolves were 35 games with Conley as the starter and they were only 469 minutes.


The chart is from NBA.com, you can literally check the numbers yourself. Calling them BS is just you not wanting to accept the reality that we all can see with our own eyes.