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Bulls @ Clippers 9:30pm CT Jan. 20 2025

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Re: Bulls @ Clippers 9:30pm CT Jan. 20 2025 

Post#101 » by WesPeace » Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:12 pm

Guru wrote:
Mk0 wrote:
Guru wrote:Halftime talk.....I really want Nick Claxton with Lavine-Giddey-Ball....who are my other bouncy C's who can block some shots?

Robert Williams?
Mitchell Robinson?

Those question marks are there for a reason....but get me a bouncy 5.

Robert Williams and Mitchell Robinsone are never healthy

EDIT: If we are lucky we can just draft one. Portland, Memphis and NOLA all drafted a starting C this year and Dallas got one the year before.


Just get me someone we can lob to


Gafford.. Dallas is looking for perimeter D, cough cough PWill
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Re: Bulls @ Clippers 9:30pm CT Jan. 20 2025 

Post#102 » by WesPeace » Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:16 pm

Stratmaster wrote:Why can't this team win at home?

As long as Coby and Williams are getting starter minutes, and Donovan is head coach, the Bulls will never make progress.


If we really wanna compete, Craig when healthy should be starting PF, Matas aint ready yet. PWill to bench for SF backup role and Coby to bench as SG backup.
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Re: Bulls @ Clippers 9:30pm CT Jan. 20 2025 

Post#103 » by DASMACKDOWN » Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:18 pm

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Mk0 wrote:I just don't get it


Its Billy!! everyone else is playing checkers and hes playing Candy Crush


What's even more frustrating is that they wouldn't even be "developmental" minutes. Buzelis is the only positive PF (+0.2), Phillips is a -1.0, Terry is a -3, Craig is a -3, Patrick is -5.6. He's also shooting the 3 (33%) at mostly the same rate at those guys. Even Patrick is only 3% ahead, which is nothing given Pat's low volume.


The thing that should be the most worrysome for Bulls fans, is Billy will also do this to our next rookie. Whomever it is.

Even if we got Cooper Flagg, does anyone think he will avoid the Billy treatment? He would say, he needs to get stronger, learn the defense etc. Meanwhile he will pigeonhole him behind PWill, Matas and JP and say its hard to find minutes for him. :banghead:
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Re: Bulls @ Clippers 9:30pm CT Jan. 20 2025 

Post#104 » by MrSparkle » Tue Jan 21, 2025 7:04 pm

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Its Billy!! everyone else is playing checkers and hes playing Candy Crush


What's even more frustrating is that they wouldn't even be "developmental" minutes. Buzelis is the only positive PF (+0.2), Phillips is a -1.0, Terry is a -3, Craig is a -3, Patrick is -5.6. He's also shooting the 3 (33%) at mostly the same rate at those guys. Even Patrick is only 3% ahead, which is nothing given Pat's low volume.


The thing that should be the most worrysome for Bulls fans, is Billy will also do this to our next rookie. Whomever it is.

Even if we got Cooper Flagg, does anyone think he will avoid the Billy treatment? He would say, he needs to get stronger, learn the defense etc. Meanwhile he will pigeonhole him behind PWill, Matas and JP and say its hard to find minutes for him. :banghead:


I believe Flag will be too solid to bench. The guy was schooling Matas in that 1-on-1 vid, and he's a year younger... But already bigger and clearly more polished.

In many ways, I don't disagree with tough love / short leash treatment for a rookie. It's just weird cause the guy(s) ahead of him have been a disaster, and we're sub-500. In the grand scheme, as frustrating as it is ... Billy's coaching isn't going to ruin a player's development or change our course of team trajectory. A good player with NBA resources should become a good player.

But game to game, it is very frustrating to watch, especially with the management's hand in this as we are stuck in a total dead-end if we don't either win more games (cough, miraculously play much better) or lose way more games and guarantee Spurs don't get that pick (and more importantly, put ourselves in position for more talented prospects). And on the margins, I do think the lack of defined roles (this obsession with "positionless" lineups) has made Dalen, Matas, even Coby, Pat and Ayo perform worse than they should. Cool - when energies mount up and we're short at the front court, play your best little guys together. But why do we keep coming out of training camp with guards playing in the front-court, and most the SF/PF/C backups getting totally iced?

You can instantly get a top-15 defense in this tank-crazy league by just playing Lonzo/Ayo-Terry-Phillips-Matas-Vuc. Yeah, with horrible Vuc at C. Or even Zach. But why would you play Coby, Giddey, Zach and Vuc together for long periods of time? Compounded by a sleepwalking out of shape Patrick? How many reps are you getting for them? In theory, there's 3P spacing there for a good offense. But it hasn't happened. Giddey, Pat and Coby clank a lot of looks, and the latter 2 make some bone-headed offensive plays. A 16th offensive rating isn't good enough for a bottom tier defense.
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Re: Bulls @ Clippers 9:30pm CT Jan. 20 2025 

Post#105 » by 2weekswithpay » Tue Jan 21, 2025 7:39 pm

DASMACKDOWN wrote:
kodo wrote:
chitownsports4ever wrote:
Its Billy!! everyone else is playing checkers and hes playing Candy Crush


What's even more frustrating is that they wouldn't even be "developmental" minutes. Buzelis is the only positive PF (+0.2), Phillips is a -1.0, Terry is a -3, Craig is a -3, Patrick is -5.6. He's also shooting the 3 (33%) at mostly the same rate at those guys. Even Patrick is only 3% ahead, which is nothing given Pat's low volume.


The thing that should be the most worrysome for Bulls fans, is Billy will also do this to our next rookie. Whomever it is.

Even if we got Cooper Flagg, does anyone think he will avoid the Billy treatment? He would say, he needs to get stronger, learn the defense etc. Meanwhile he will pigeonhole him behind PWill, Matas and JP and say its hard to find minutes for him. :banghead:


If we exclude injured players, Anthony Bennett would be the only 1st overall pick in the last 20 seasons to play under 20MPG. Even Risacher is playing 23-24MPG.

Pat was playing 28MPG as a rookie. If we got Flagg, he's going to play.
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Re: Bulls @ Clippers 9:30pm CT Jan. 20 2025 

Post#106 » by dougthonus » Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:49 pm

DASMACKDOWN wrote:The thing that should be the most worrysome for Bulls fans, is Billy will also do this to our next rookie. Whomever it is.

Even if we got Cooper Flagg, does anyone think he will avoid the Billy treatment? He would say, he needs to get stronger, learn the defense etc. Meanwhile he will pigeonhole him behind PWill, Matas and JP and say its hard to find minutes for him. :banghead:


Billy played the hell out of Pat and Ayo as rookies.

The other rookies:
Philips / Terry - May not be rotation players on their next deals if they get them at all
Marko - Washed out of the league already
Matas - Interesting upside perhaps, but is out of the league bad on offense and plays like the rookie he is on defense

Pat and Ayo were 'meh' as rookies and got a crap ton of minutes, the only other rookie you'd even maybe argue deserves more time is Matas and not because he deserves it but because you might want to give him entitlement minutes to develop him and enhance our odds of keeping our pick at the same time.

This concern seems completely unwarranted and not based on anything.
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Re: Bulls @ Clippers 9:30pm CT Jan. 20 2025 

Post#107 » by Indomitable » Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:25 pm

dougthonus wrote:
DASMACKDOWN wrote:The thing that should be the most worrysome for Bulls fans, is Billy will also do this to our next rookie. Whomever it is.

Even if we got Cooper Flagg, does anyone think he will avoid the Billy treatment? He would say, he needs to get stronger, learn the defense etc. Meanwhile he will pigeonhole him behind PWill, Matas and JP and say its hard to find minutes for him. :banghead:


Billy played the hell out of Pat and Ayo as rookies.

The other rookies:
Philips / Terry - May not be rotation players on their next deals if they get them at all
Marko - Washed out of the league already
Matas - Interesting upside perhaps, but is out of the league bad on offense and plays like the rookie he is on defense

Pat and Ayo were 'meh' as rookies and got a crap ton of minutes, the only other rookie you'd even maybe argue deserves more time is Matas and not because he deserves it but because you might want to give him entitlement minutes to develop him and enhance our odds of keeping our pick at the same time.

This concern seems completely unwarranted and not based on anything.

Phillips will be on the league. He has a decent shot and athleticism.
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Re: Bulls @ Clippers 9:30pm CT Jan. 20 2025 

Post#108 » by dougthonus » Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:06 am

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Phillips will be on the league. He has a decent shot and athleticism.


He's shooting 31.5% from 3, has no meaningful offensive talents and is okay defensively. That isn't a recipe to be a rotation player without significant improvement and certainly isn't warranting of lots of rookie minutes.
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Re: Bulls @ Clippers 9:30pm CT Jan. 20 2025 

Post#109 » by Andi Obst » Wed Jan 22, 2025 4:06 pm

MrSparkle wrote:I believe Flag will be too solid to bench. The guy was schooling Matas in that 1-on-1 vid, and he's a year younger... But already bigger and clearly more polished..


Flagg is actually a little more than 2 full years younger than Matas. He was born in December 2006(!).

Makes his dominance in college even more impressive.

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