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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#861 » by Brinbe » Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:14 am

He clearly has the size/physical traits to be an impactful defensive player as there's probably not that many humans alive that have his agility for his height and he's already showing a bit of that potential impact at the g-league level but he's as green/raw as it gets in terms of proper court awareness and bball iq, which isn't surprising considering his age/overall level of experience prior to getting drafted. It's obvious watching him play. They're pretty much molding him from scratch in that respect so people just need to be patient with him as he improves that side of his game. The team fortunately have that luxury and you'll probably see him get more looks next season. Maybe even later on this season if they clear out the vets in front of him on the depth chart.

But making any solid pronouncements on his future at this point doesn't seem to make any sense. All we can do is be supportive/hopeful that he's able to figure things out and carve out a career for himself.
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#862 » by Psubs » Tue Jan 21, 2025 2:26 pm

Brinbe wrote:He clearly has the size/physical traits to be an impactful defensive player as there's probably not that many humans alive that have his agility for his height and he's already showing a bit of that potential impact at the g-league level but he's as green/raw as it gets in terms of proper court awareness and bball iq, which isn't surprising considering his age/overall level of experience prior to getting drafted. It's obvious watching him play. They're pretty much molding him from scratch in that respect so people just need to be patient with him as he improves that side of his game. The team fortunately have that luxury and you'll probably see him get more looks next season. Maybe even later on this season if they clear out the vets in front of him on the depth chart.

But making any solid pronouncements on his future at this point doesn't seem to make any sense. All we can do is be supportive/hopeful that he's able to figure things out and carve out a career for himself.


Next year, he will be sophomore age and I don't expect him to crack the rotation yet. Maybe the following season, he contributes like Koloko (3 years at Arizona) did.
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#863 » by ATLTimekeeper » Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:28 pm

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YogurtProducer wrote:Okay? It isn’t like just cause he’s from Africa he has some magical growth in him.

Yall just need to accept Chomche probably isn’t ever a nba player. If he even gives us a few years of bench play that’s a huge win.


Hartenstein wasn't so raw that he was being spoonfed the game to him.

per 36 he averaged 18/12/2BLKs and 5.8 PFs.

Chomche just turned 19 a few weeks ago. 11/13/5 and 4.9 PFs.


Hartenstein is averaging 4 assists a game.

My hopes are for a Kessler/Timelord/Capela kinda guy who gets blocks and has few touches on O type thing. 2.5x the number of blocks with less fouls and the same rebounds than Hartenstein at the same age is promising stuff. Kessler can't switch at all, either, and Chomche has the mobility to do so.

Timelord was still a hugely impactful player before he got hurt all the time. Like advanced stats had him better than very similar rim-runner/shot blocker types in Capela/Jarrett Allen/Mitchell Robinson. If we got a $20M centre like that with the 57th pick, that's a huge win. Saves us using a first on a center in 2026 or we do anyways, maybe a skilled 5 who can shoot, and we can move Poeltl, or just trade the first instead of using it on a "center of the future" in the RJ Barrett trade I dream of nightly, lots of options.

If he's Bismack 2.0, he's still a great pick, but that's a 3rd center really, or a backup center/4th big if your 3rd big can play 4 or 5, like if we can trade for or find a younger Olynyk or current Aldama/Mo Wagner type with the PDX 2nd (an Ivisic, Broome, Wolf, I'm probably missing another guy) and have Bismack 2.0 as backup options for a starting center (Poeltl for now) and Barnes at the 2 big spots, we'll have a good NBA frontcourt, though we'd likely have to use a 2027 or 2028 first on a Poeltl replacement (either trade or picking a center).


It's not really the point to compare them like for like. Just saying that Hartenstein wasn't dominating the Gleague when he was 19. He was fouling more than Chomche. Their backgrounds do matter when you're just thinking about what they look like when they first entered the NBA, Chomche was a farmer, Hartenstein the son of a pro basketball player who had played in several European club systems prior to being drafted. But we won't know if Chomche is even an NBA player until he starts to prove himself against NBA talent, much like Hartenstein was a long-shot to succeed as well (mid 2nd round pick, dumped by 3 teams before finding a home in the NBA).
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#864 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Jan 21, 2025 5:21 pm

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Hartenstein wasn't so raw that he was being spoonfed the game to him.

per 36 he averaged 18/12/2BLKs and 5.8 PFs.

Chomche just turned 19 a few weeks ago. 11/13/5 and 4.9 PFs.


Hartenstein is averaging 4 assists a game.

My hopes are for a Kessler/Timelord/Capela kinda guy who gets blocks and has few touches on O type thing. 2.5x the number of blocks with less fouls and the same rebounds than Hartenstein at the same age is promising stuff. Kessler can't switch at all, either, and Chomche has the mobility to do so.

Timelord was still a hugely impactful player before he got hurt all the time. Like advanced stats had him better than very similar rim-runner/shot blocker types in Capela/Jarrett Allen/Mitchell Robinson. If we got a $20M centre like that with the 57th pick, that's a huge win. Saves us using a first on a center in 2026 or we do anyways, maybe a skilled 5 who can shoot, and we can move Poeltl, or just trade the first instead of using it on a "center of the future" in the RJ Barrett trade I dream of nightly, lots of options.

If he's Bismack 2.0, he's still a great pick, but that's a 3rd center really, or a backup center/4th big if your 3rd big can play 4 or 5, like if we can trade for or find a younger Olynyk or current Aldama/Mo Wagner type with the PDX 2nd (an Ivisic, Broome, Wolf, I'm probably missing another guy) and have Bismack 2.0 as backup options for a starting center (Poeltl for now) and Barnes at the 2 big spots, we'll have a good NBA frontcourt, though we'd likely have to use a 2027 or 2028 first on a Poeltl replacement (either trade or picking a center).


It's not really the point to compare them like for like. Just saying that Hartenstein wasn't dominating the Gleague when he was 19. He was fouling more than Chomche. Their backgrounds do matter when you're just thinking about what they look like when they first entered the NBA, Chomche was a farmer, Hartenstein the son of a pro basketball player who had played in several European club systems prior to being drafted. But we won't know if Chomche is even an NBA player until he starts to prove himself against NBA talent, much like Hartenstein was a long-shot to succeed as well (mid 2nd round pick, dumped by 3 teams before finding a home in the NBA).

Hartenstein was a 18/13/2/1/2 with 2.7 TOs per 36 on a 63TS% in his first GLeague year 6
Chomche is a 11/13/2/0/5 with 3.7TOs per 36 on a 57TS% in his first GLeague year (and, these are inflated as it does not include the tip-off tournament in which he performed worse)

Lets not act like Chomche and Hartenstein were anywhere close at the same age. Not to mention that by year 2, Hartenstein was "all-league" in the G-League and the playoff MVP. Thats a massive leap Chomche has to take.

Sure, CHomche doesn't have a basketball background, but that also doesn't mean that he has more room to grow. Playing the game at a young age and growing up around the game means you likely have a more natural feel for the game. No amount of work as a 19-year old can replace the benefits playing the game growing up in your key developmental years has on players.

Hartenstein is an anomaly all on his own. You cant expect that kind of development, it is just incredibly rare (albeit, less so for our org.)
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#865 » by brownbobcat » Tue Jan 21, 2025 5:50 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:Hartenstein was a 18/13/2/1/2 with 2.7 TOs per 36 on a 63TS% in his first GLeague year 6
Chomche is a 11/13/2/0/5 with 3.7TOs per 36 on a 57TS% in his first GLeague year (and, these are inflated as it does not include the tip-off tournament in which he performed worse)

Lets not act like Chomche and Hartenstein were anywhere close at the same age. Not to mention that by year 2, Hartenstein was "all-league" in the G-League and the playoff MVP. Thats a massive leap Chomche has to take.

Sure, CHomche doesn't have a basketball background, but that also doesn't mean that he has more room to grow. Playing the game at a young age and growing up around the game means you likely have a more natural feel for the game. No amount of work as a 19-year old can replace the benefits playing the game growing up in your key developmental years has on players.

Hartenstein is an anomaly all on his own. You cant expect that kind of development, it is just incredibly rare (albeit, less so for our org.)

Development time is so important. As a big, you can probably always land somewhere in the NBA if you are ultra-athletic and hardworking, but it's very rare to develop offensive skills at a late age like Siakam.
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#866 » by earthtone » Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:24 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
Ell Curry wrote:
Hartenstein is averaging 4 assists a game.

My hopes are for a Kessler/Timelord/Capela kinda guy who gets blocks and has few touches on O type thing. 2.5x the number of blocks with less fouls and the same rebounds than Hartenstein at the same age is promising stuff. Kessler can't switch at all, either, and Chomche has the mobility to do so.

Timelord was still a hugely impactful player before he got hurt all the time. Like advanced stats had him better than very similar rim-runner/shot blocker types in Capela/Jarrett Allen/Mitchell Robinson. If we got a $20M centre like that with the 57th pick, that's a huge win. Saves us using a first on a center in 2026 or we do anyways, maybe a skilled 5 who can shoot, and we can move Poeltl, or just trade the first instead of using it on a "center of the future" in the RJ Barrett trade I dream of nightly, lots of options.

If he's Bismack 2.0, he's still a great pick, but that's a 3rd center really, or a backup center/4th big if your 3rd big can play 4 or 5, like if we can trade for or find a younger Olynyk or current Aldama/Mo Wagner type with the PDX 2nd (an Ivisic, Broome, Wolf, I'm probably missing another guy) and have Bismack 2.0 as backup options for a starting center (Poeltl for now) and Barnes at the 2 big spots, we'll have a good NBA frontcourt, though we'd likely have to use a 2027 or 2028 first on a Poeltl replacement (either trade or picking a center).


It's not really the point to compare them like for like. Just saying that Hartenstein wasn't dominating the Gleague when he was 19. He was fouling more than Chomche. Their backgrounds do matter when you're just thinking about what they look like when they first entered the NBA, Chomche was a farmer, Hartenstein the son of a pro basketball player who had played in several European club systems prior to being drafted. But we won't know if Chomche is even an NBA player until he starts to prove himself against NBA talent, much like Hartenstein was a long-shot to succeed as well (mid 2nd round pick, dumped by 3 teams before finding a home in the NBA).

Hartenstein was a 18/13/2/1/2 with 2.7 TOs per 36 on a 63TS% in his first GLeague year 6
Chomche is a 11/13/2/0/5 with 3.7TOs per 36 on a 57TS% in his first GLeague year (and, these are inflated as it does not include the tip-off tournament in which he performed worse)

Lets not act like Chomche and Hartenstein were anywhere close at the same age. Not to mention that by year 2, Hartenstein was "all-league" in the G-League and the playoff MVP. Thats a massive leap Chomche has to take.

Sure, CHomche doesn't have a basketball background, but that also doesn't mean that he has more room to grow. Playing the game at a young age and growing up around the game means you likely have a more natural feel for the game. No amount of work as a 19-year old can replace the benefits playing the game growing up in your key developmental years has on players.

Hartenstein is an anomaly all on his own. You cant expect that kind of development, it is just incredibly rare (albeit, less so for our org.)

I think you're putting too much stock into Chomche's draft position, and not enough into his profile and performance thus far.

If he decided to wait and turn draft eligible this year, he'd undoubtedly be a lottery pick with what he's shown in the G at his age. He still has a long way to go to become even a rotation calibre big, but the growth and skills he's already shown + our organization track record of developing players with non-traditional paths give us a lot of reasons to be optimistic.
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#867 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Jan 21, 2025 7:45 pm

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It's not really the point to compare them like for like. Just saying that Hartenstein wasn't dominating the Gleague when he was 19. He was fouling more than Chomche. Their backgrounds do matter when you're just thinking about what they look like when they first entered the NBA, Chomche was a farmer, Hartenstein the son of a pro basketball player who had played in several European club systems prior to being drafted. But we won't know if Chomche is even an NBA player until he starts to prove himself against NBA talent, much like Hartenstein was a long-shot to succeed as well (mid 2nd round pick, dumped by 3 teams before finding a home in the NBA).

Hartenstein was a 18/13/2/1/2 with 2.7 TOs per 36 on a 63TS% in his first GLeague year 6
Chomche is a 11/13/2/0/5 with 3.7TOs per 36 on a 57TS% in his first GLeague year (and, these are inflated as it does not include the tip-off tournament in which he performed worse)

Lets not act like Chomche and Hartenstein were anywhere close at the same age. Not to mention that by year 2, Hartenstein was "all-league" in the G-League and the playoff MVP. Thats a massive leap Chomche has to take.

Sure, CHomche doesn't have a basketball background, but that also doesn't mean that he has more room to grow. Playing the game at a young age and growing up around the game means you likely have a more natural feel for the game. No amount of work as a 19-year old can replace the benefits playing the game growing up in your key developmental years has on players.

Hartenstein is an anomaly all on his own. You cant expect that kind of development, it is just incredibly rare (albeit, less so for our org.)

I think you're putting too much stock into Chomche's draft position, and not enough into his profile and performance thus far.

If he decided to wait and turn draft eligible this year, he'd undoubtedly be a lottery pick with what he's shown in the G at his age. He still has a long way to go to become even a rotation calibre big, but the growth and skills he's already shown + our organization track record of developing players with non-traditional paths give us a lot of reasons to be optimistic.
Oh wow! We got a lottery pick now in Chomche? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#868 » by Zeno » Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:00 pm

He's listed as AVAILABLE on the injury report so I guess that means he will be in uniform for tonight's game. Hopefully he gives us some electric garbage time tonight.
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Post#869 » by ATLTimekeeper » Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:18 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
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Hartenstein is averaging 4 assists a game.

My hopes are for a Kessler/Timelord/Capela kinda guy who gets blocks and has few touches on O type thing. 2.5x the number of blocks with less fouls and the same rebounds than Hartenstein at the same age is promising stuff. Kessler can't switch at all, either, and Chomche has the mobility to do so.

Timelord was still a hugely impactful player before he got hurt all the time. Like advanced stats had him better than very similar rim-runner/shot blocker types in Capela/Jarrett Allen/Mitchell Robinson. If we got a $20M centre like that with the 57th pick, that's a huge win. Saves us using a first on a center in 2026 or we do anyways, maybe a skilled 5 who can shoot, and we can move Poeltl, or just trade the first instead of using it on a "center of the future" in the RJ Barrett trade I dream of nightly, lots of options.

If he's Bismack 2.0, he's still a great pick, but that's a 3rd center really, or a backup center/4th big if your 3rd big can play 4 or 5, like if we can trade for or find a younger Olynyk or current Aldama/Mo Wagner type with the PDX 2nd (an Ivisic, Broome, Wolf, I'm probably missing another guy) and have Bismack 2.0 as backup options for a starting center (Poeltl for now) and Barnes at the 2 big spots, we'll have a good NBA frontcourt, though we'd likely have to use a 2027 or 2028 first on a Poeltl replacement (either trade or picking a center).


It's not really the point to compare them like for like. Just saying that Hartenstein wasn't dominating the Gleague when he was 19. He was fouling more than Chomche. Their backgrounds do matter when you're just thinking about what they look like when they first entered the NBA, Chomche was a farmer, Hartenstein the son of a pro basketball player who had played in several European club systems prior to being drafted. But we won't know if Chomche is even an NBA player until he starts to prove himself against NBA talent, much like Hartenstein was a long-shot to succeed as well (mid 2nd round pick, dumped by 3 teams before finding a home in the NBA).

Hartenstein was a 18/13/2/1/2 with 2.7 TOs per 36 on a 63TS% in his first GLeague year 6
Chomche is a 11/13/2/0/5 with 3.7TOs per 36 on a 57TS% in his first GLeague year (and, these are inflated as it does not include the tip-off tournament in which he performed worse)

Lets not act like Chomche and Hartenstein were anywhere close at the same age. Not to mention that by year 2, Hartenstein was "all-league" in the G-League and the playoff MVP. Thats a massive leap Chomche has to take.

Sure, CHomche doesn't have a basketball background, but that also doesn't mean that he has more room to grow. Playing the game at a young age and growing up around the game means you likely have a more natural feel for the game. No amount of work as a 19-year old can replace the benefits playing the game growing up in your key developmental years has on players.

Hartenstein is an anomaly all on his own. You cant expect that kind of development, it is just incredibly rare (albeit, less so for our org.)


I don't compare Hartenstein to Chomche, they're different sizes and different calibre of athlete. They both played under 20 minutes at 19 because they fouled too much.

As for the growing up around the game part, it's irrelevant. Maybe he does learn the game quickly, and maybe he doesn't. We know Hartenstein grew up around the game and still wasn't a legit NBA player until he was 23. We know Chomche has improved a lot from the beginning of the season until now, and he's doing things that most teenagers haven't done in the Gleague. These block numbers right now are silly and unprecedented. It should matter how quickly a player shows progress or competence and especially if they're newer to the sport.
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Post#870 » by earthtone » Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:47 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
earthtone wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Hartenstein was a 18/13/2/1/2 with 2.7 TOs per 36 on a 63TS% in his first GLeague year 6
Chomche is a 11/13/2/0/5 with 3.7TOs per 36 on a 57TS% in his first GLeague year (and, these are inflated as it does not include the tip-off tournament in which he performed worse)

Lets not act like Chomche and Hartenstein were anywhere close at the same age. Not to mention that by year 2, Hartenstein was "all-league" in the G-League and the playoff MVP. Thats a massive leap Chomche has to take.

Sure, CHomche doesn't have a basketball background, but that also doesn't mean that he has more room to grow. Playing the game at a young age and growing up around the game means you likely have a more natural feel for the game. No amount of work as a 19-year old can replace the benefits playing the game growing up in your key developmental years has on players.

Hartenstein is an anomaly all on his own. You cant expect that kind of development, it is just incredibly rare (albeit, less so for our org.)

I think you're putting too much stock into Chomche's draft position, and not enough into his profile and performance thus far.

If he decided to wait and turn draft eligible this year, he'd undoubtedly be a lottery pick with what he's shown in the G at his age. He still has a long way to go to become even a rotation calibre big, but the growth and skills he's already shown + our organization track record of developing players with non-traditional paths give us a lot of reasons to be optimistic.
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Again, I'm not sure what about Chomche makes it unreasonable to think he'd be a lottery pick in this upcoming draft.

He'll be 19 years old on draft day, 6'11" with a 7'4" wingspan with extremely fluidity and mobility for his size and great shot blocking instincts. Averaging 8/9/1 with 3.3 blocks and a 6.5 Net Rating in a professional league as a very raw player.

Guys like Noa Essengue, JT Toppin, Ben Saraf, Nolan Traore, etc are all mocked between 10-14 on different sites, and I think it's definitely reasonable to have a guy like Chomche ranked right in that tier, if not slightly ahead. Even compared to the freshmen Centre standouts Thomas Sorber and Derik Queen (who Chomche is a full year younger than), there's a massive skill gap currently, but I'd bet there are teams out there that would have Chomche right alongside side those two in terms of future projections.
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Post#871 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:16 pm

earthtone wrote:
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earthtone wrote:I think you're putting too much stock into Chomche's draft position, and not enough into his profile and performance thus far.

If he decided to wait and turn draft eligible this year, he'd undoubtedly be a lottery pick with what he's shown in the G at his age. He still has a long way to go to become even a rotation calibre big, but the growth and skills he's already shown + our organization track record of developing players with non-traditional paths give us a lot of reasons to be optimistic.
Oh wow! We got a lottery pick now in Chomche? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Again, I'm not sure what about Chomche makes it unreasonable to think he'd be a lottery pick in this upcoming draft.

He'll be 19 years old on draft day, 6'11" with a 7'4" wingspan with extremely fluidity and mobility for his size and great shot blocking instincts. Averaging 8/9/1 with 3.3 blocks and a 6.5 Net Rating in a professional league as a very raw player.

Guys like Noa Essengue, JT Toppin, Ben Saraf, Nolan Traore, etc are all mocked between 10-14 on different sites, and I think it's definitely reasonable to have a guy like Chomche ranked right in that tier, if not slightly ahead. Even compared to the freshmen Centre standouts Thomas Sorber and Derik Queen (who Chomche is a full year younger than), there's a massive skill gap currently, but I'd bet there are teams out there that would have Chomche right alongside side those two in terms of future projections.

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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#872 » by earthtone » Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:16 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
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YogurtProducer wrote:Oh wow! We got a lottery pick now in Chomche? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Again, I'm not sure what about Chomche makes it unreasonable to think he'd be a lottery pick in this upcoming draft.

He'll be 19 years old on draft day, 6'11" with a 7'4" wingspan with extremely fluidity and mobility for his size and great shot blocking instincts. Averaging 8/9/1 with 3.3 blocks and a 6.5 Net Rating in a professional league as a very raw player.

Guys like Noa Essengue, JT Toppin, Ben Saraf, Nolan Traore, etc are all mocked between 10-14 on different sites, and I think it's definitely reasonable to have a guy like Chomche ranked right in that tier, if not slightly ahead. Even compared to the freshmen Centre standouts Thomas Sorber and Derik Queen (who Chomche is a full year younger than), there's a massive skill gap currently, but I'd bet there are teams out there that would have Chomche right alongside side those two in terms of future projections.

Take this take to the general board. I dare you :lol:

Do you have any reasons to suggest he wouldn't be in lottery consideration this year?
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Post#873 » by Psubs » Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:28 pm

earthtone wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
earthtone wrote:Again, I'm not sure what about Chomche makes it unreasonable to think he'd be a lottery pick in this upcoming draft.

He'll be 19 years old on draft day, 6'11" with a 7'4" wingspan with extremely fluidity and mobility for his size and great shot blocking instincts. Averaging 8/9/1 with 3.3 blocks and a 6.5 Net Rating in a professional league as a very raw player.

Guys like Noa Essengue, JT Toppin, Ben Saraf, Nolan Traore, etc are all mocked between 10-14 on different sites, and I think it's definitely reasonable to have a guy like Chomche ranked right in that tier, if not slightly ahead. Even compared to the freshmen Centre standouts Thomas Sorber and Derik Queen (who Chomche is a full year younger than), there's a massive skill gap currently, but I'd bet there are teams out there that would have Chomche right alongside side those two in terms of future projections.

Take this take to the general board. I dare you :lol:

Do you have any reasons to suggest he wouldn't be in lottery consideration this year?


I would say he's similar prospect to Zvonimir Ivisic but mock's seem to not like him like Calipari. :-?

I think he'd work his way into early 2nd round consideration this year had he played college.
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#874 » by MEDIC » Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:25 am

Psubs wrote:
earthtone wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Take this take to the general board. I dare you :lol:

Do you have any reasons to suggest he wouldn't be in lottery consideration this year?


I would say he's similar prospect to Zvonimir Ivisic but mock's seem to not like him like Calipari. :-?

I think he'd work his way into early 2nd round consideration this year had he played college.


Personally, I think if he was a GLeague prospect this season & entering the draft in 2025, he would probably be a 1st rounder. (based on age/ athleticism/ GLeague performance).
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#875 » by YogurtProducer » Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:42 am

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earthtone wrote:Again, I'm not sure what about Chomche makes it unreasonable to think he'd be a lottery pick in this upcoming draft.

He'll be 19 years old on draft day, 6'11" with a 7'4" wingspan with extremely fluidity and mobility for his size and great shot blocking instincts. Averaging 8/9/1 with 3.3 blocks and a 6.5 Net Rating in a professional league as a very raw player.

Guys like Noa Essengue, JT Toppin, Ben Saraf, Nolan Traore, etc are all mocked between 10-14 on different sites, and I think it's definitely reasonable to have a guy like Chomche ranked right in that tier, if not slightly ahead. Even compared to the freshmen Centre standouts Thomas Sorber and Derik Queen (who Chomche is a full year younger than), there's a massive skill gap currently, but I'd bet there are teams out there that would have Chomche right alongside side those two in terms of future projections.

Take this take to the general board. I dare you :lol:

Do you have any reasons to suggest he wouldn't be in lottery consideration this year?

Because he’s been no more impressive than any of the G-League ignite guys, some of which went second round and some undrafted

Lottery pick is insane man.
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#876 » by earthtone » Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:22 am

YogurtProducer wrote::noway:
earthtone wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Take this take to the general board. I dare you :lol:

Do you have any reasons to suggest he wouldn't be in lottery consideration this year?

Because he’s been no more impressive than any of the G-League ignite guys, some of which went second round and some undrafted

Lottery pick is insane man.

The only non-lottery pick Ignite player I'd say was more impressive/as impressive as Chomche was Tyler Smith, and he had way more positional and defensive questions than Chomche does.

It's not exactly a muderer's row of prospects, but look at what Patrick Williams did pre-draft, what Pokusevki did pre-draft, what Jackson Hayes did pre-draft, Kai Jones, Bitadze, Samanic, etc. All had similarly short track records of productivity and were drafted Top 20 based on projections and athletic ability.

As implied by the comps, I'm not saying he's even guaranteed to become a rotation player as a lot of lottery picks don't, but as a prospect see no reason he wouldn't be Top 20 of most draft boards and possibly significantly higher in some organizations. Guys his age with his athletic tools don't come around often, and are often highly drafted.
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#877 » by F22_Raptor » Wed Jan 22, 2025 3:24 am

Dropped a beauty dime to AJ vs Magic... after bringing up the ball... after vacuuming a rebound...in garbage time. Still impressed with his progression.
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#878 » by mihaic » Wed Jan 22, 2025 3:40 am

Zeno wrote:He's listed as AVAILABLE on the injury report so I guess that means he will be in uniform for tonight's game. Hopefully he gives us some electric garbage time tonight.

He did! A couple nice passes too.
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#879 » by dagger » Wed Jan 22, 2025 3:59 am

He has shown both good and raw, he has the ability to develop a bit of a face-up game, but he has zero post aptitude - he needs to work a couple of summers on his footwork. He has shown good passing chops on a regular basis, but needs a bit more upper body strength to really grip some tough rebound with lots of hands reaching for the ball. His shot-blocking, of course, is really good. I think he has a rising floor, just no idea yet of his ceiling.
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Re: With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche 

Post#880 » by Psubs » Wed Jan 22, 2025 4:15 am

mihaic wrote:
Zeno wrote:He's listed as AVAILABLE on the injury report so I guess that means he will be in uniform for tonight's game. Hopefully he gives us some electric garbage time tonight.

He did! A couple nice passes too.


Ya, if Temple could hit a layup, Chomche would've had 1 pt, 2 rebs and 2 asts (0 to's) in 1.5 mins. :nod:
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