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Re: Suns/Heat/Bucks/4th team 

Post#41 » by vxmike » Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:10 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
vxmike wrote:
JayMKE wrote:Suns don’t have enough assets to dump Beal on the Bucks

Bucks would just take Jimmy who is a much better player, not literally untradable replacement level player


Suns would need to include 31 FRP, Dunn, and flip Allen/Jones for more assets to send to MKE.


Then please take Jimmy because what you're asking to take Beal is an absurd overpay that won't happen. Suns look elsewhere or just keep Beal coming off the bench and roll forward. But moving Beal is not such a critical issue that we'd give up that much to move him.


Beal’s contract is so bad it will take substantial assets just to dump the contract let alone acquire a star player in return. He’s just not moveable.
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Re: Suns/Heat/Bucks/4th team 

Post#42 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:38 pm

vxmike wrote:
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Suns would need to include 31 FRP, Dunn, and flip Allen/Jones for more assets to send to MKE.


Then please take Jimmy because what you're asking to take Beal is an absurd overpay that won't happen. Suns look elsewhere or just keep Beal coming off the bench and roll forward. But moving Beal is not such a critical issue that we'd give up that much to move him.


Beal’s contract is so bad it will take substantial assets just to dump the contract let alone acquire a star player in return. He’s just not moveable.


I agree with you that his contract is likely the very worst in the NBA, and I for my part hated the trade at the time and railed against it for multiple reasons, his contract salary, injury history, and above all the NTC.

But weighing our current situation, lack of any discernible future, and the measure of what some would expect us to give up just to undo that idiotic mistake made by our delusionally impulsive owner, the surrendered value is just too much to give up under our current conditions.

I don't blame anyone at all for trying to squeeze maximum value out of Beal's terrible contract/ salary conditions. Because our terribly inept front office has created a percieved vision of us being ripe for getting taken advantage of by virtually everyone. BUT that kind of decision would only further compound such egregious negligence by our front office. And would set us even back further in our inevitable rebuild exponentially.

We'd be much better served just keeping Beal where he is and waiting for him to become so uncomfortable in that role that he'd waive his NTC as some other aging teams become significantly more desperate to try and remain competitive and then trade him elsewhere for a more favorable outcome.


OR see if Beal just learns to accept and embrace the super 6th man role because it's more beneficial for him, the salary cost isn't going to affect us any differently anyways so he'll still get vastly overpaid either starting or coming off the bench, and he can just stay here as a potential nuclear microwave scoring option for us and play out his contract.

But giving up what very little future we have left if any really just to make a move that obviously wouldn't really change our trajectory even enough to validate the outgoing value is very unnecessary at this point because our fate or outcome remains the same after this trade with only other teams benefiting at our expense.


And that has to stop at some point. To me and many others, Butler just isn't worth the value exchange for us given his age, the money he'll be seeking and the only slightly measurable impact he'd have on our very flawed roster. And if his value was really anywhere close to what's being expected from us in this premise, he'd already have been traded or the deal to us would've already been done by now :D
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Re: Suns/Heat/Bucks/4th team 

Post#43 » by Laimbeer » Tue Jan 21, 2025 7:14 pm

slos wrote:The Milwaukee part need to be…

Bucks in Beal, Dunn, PHO 2031 FRP
Bucks out Middleton, Portis, Connaughton, Beauchamp, Wright


… to be legal and consider it. And still Milwaukee tries to cut out the Suns and get Butler themselves.


You think the Bucks would consider that deal?
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Re: Suns/Heat/Bucks/4th team 

Post#44 » by JMAC3 » Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:41 pm

Crives wrote:I expect core of butler trade looks something like this

Suns trade: Beal
Suns receive: Butler

Heat trade: Butler
Heat receive: Middleton + Portis

Bucks trade: Middleton + Portis + Pat
Bucks receive Beal

4th team(Detroit?)
Receive Pat + 2nds

Can argue what draft capital gets included and where it goes

Phx gets their guy. Heat get new starting wing and 6th man big with Ware entering starting lineup. Bucks get an upgrade over Middleton


Feels like this is the deal.
Bucks get swap rights on Suns pick that goes to Miami.

So Miami sends out Butler for Middleton, Portis and worst of Bucks/Suns 2031 first.
Bucks get best of Bucks/Suns 2031 first and Beal.
Suns get Jimmy.
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Re: Suns/Heat/Bucks/4th team 

Post#45 » by Crives » Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:40 am

JMAC3 wrote:
Crives wrote:I expect core of butler trade looks something like this

Suns trade: Beal
Suns receive: Butler

Heat trade: Butler
Heat receive: Middleton + Portis

Bucks trade: Middleton + Portis + Pat
Bucks receive Beal

4th team(Detroit?)
Receive Pat + 2nds

Can argue what draft capital gets included and where it goes

Phx gets their guy. Heat get new starting wing and 6th man big with Ware entering starting lineup. Bucks get an upgrade over Middleton


Feels like this is the deal.
Bucks get swap rights on Suns pick that goes to Miami.

So Miami sends out Butler for Middleton, Portis and worst of Bucks/Suns 2031 first.
Bucks get best of Bucks/Suns 2031 first and Beal.
Suns get Jimmy.


Yes…. This is what I expected, suns break up 2031 1st into multiple picks.. heat get a 1st. Bucks get a 1st. And suns have a 1st for Nurk trade left
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Re: Suns/Heat/Bucks/4th team 

Post#46 » by mlloyd10 » Wed Jan 22, 2025 3:14 am

Hell no..Bucks need all of those 1st to take on Beal...Evan than, all those picks will be 25 or later
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Re: Suns/Heat/Bucks/4th team 

Post#47 » by mlloyd10 » Wed Jan 22, 2025 3:20 am

The only way this can work $$$ wise and 2nd apron wise

Bucks get: Beal/Love/Burks/2027 1st/2029 1st
Heat Get: Middleton/Brown/
Raptors get: Portis/Pat C/Wright/2025 1st
Suns get: Butler/Beauchamp
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Re: Suns/Heat/Bucks/4th team 

Post#48 » by BBallFreak » Wed Jan 22, 2025 3:46 am

mlloyd10 wrote:The only way this can work $$$ wise and 2nd apron wise

Bucks get: Beal/Love/Burks/2027 1st/2029 1st
Heat Get: Middleton/Brown/
Raptors get: Portis/Pat C/Wright/2025 1st
Suns get: Butler/Beauchamp

There is no way Miami isn't getting at least one of those firsts...
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Re: Suns/Heat/Bucks/4th team 

Post#49 » by JayMKE » Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:06 pm

Bucks are in no way interested in getting Bradley Beal dumped on them, wishful thinking from Phoenix and Miami. No enough compensation to make it possible.
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