2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0

[Thaddy]

Getting rid of IQ this early is a stupid suggestion, full stop

Why? If the offer is there I don't see a reason to not at least have the conversation. IQ projects to be what, the 16th best PG in the league? Maybe he reaches FVV level of 1 time replacement all-star. That's not an "untouchable" level player. I would not do it for the price(s) suggested in this thread but he's nowhere close to the level of player that is untouchable.

No one on this team should be untouchable for the right price. We could also find ourselves in place where we draft another PG this off-season. This team has too many question marks to rule out moving anyone (except maybe Barnes).

We need to drive his value higher before trading him. The same goes for Gradey or another young player we have. Barrett's value should theoretically be higher than when we traded for him. He should be a prime candidate to be traded and it would likely get us a distant 1st rounder.

After the age of 24 the chances of a first time all star occurence is lower than any top 5 pick odd. It's a terrible gamble for a front office to make.

The front office should be putting Poeltl and Barrett out on the market to see what they are valued at. If we can trade both for cap relief or 2 year expiring along with multiple picks we should be pulling that deal off. I would be open to taking distant picks, teams who have hoarded picks will want to move them down the future.

[ash_k]

okay, we hear "BUYOUT"

TO BULLS (then buy him out while saving ~40M worth of guaranteed contract by moving PWill)
Br Brown (then can walk free to NYK)

TO RAPS
C. Duarte
P.Williams

[CazOnReal]

Getting rid of IQ this early is a stupid suggestion, full stop

Why?

Because historically speaking, trading your players when their value is at their lowest (In this case Quickley simply hasn't played enough games due to injury) is a stupid idea.

I should not have to explain this.

okay, we hear "BUYOUT"

TO BULLS (then buy him out while saving ~40M worth of guaranteed contract by moving PWill)
Br Brown (then can walk free to NYK)

TO RAPS
C. Duarte
P.Williams

This isn't happening without a pick coming Toronto's way. Williams' contract is atrocious.

[CazOnReal]

Well...




Let's see if either of these are close.

[Psubs]

Well...




Let's see if either of these are close.

Flip Portis to LAC. Miami should send out a 2nd pick or 2.


Miami gets: Kris Middleton, Pat Connaughton, 2027 1st pick (via Utah) and 2029 1st pick (via Utah)

Phoenix gets: Jimmy Butler

Milwaukee gets: Bradley Beal and 2025 1st pick (OKC via LAC)

Raptors get: PJ Tucker (waive), cash and 2025 1st pick (via Utah)

LAC get: Bobby Portis

Utah gets: 2031 1st pick

[Tripod]

Hope we get a trade soon just to have something fresh to talk about

[Psubs]

Hope we get a trade soon just to have something fresh to talk about

Once Jimmy Butler gets traded, others should trickle down.

[Tripod]

Hope we get a trade soon just to have something fresh to talk about

Once Jimmy Butler gets traded, others should trickle down.

Yup. Some teams will look to "respond" hopefully.

I will say if the Heat manage to get any youth out of the Butler deal they will have transitioned into a team with young vets(Herro and Bam) and good looking youth with Jaquez, Ware, Jovic, and Larsson. Plus have like 5 vets to move to bring more youth/futures.

[ArthurVandelay]

Hope we get a trade soon just to have something fresh to complain about

FTFY

[gerrit4]

I saw this trade over on Fanspo, and thought it was interesting:

Bruce Brown (and a 2nd) to Timberwolves, Hardaway Jr to Raptors (expiring) and our own 2025 2nd round pick (currently #33), and Randle to the Pistons.

We'd get a nice 2nd back (only a few picks lower than the Cavs pick that is rumoured to be included in the Butler trade, and less guaranteed salary), and keep our books clean.

I'd imagine we could make something similar work with a combination of Kelly, Davion, Boucher, as well if Brown is moved in a different trade. Timberwolves get cap flexibility, we get a pick, Pistons get the best player in the deal.

Just food for thought - that 2nd round pick might be more valuable than the first round pick up for grabs.

[ontnut]

Am I one of the few people who want absolutely nothing to do with Patrick Williams? He's shown very little in 5 years, is below avg on both offense and defense, and sucks up $18mil for the next 4 years after this one. He's also averaged like 53 games in his first 4 years - so pretty injury prone overall. To take on $72m of what I deem to be dead salary, I'm gonna need more than one 1st round pick.

[ArthurVandelay]

Am I one of the few people who want absolutely nothing to do with Patrick Williams? He's shown very little in 5 years, is below avg on both offense and defense, and sucks up $18mil for the next 4 years after this one. He's also averaged like 53 games in his first 4 years - so pretty injury prone overall. To take on $72m of what I deem to be dead salary, I'm gonna need more than one 1st round pick.

Preach

I’m with you

[ontnut]

Trade 1:
Boucher + Davion to Suns for Nurkic and a 2026 2nd round via DEN, or maybe that late 2027 pick they just acquired (prob not).
Suns reroute one or both of Boucher Davion to a 3rd team's TE/cap space to get out from the 2nd apron.

Trade 2:
Butler to the Suns
Beal and Brown to the Heat
Rozier, PHX 2031 (own), PHX 2031 2nd round (via DEN,) to the Raptors (for taking on Rozier's next year $25m expiring). Maybe PHX prefers to send one of their newly acquired low 1sts (prob the 2027 one) instead of their own 2nds. Fine. Beal would prob waive his NTC to go to MIA. The salaries SHOULD work once PHX gets out from the 2nd apron.

We give up Boucher, Davion and Brown to take on Nurkic and Rozier for 1 more year, getting paid 2026 DEN 2nd rounder, 2031 PHX 2nd, and 2031 DEN 2nd. Nurk and Rozier can be moved next year as expirings.

Just trying to find a way to insert ourselves into the rumoured PHX/MIA star swap. They need someone to help facilitate.

[Thaddy]

I would re-sign Boucher and Brown if they don't get good value back. Brown isn't an old player, he's in his prime and with a 10-15M a year deal he would be more tradable. I would probably push for a team option as well. A bunch of 2nd round picks isn't going to change our franchises trajectory, and we aren't signing any good free agents, these are the best we would likely get.

[gerrit4]

Trade 1:
Boucher + Davion to Suns for Nurkic and a 2026 2nd round via DEN, or maybe that late 2027 pick they just acquired (prob not).
Suns reroute one or both of Boucher Davion to a 3rd team's TE/cap space to get out from the 2nd apron.

Trade 2:
Butler to the Suns
Beal and Brown to the Heat
Rozier, PHX 2031 (own), PHX 2031 2nd round (via DEN,) to the Raptors (for taking on Rozier's next year $25m expiring). Maybe PHX prefers to send one of their newly acquired low 1sts (prob the 2027 one) instead of their own 2nds. Fine. Beal would prob waive his NTC to go to MIA. The salaries SHOULD work once PHX gets out from the 2nd apron.

We give up Boucher, Davion and Brown to take on Nurkic and Rozier for 1 more year, getting paid 2026 DEN 2nd rounder, 2031 PHX 2nd, and 2031 DEN 2nd. Nurk and Rozier can be moved next year as expirings.

Just trying to find a way to insert ourselves into the rumoured PHX/MIA star swap. They need someone to help facilitate.

I get where you're coming from, but that would be taking on $40 Mill in salary next year for a few future seconds, for two positions we already have full in our rotation. With potentially a top 5 pick, as well as Scottie's extension kicking in, that would put us into the tax next season with a crappy team, and only a few future 2nd round picks to show for it. My guess is that our front office would rather just have the cap flexibility of our own expiring contracts over a few 2nds. We managed to get 3 second round picks this past summer without really giving up anything.

Now if we were also trading away Jakob in a separate move, I could see us wanting Nurkic as a stopgap starting 5.

[Spida888]

Trade 1:
Boucher + Davion to Suns for Nurkic and a 2026 2nd round via DEN, or maybe that late 2027 pick they just acquired (prob not).
Suns reroute one or both of Boucher Davion to a 3rd team's TE/cap space to get out from the 2nd apron.

Trade 2:
Butler to the Suns
Beal and Brown to the Heat
Rozier, PHX 2031 (own), PHX 2031 2nd round (via DEN,) to the Raptors (for taking on Rozier's next year $25m expiring). Maybe PHX prefers to send one of their newly acquired low 1sts (prob the 2027 one) instead of their own 2nds. Fine. Beal would prob waive his NTC to go to MIA. The salaries SHOULD work once PHX gets out from the 2nd apron.

We give up Boucher, Davion and Brown to take on Nurkic and Rozier for 1 more year, getting paid 2026 DEN 2nd rounder, 2031 PHX 2nd, and 2031 DEN 2nd. Nurk and Rozier can be moved next year as expirings.

Just trying to find a way to insert ourselves into the rumoured PHX/MIA star swap. They need someone to help facilitate.

We need at least a FRP. We shouldn't be taking on 40M+ for next year of Nurkic + Rozier for only distant SRPs.

That also puts us into the tax next year unless we dump KO. Ideally, KO gets traded for expirings first so we know how much salary we can take on next year to duck the tax.

[causal_fan]

If the heat released Jimmy Butler they have to pay him for the rest of the season but what happens in terms of his player option if he doesn't sign with another team?

[Psubs]

I would re-sign Boucher and Brown if they don't get good value back. Brown isn't an old player, he's in his prime and with a 10-15M a year deal he would be more tradable. I would probably push for a team option as well. A bunch of 2nd round picks isn't going to change our franchises trajectory, and we aren't signing any good free agents, these are the best we would likely get.

But one might....

Doesn't have to be Jokic. Maybe even Draymond would jettison the team.

[Thaddy]

I would re-sign Boucher and Brown if they don't get good value back. Brown isn't an old player, he's in his prime and with a 10-15M a year deal he would be more tradable. I would probably push for a team option as well. A bunch of 2nd round picks isn't going to change our franchises trajectory, and we aren't signing any good free agents, these are the best we would likely get.

But one might....

Doesn't have to be Jokic. Maybe even Draymond would jettison the team.

We need first round picks bro. 2nd rounders aren't enough but teams are gripping their picks harder than ever now.

[TheRaptor!]

bobby is a great stretch big