With the 45th pick, the Raptors select Jamal Shead

[Dennis 37]

Vampire appears to be comparing FVV's entire career, so I assume peak or average FVV?

And to be fair, FVV was a 2nd round talent who refused a two-way thing (or was it a G-League rights thing?) which is why he went undrafted. He would've been drafted in the current NBA climate of two-way deals.

Shead went 45th in a weak class, FVV maybe goes early 2nd.

FVV would have gone 2nd round if a team was willing to give him a full contract, not a two-way. Therefore no team thought he was worthy of a full contract.

I'm getting the impression those who are dumping on my Shead optimism are comparing him to peak or average FVV and not 1st year FVV.

1st year FVV was still superior to 1st year Shead. He just didn’t play due to us having good PG depth (Lowry CoJo Delon). Go check the G League numbers.

FVV was drafted in a different climate. 2-ways didn’t exist so he declined a “NBA rights” thing where he goes to the g-league without an nba deal. Completely different from the 2-ways we have now… they didn’t exist yet

My memory was faulty. No two ways then.

[ontnut]

It does. There are some positives from Shead, but it's not like he's blowing the door off so I'm not super excited or anything. I certainly don't think his floor is FVV

At that pick, anything he provides is good enough for me.

Pretty much this. If Shead provides ANY sort of regular minutes for us on a non-tanking team, that's an easy W, I don't care if it's 5mpg. Finding anything at the end of a (shallow) draft is money in the bank.

[tsherkin]

It does. There are some positives from Shead, but it's not like he's blowing the door off so I'm not super excited or anything. I certainly don't think his floor is FVV

At that pick, anything he provides is good enough for me.

Pretty much this. If Shead provides ANY sort of regular minutes for us on a non-tanking team, that's an easy W, I don't care if it's 5mpg. Finding anything at the end of a (shallow) draft is money in the bank.

Agreed.

[YogurtProducer]

It does. There are some positives from Shead, but it's not like he's blowing the door off so I'm not super excited or anything. I certainly don't think his floor is FVV

At that pick, anything he provides is good enough for me.

Pretty much this. If Shead provides ANY sort of regular minutes for us on a non-tanking team, that's an easy W, I don't care if it's 5mpg. Finding anything at the end of a (shallow) draft is money in the bank.

yep. A 57tg pick being good enough to even get a 2nd deal is an absolute win

[tsherkin]

yep. A 57tg pick being good enough to even get a 2nd deal is an absolute win

Right?

Any time a 2nd rounder sticks on the roster legitimately, even in a short-minute role, that's a win. Most of them are just gone after a year or two and fade into obscurity.

Remember Jeff Trepagnier?

No, of course not. Because he was the 36th pick in the 01 draft for Cleveland, played 31 NBA games over 3 seasons and 141 games in the G-League. Gone forever, long out of the popular conscious.

But Jalen Brunson? Well, he's obviously an exception. 33rd overall pick, wild success story.

Bruce Brown was 42nd overall, we obviously know him. Shake Milton has hung in the league. Nic Claxton? Daniel Gafford.

We're still trying with Koloko.

Any of these guys who gain minutes and stick around, even if they don't turn into insane success stories like Brunson or Jokic, they're wins. By the second round, you're scraping the barrel of what could be, so anything provided is excellent. Even an 11th man.

[Ell Curry]

Remember Jeff Trepagnier?

No, of course not.

How dare you? Of course. He could jump very high, went to USC and was not good at basketball.

[tsherkin]

Remember Jeff Trepagnier?

No, of course not.

How dare you? Of course. He could jump very high, went to USC and was not good at basketball.

Hahaha. I remember following him that NCAA year before the draft, almost by accident. Couldn't tell you why his name stuck xD

[Psubs]

At that pick, anything he provides is good enough for me.

Pretty much this. If Shead provides ANY sort of regular minutes for us on a non-tanking team, that's an easy W, I don't care if it's 5mpg. Finding anything at the end of a (shallow) draft is money in the bank.

yep. A 57tg pick being good enough to even get a 2nd deal is an absolute win

Shead was #45, still I get it.

Shead's floor is above Davion Mitchell already. I think also Marcus Sasser. When they were both on the floor together, Sass despite currently having a higher shooting % didn't seem like he was doing much of anything to influence the game, whereas you can see Shead's hustle on defense and quickness flying around on offense.

[YogurtProducer]

Pretty much this. If Shead provides ANY sort of regular minutes for us on a non-tanking team, that's an easy W, I don't care if it's 5mpg. Finding anything at the end of a (shallow) draft is money in the bank.

yep. A 57tg pick being good enough to even get a 2nd deal is an absolute win

Shead was #45, still I get it.

Shead's floor is above Davion Mitchell already. I think also Marcus Sasser. When they were both on the floor together, Sass despite currently having a higher shooting % didn't seem like he was doing much of anything to influence the game, whereas you can see Shead's hustle on defense and quickness flying around on offense.

Sheads floor is absolutely not above Davion Mitchell.

Sheads floor is his 3pt% right now is a small sample mirage, and he never improves on it, and he is out of the league in 24 months.

Suggesting his floor is a backup PG on a playoff team is heavily overrating what we should expect.

[MEDIC]

Shead quietly approaching 38% from three on the season. He shot is looking good.

I believed in this kid from the beginning. He's a worker & it shows. He looks to be ahead off schedule.

Looking forward to watching his development over the next 3 seasons. He doesn't have size, but that's the only knock on him at this point.

- Great defensive footwork
- Excellent speed/ athleticism
- Very good handle
- Very good court vision
- Very good passing ability
- Can finish at different angles from 5-10 feet
- 3 point shot improving rapidly

He has proven to be NBA ready after all of the work he put in this season. All he needs is reps and experience at this point..He's a legit NBA backup at minimum 2 seasons from now.

[Duffman100]

Shead quietly approaching 38% from three on the season. He shot is looking good.

I believed in this kid from the beginning. He's a worker & it shows. He looks to be ahead off schedule.

Looking forward to watching his development over the next 3 seasons. He doesn't have size, but that's the only knock on him at this point.

- Great defensive footwork
- Excellent speed/ athleticism
- Very good handle
- Very good court vision
- Very good passing ability
- Can finish at different angles from 5-10 feet
- 3 point shot improving rapidly

He has proven to be NBA ready after all of the work he put in this season. All he needs is reps and experience at this point..He's a legit NBA backup at minimum 2 seasons from now.

He doesn't have size, but he's built a brick **** house which helps mitigate that.

Kid has solid backup PG for many NBA seasons written all over him. Has to chill on the turnovers...that's his main issue right now.

[MEDIC]

Shead didn't have the best shooting night, but I loved the energy he brought. He looks like he is getting more confident & it looks like his teammates are starting to gain more chemistry with him.

He was a +21 last night in 22 minutes of play.

[GoRapstheoriginal]

Shead didn't have the best shooting night, but I loved the energy he brought. He looks like he is getting more confident & it looks like his teammates are starting to gain more chemistry with him.

He was a +21 last night in 22 minutes of play.

Agreed! Looking better & better!

[StopitLeo]

Shead quietly approaching 38% from three on the season. He shot is looking good.

I believed in this kid from the beginning. He's a worker & it shows. He looks to be ahead off schedule.

Looking forward to watching his development over the next 3 seasons. He doesn't have size, but that's the only knock on him at this point.

- Great defensive footwork
- Excellent speed/ athleticism
- Very good handle
- Very good court vision
- Very good passing ability
- Can finish at different angles from 5-10 feet
- 3 point shot improving rapidly

He has proven to be NBA ready after all of the work he put in this season. All he needs is reps and experience at this point..He's a legit NBA backup at minimum 2 seasons from now.

I really like his ability to finish between the 3pt line and the rim. Having a little floater game will be very beneficial if his 3 point shooting legitimately hovers around 38%+. If you take out his brutal left corner 3s (2/10) then he is shooting 40% from deep. Getting a player at 45 who can contribute at all is a minor miracle so Shead has been impressive.

[Psubs]

Shead quietly approaching 38% from three on the season. He shot is looking good.

I believed in this kid from the beginning. He's a worker & it shows. He looks to be ahead off schedule.

Looking forward to watching his development over the next 3 seasons. He doesn't have size, but that's the only knock on him at this point.

- Great defensive footwork
- Excellent speed/ athleticism
- Very good handle
- Very good court vision
- Very good passing ability
- Can finish at different angles from 5-10 feet
- 3 point shot improving rapidly

He has proven to be NBA ready after all of the work he put in this season. All he needs is reps and experience at this point..He's a legit NBA backup at minimum 2 seasons from now.

He doesn't have size, but he's built a brick **** house which helps mitigate that.

Kid has solid backup PG for many NBA seasons written all over him. Has to chill on the turnovers...that's his main issue right now.

This is his rookie season and it usually takes PG's and C's longer to develop their game. He's playing his game and not being bashful.

[DreamTeam09]

He's lucky he's a legit 6'1 and not a 5'11 m-6'0 guard. He looks visibly taller than Davion out there.
He's ahead of schedule in terms of what I thought if him, glad his 3 is improving, his strength is the key to how he is able to get his shot off

[mihaic]

He blocked Dejounte today on a 1on1 drive, that's not easy to do.

Look, I don't know how well he will progress in year 2, 3, and beyond, but his rookie year is better than Fred's in my opinion.

[MEDIC]

He blocked Dejounte today on a 1on1 drive, that's not easy to do.

I have been waiting all season for him to pull one of these off. He blocked a 6'10" guy when he was in College.

[Tripod]

So far so good.

[aminiaturebuddha]

This has been a great learning year for Shead. He's getting lots of playing time with a bunch of different players in different lineups.

He still makes mistakes out there. He needs to get better at figuring out which passes will work and which won't at the NBA level. And he also needs to regulate his intensity on defence to make sure he doesn't commit unnecessary fouls.

But he has had some very impressive moments, and is steadily solidifying his play at both ends. I'm really excited to watch his development over the next few years. I think he's a career backup, but I also think he could be a very good one, and someone that just wins all his minutes because of the impact he can make in a number of aspects of the game.