2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2

[UnbelievablyRAW]

I've made my points on Ace Bailey. Yes he's a shot maker and when he's on he's on. Yet there are still red flags with him from a decision making perspective and overall feel for the game. I see him as a very good off ball threat who can defend his man but will struggle to create off the dribble and be a good team defender. Again things could change, he's played better in his last few games.

I feel the on ball creation can come.

Him as an off ball threat who just play finishes is fine as a start. The shooting is real open or not, and he’s shown great effort in defense. I feel he’s shown good potential as a help defender with multiple 1+ block games which would be great as a wing next to Scottie.

Not saying I’m taking him over Harper at this point but I wouldn’t be shocked if the Raptors did. His handle isn’t clean but it isn’t trash and has improved from within this season alone. I think that sort of thing can be drilled into you if you want to. We’ve seen that with Demar from his rookie years to his all star years. That handle got 100% better

[CoinTossRoss31]

Not related to this draft but Ware passed my eye test and is already looking great. Was hoping he would fall to us

I was also really hoping for Ware last year as our C for the future.
Cant be too upset with Jakobe but it really wouldve been nice to have a young C in the pipeline to take over for Poetl when traded.

[Ell Curry]

Flory Bidunga played in the Nike Hoops Summit for team World. Is he like Adem Bona?

I don't remember a ton about what I thought when I saw Bona, but yeah. When I saw Bidunga early in the year, my takeaways were that he's a little short and raw but strong and athletic, good defensive prospect at least. He's backing up Dickinson, but if they play even 3 tourney games I would expect Bidunga to close at least one or two of them because Dickinson is really slow and bad on D (skilled and big enough to be an NBA starting center in the 1980s I think, he's got Jahlil Okafor disease) and some team will cook them in the high pick and roll.

I guess the hope with all these guys is you draft one in the 20s or 30s and they're basically Okongwu, but Okongwu's freshman stats suggest he was further along as a shooter and passer and at least as strong defensively.

My guess is he comes back and starts next year then comes out assuming he plays well.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Not related to this draft but Ware passed my eye test and is already looking great. Was hoping he would fall to us

I drove that damn bandwagon for 2 years, I’m sad. But JaKobe has a lot that I didn’t see, he kinda sorta reminds me of SGA a bit if I squint REALLY hard. Not bad at 19.

[ItsDanger]

Any 6'10 player that can go left or right shouldn't have huge problems creating shots in more space, especially when he has a good face up game. Most "stars' in this league don't have it still. Bailey is a scorer and that has value especially in late shot clock situations. Is he the most well rounded player currently? No. But he fits on teams that need that element. Who knows what his true upside is.

[ItsDanger]

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If he was 2 years younger, he'd be mocked much higher. Currently late 1st? Probably will go 16-24 range. Unless we get another 1st, we're not getting him. He fits many team's needs immediately. 3 pt shot looks clean and quick, good size and mobility. What's not to like here?

[DG88]

I've made my points on Ace Bailey. Yes he's a shot maker and when he's on he's on. Yet there are still red flags with him from a decision making perspective and overall feel for the game. I see him as a very good off ball threat who can defend his man but will struggle to create off the dribble and be a good team defender. Again things could change, he's played better in his last few games.

Michael Porter Jr?

Yes or Rashard Lewis as another comp for him.

[Merit]

Last year I was all in on Chomche and would've even been okay had we drafted him at #19 (though wanted Tristan DaSilva). Then I was cool with him at #31 or #45, but happy they got him with #57.

You were that high on Chomche? Impressive.

I was high on Franz Wagner, Jalen Johnson, Walker Kessler, Desmond Ban, Cason Wallace (over Scoot),Bub Carrington, Tristan Da'Silva, Paul Reed.

Ones that fizzled were Reed Sheppard (too soon), Sidy Cissoko (maybe turns things around by his prime?), Isaiah Todd, Cassius Stanley and Luka Garza.

I liked Tristan and Cason but I didn’t have Jalen Johnson or Bane.

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Not related to this draft but Ware passed my eye test and is already looking great. Was hoping he would fall to us

I drove that damn bandwagon for 2 years, I’m sad. But JaKobe has a lot that I didn’t see, he kinda sorta reminds me of SGA a bit if I squint REALLY hard. Not bad at 19.

Need to start clearing house to give Jakobe more minutes.

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If he was 2 years younger, he'd be mocked much higher. Currently late 1st? Probably will go 16-24 range. Unless we get another 1st, we're not getting him. He fits many team's needs immediately. 3 pt shot looks clean and quick, good size and mobility. What's not to like here?

Do my eyes fool me? Do I see a poor man's lanky Zion that can shoot 3's better?

Why is CMB ranked so much higher than Rasheer? Draft Raheer with a pick in the mid to late teens. Is his floor a taller Jarace Walker? Jarace isn't quite beasting because he's a PF in a tweener body.

My suggestion is Olynyk and 2025 2nd pick (Por) for Maxi Kleber and 2025 1st pick (Dal top 4 protected).

Trade Bruce Brown for some late or 2nd picks to get the Ivisic's.

[Ell Curry]

Boogie Fland out for the year. Wonder if he might fall to #35. There are a fair amount of PGs that should go ahead of him (Harper, Jakucionis, Fears, Traore, Philon and then a couple guys who are taller but basically might be PGs). Maybe the Nets take him with one of their 3 late firsts, though, they seem to be in no hurry.

[Psubs]

Boogie Fland out for the year. Wonder if he might fall to #35. There are a fair amount of PGs that should go ahead of him (Harper, Jakucionis, Fears, Traore, Philon and then a couple guys who are taller but basically might be PGs). Maybe the Nets take him with one of their 3 late firsts, though, they seem to be in no hurry.

What makes Philon better than Fland? Arkansas has to get back to playing big; put Zvonimir back into the starting lineup.

I really don't want to draft any guards (assuming Davion is gone) unless Jakobe, Dick or IQ are traded for a forward.

Ya, BK has 3 picks in the 20's and in need of a PG, you'd think they'd take 1 there.

[Ell Curry]

Boogie Fland out for the year. Wonder if he might fall to #35. There are a fair amount of PGs that should go ahead of him (Harper, Jakucionis, Fears, Traore, Philon and then a couple guys who are taller but basically might be PGs). Maybe the Nets take him with one of their 3 late firsts, though, they seem to be in no hurry.

What makes Philon better than Fland? Arkansas has to get back to playing big; put Zvonimir back into the starting lineup.

I really don't want to draft any guards (assuming Davion is gone) unless Jakobe, Dick or IQ are traded for a forward.

Ya, BK has 3 picks in the 20's and in need of a PG, you'd think they'd take 1 there.

I don't really know who's better. Seen Fland once and Philon twice. Philon plays bigger, Fland can shoot the 3 but is shooting a putrid 41% from inside the arc and an even worse 38% at the rim.

Philon is at 58% inside the arc and struggling from 3 (27%, decent volume). I liked Philon more from what I saw, but you're betting on him developing into an average shooter. Went 3/5 from 3 the other night, but his release was slow when I saw it, and he was unguarded. But with Fland, I think the upside is much lower because I don't really see why he'd be able to score inside, but they're probably fairly similar right now in terms of level.

Has a guy ever shot as low as 38% at the rim in college and been a good pro? Nobody seems to have done it - I only found conference play stats, though - in the last 7 years, Some good college PGs on the list, but the guy who got the most NBA time was Kyle Guy, at 400 minutes.

Now I'm wondering if Torvik has the right number? It makes sense at his size, but it's still really low for a guy who is overall having a solid season.

[Indeed]

Boogie Fland out for the year. Wonder if he might fall to #35. There are a fair amount of PGs that should go ahead of him (Harper, Jakucionis, Fears, Traore, Philon and then a couple guys who are taller but basically might be PGs). Maybe the Nets take him with one of their 3 late firsts, though, they seem to be in no hurry.

What makes Philon better than Fland? Arkansas has to get back to playing big; put Zvonimir back into the starting lineup.

I really don't want to draft any guards (assuming Davion is gone) unless Jakobe, Dick or IQ are traded for a forward.

Ya, BK has 3 picks in the 20's and in need of a PG, you'd think they'd take 1 there.

I don't really know who's better. Seen Fland once and Philon twice. Philon plays bigger, Fland can shoot the 3 but is shooting a putrid 41% from inside the arc and an even worse 38% at the rim.

Philon is at 58% inside the arc and struggling from 3 (27%, decent volume). I liked Philon more from what I saw, but you're betting on him developing into an average shooter. Went 3/5 from 3 the other night, but his release was slow when I saw it, and he was unguarded. But with Fland, I think the upside is much lower because I don't really see why he'd be able to score inside, but they're probably fairly similar right now in terms of level.

Has a guy ever shot as low as 38% at the rim in college and been a good pro? Nobody seems to have done it - I only found conference play stats, though - in the last 7 years, Some good college PGs on the list, but the guy who got the most NBA time was Kyle Guy, at 400 minutes.

Now I'm wondering if Torvik has the right number? It makes sense at his size, but it's still really low for a guy who is overall having a solid season.

Fland (not a good finisher at rim, good 3 point shooter, and mainly mid-range shooter)

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DUNKS         At the rim               Other 2-PT               3-Pt Jumpers   
Tot    Pct.    Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed    Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed    Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed
0-0   0%      18-49   36.7%   27.8%      39-90   43.3%   17.9%      35-96   36.5%   57.1%


Philion (good rim pressure, not very good from 3s and mostly assisted)

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DUNKS         At the rim               Other 2-PT               3-Pt Jumpers   
Tot    Pct.    Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed    Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed    Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed
3-3   100.0%      48-76   63.2%   16.7%      15-33   45.5%   6.7%      18-65   27.7%   94.4%


Fears (good rim pressure, not very good from 3s, but can create at 3 levels)

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DUNKS         At the rim               Other 2-PT               3-Pt Jumpers   
Tot    Pct.    Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed    Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed    Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed
5-5   100.0%      55-88   62.5%   27.3%      24-52   46.2%   8.3%      18-68   26.5%   50.0%


Jakucionis (good finishing at rim, very good 3 point shooter who can create from pull up 3s)

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DUNKS         At the rim               Other 2-PT               3-Pt Jumpers   
Tot    Pct.    Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed    Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed    Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed
1-1   100.0%      34-51   66.7%   29.4%      11-25   44.0%   0.0%      32-79   40.5%   34.4%


Note, all of them are having usage between 22% - 26%, except Fears with 35% usage rate.
As for TS, Jakucionis at 66%, Fears at 58%, Fland and Philion around 51%.
Passing rate is about the same for Jakucionis, Fears and Fland between 30% - 31%, while Philion around 22%

[Brinbe]

big game from edgecombe tonight



like that he's getting to the line and knocking down his FTs. also hitting some 3s too.

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[DreamTeam09]

big game from edgecombe tonight



like that he's getting to the line and knocking down his FTs. also hitting some 3s too.

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He's starting to grow on me as a great fit between RJ & Barnes with the potential to be the best scorer of the group too. Would help our defense tremendously, + we clearly have some kind of Baylor connection

[DG88]

VJ drops 30. Nice breakout game for him. He's been playing better as of late.

[LoveMyRaps]

Mark Williams with a massive game tonight.

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This is why I'm excited about Maluach. He's got even more upside than Williams because he has the ability to stretch the floor, something he hasn't been able to showcase at Duke because they have him pinned in the paint.

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Maluach is OOOZING with talent.

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[Yallbecrazy]

Great game for CMB tonight too.

[Landomar]

VJ drops 30. Nice breakout game for him. He's been playing better as of late.

I've been a believer in VJ all year. His advanced stats have been good even with the scoring troubles, kind of similar to Flagg's start. A big night like this is great to see from him.