Wolves/Lakers

[winforlose]

Spotrac says this works but it might need to be two trades.

Wolves out: NAW
Wolves in: Dalton Kneckt, Christian wood

Lebron and AD want an improvement. NAW is a starter quality SG/SF who can POA defend better than anyone on the LAL roster. Get Vando back and now you can play them together and get a lot of defensive value, especially with AD down low. Meanwhile NAW has some ball handling skills and despite being in a slump is shooting over 40% from deep for the season.

The Wolves get a rookie scale shooter and save on having to pay NAW next year. Wood becomes the short term backup C we need, and can use the money going to be spent on NAW elsewhere.

Might need a 2nd going to the Wolves as NAW is much better than Kneckt at this point. Also please note to make this work a trade exemption is used on Spotrac.

[Texas Chuck]

Can't see the Lakers moving Knecht for one year of NAW period. But definitely not after picking up DFS already. Definitely do not need more value going back to Minny. Value needs to be going the other way.

[winforlose]

Can't see the Lakers moving Knecht for one year of NAW period. But definitely not after picking up DFS already. Definitely do not need more value going back to Minny. Value needs to be going the other way.

Kneckt is a bad defender whose shot has fallen off a cliff. I hesitated even suggesting this trade. I see LAL as getting huge value. Bird rights on NAW give them an excellent chance at a reasonable contract. If you truly think that Knect is more valuable than NAW then I don’t know what else there is to say.

[Texas Chuck]

I'm not expecting you to agree on value. But role players of his ilk on expiring contracts typically don't return recent 1st round picks that have shown any promise. Especially not when you ask LA to add value on top of that for you to consider it.

If you need NAW too much to trade him, cool. I get that. But you shouldn't expect a significant overpayment like this just because you love him.

[giberish]

Can't see the Lakers moving Knecht for one year of NAW period. But definitely not after picking up DFS already. Definitely do not need more value going back to Minny. Value needs to be going the other way.

Kneckt is a bad defender whose shot has fallen off a cliff. I hesitated even suggesting this trade. I see LAL as getting huge value. Bird rights on NAW give them an excellent chance at a reasonable contract. If you truly think that Knect is more valuable than NAW then I don’t know what else there is to say.

NAW is clearly better than Kneckt this season. But after this season NAW is a UFA while Kneckt has 3 more cheap contract years followed by RFA status. That's why he has higher trade value.

[winforlose]

I'm not expecting you to agree on value. But role players of his ilk on expiring contracts typically don't return recent 1st round picks that have shown any promise. Especially not when you ask LA to add value on top of that for you to consider it.

If you need NAW too much to trade him, cool. I get that. But you shouldn't expect a significant overpayment like this just because you love him.

1. Lakers stars are publicly demanding improve now trades. This is that kind of trade.

2. DK is a terrible defender with a defensive rating of 118.8. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/dalton-knecht-defensive-rating

3. I know you me and Shrink have had the conversation about picks losing value as they actually play. DK is not a first, he is a rookie on a rookie scale, but his weaknesses have diminished his value. I am willing to take the worst player in the trade for the cheap money and possibility that the already 23 year old Kneckt might get his act together in a year or two. Good luck finding teams willing to pay more than a NAW type player and bird rights.

[winforlose]

Can't see the Lakers moving Knecht for one year of NAW period. But definitely not after picking up DFS already. Definitely do not need more value going back to Minny. Value needs to be going the other way.

Kneckt is a bad defender whose shot has fallen off a cliff. I hesitated even suggesting this trade. I see LAL as getting huge value. Bird rights on NAW give them an excellent chance at a reasonable contract. If you truly think that Knect is more valuable than NAW then I don’t know what else there is to say.

NAW is clearly better than Kneckt this season. But after this season NAW is a UFA while Kneckt has 3 more cheap contract years followed by RFA status. That's why he has higher trade value.

True, but Kneckt at 24 and cheap is not the same as Kneckt at 20 and cheap. His flaws are his flaws. He is at best a sniper and at worst not even that. NAW is an actual 3 and D, and with bird rights he is likely to be retained. I don’t see the Lakers getting a better offer on him without taking back bad money.

[dcstanley]

What about JHS, Wood, and a 2026 pick swap?

[winforlose]

What about JHS, Wood, and a 2026 pick swap?

1. Wolves owe a 26 swap to Jazz, doesn’t work.

2. JHS has no value for us.

3. I still don’t think DK is enough value for NAW, I almost didn’t post this. I see DK’s upside as a Beasley type Sniper and his downside as out of the league. He is right on that ledge. You want to replace him with even less value and get a starting quality 3 and D?

[schaffy]

Im not seeing that it works on Spotrac. Unless you are bringing 1 of the guys in via a TPE, which I thought as a 2nd apron team they aren't allowed to do (perhaps I'm wrong on that).

The problem with dealing NAW is that his current play/value to the team is really hard to replace in a trade when he only makes $4.3M and they cant aggregate.

No they wouldn't get Knecht for him.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

When LeBron making public trade requests i don’t think he is asking for NAW type players.

[moss_is_1]

I'd do this for the Wolves. Naw is probably a luxury for us so could see him being moved for picks or a young guy. We need shooting. Wood sucks but he at least has a pulse to play backup 5 in a pinch.

[moss_is_1]

When LeBron making public trade requests i don’t think he is asking for NAW type players.

Naw would be great as someone who's a high level POA defender, solid shooter, and can handle some in a pinch. He's still decently young as well.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

When LeBron making public trade requests i don’t think he is asking for NAW type players.

Naw would be great as someone who's a high level POA defender, solid shooter, and can handle some in a pinch. He's still decently young as well.

Not saying he is bad or doesn’t help. But to imply lakers make this move at LeBron request is a reach imo.

[winforlose]

When LeBron making public trade requests i don’t think he is asking for NAW type players.

Naw would be great as someone who's a high level POA defender, solid shooter, and can handle some in a pinch. He's still decently young as well.

Not saying he is bad or doesn’t help. But to imply lakers make this move at LeBron request is a reach imo.

LeBron wants upgrades, Kneckt is not in NAWs league right now. Wolves save money next year and try to develop Kneckt, Lakers get that upgrade now.

[Texas Chuck]

Propose trade to bring player to my favorite team at a price favoring my team. Trashing the player I proposed to my team to justify it. Makes for really bad threads.

If he sucks and ain't worth your amazingly valuable player, cool. But don't then propose the trade, right?

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[kobe_vs_jordan]

Naw would be great as someone who's a high level POA defender, solid shooter, and can handle some in a pinch. He's still decently young as well.

Not saying he is bad or doesn’t help. But to imply lakers make this move at LeBron request is a reach imo.

LeBron wants upgrades, Kneckt is not in NAWs league right now. Wolves save money next year and try to develop Kneckt, Lakers get that upgrade now.

LeBron wants to compete for championship. I don’t see NAW addition increasing those odds in a meaningful manner. Lakers send Dalton to the team that is increasing their title odds imo.

[Andre Roberstan]

Naw would be great as someone who's a high level POA defender, solid shooter, and can handle some in a pinch. He's still decently young as well.

Not saying he is bad or doesn’t help. But to imply lakers make this move at LeBron request is a reach imo.

LeBron wants upgrades, Kneckt is not in NAWs league right now. Wolves save money next year and try to develop Kneckt, Lakers get that upgrade now.

Does NAW make the difference between winning or losing a playoff series over Knecht with the Lakers as currently constructed? I don't think so.

That's what the other posters are referring to. It's an on-the-court upgrade, but a marginal one. Better to take a bigger swing even if there's higher risk, because this isn't going to do it.

[winforlose]

Propose trade to bring player to my favorite team at a price favoring my team. Trashing the player I proposed to my team to justify it. Makes for really bad threads.

If he sucks and ain't worth your amazingly valuable player, cool. But don't then propose the trade, right?

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What part of short term for long term don’t you get? I already stated that DK’s value is his cheap contract and potential to develop into the sniper role. This is a money saving move for the Wolves, and a talent upgrade for the Lakers. What makes for bad threads is you coming in and trying to make arguments out of both sides of your mouth. On the one hand you say Terrance Shannon lost value since the draft because players have less value than picks, but above you argue DK is worth a first even when he is struggling. Make up your mind Texas!

[winforlose]

Not saying he is bad or doesn’t help. But to imply lakers make this move at LeBron request is a reach imo.

LeBron wants upgrades, Kneckt is not in NAWs league right now. Wolves save money next year and try to develop Kneckt, Lakers get that upgrade now.

Does NAW make the difference between winning or losing a playoff series over Knecht with the Lakers as currently constructed? I don't think so.

That's what the other posters are referring to. It's an on-the-court upgrade, but a marginal one. Better to take a bigger swing even if there's higher risk, because this isn't going to do it.

This is a good argument against. My counter is LAL needs shooting and defense more than a big swing like Zach who only gives shooting. Also this doesn’t preclude a big swing. That said, if the Lakers need DK to make a big swing without giving up other assets that also makes sense.