Should have been LAL/CHI simple, instead +ORL/DAL/POR

[nykballa2k4]

So the bones of the trade idea was Lakers trading Rui (or Vandy/Vincent)+SRP for Vuc to address their center needs. Then trade machine fun happened.


Big version:
Lakers trade Rui, Vincent, Christie, Vanderbilt, 2 SRP (2025 - Own; LAC)
for Vucevic, KCP, THT
rationale: I believe it is said Lakers are looking to get a center. Vucevic offers a legitimate upgrade at C who also provides spacing.
THT and KCP both have been Lakers before and played well for the team. Two role players to add needed depth.
Without touching FRP and Reeves, this offers a lot of help.

Bulls trade Vuc, THT, Lavine, POR FRP
get Ayton, Rui, Cole Anthony, more favorable of ORL/DEN FRP '25.
rationale: okay, lots to unpack here, but first and foremost, trading high on Lavine with his current contract is important. Bulls can hope to increase the value of Ayton by getting him involved in the offense (lots of touches now that Lavine and Vuc are out). Rui and Cole are decent depth players at good value. The effect of swapping the picks helps to give them the guaranteed pick this year rather than waiting on a pick that could become worse or become 1 SRP. Maybe the Bulls tank, or maybe spin assets to get BI and go for it?

Magic trade KCP, Anthony, HArris, FRP (better of theirs/protected nugs 2025)
get Lavnie, Reath, J Walker
rationale: take a huge financial gamble with Zach, but the starting 5 will be unquestionably more talented. Could be an all-in type move. Hard to say what Reath and Walker are on good teams. I like Walker, son of Samaki Walker IIRC. He is a good end of bench option. Reath just adds center depth as I believe Wagner is out for a long time.

Mavericks trade Kleber and SRP for Vanderbilt
rationale: low cost, Kleber has been bad all season. Vanderbilt, while having his own difficulties with staying on the court, is a replacement for some of what Lively was.

Blazers trade Ayton, Reath, Walker
get own FRP back, 3 SRP, Kleber, Vincent, Harris, Christie.
Not a huge haul, but thanks to taking on some empty calories in Kleber and Vincent, getting back their own pick is good for their rebuild while adding SRP can help with giving them more flexibility in trades or just taking more swings on picks. Christie has been good, he is young and a willing defender. I view him as a positive asset, but that's because of expected development.

[cucad8]

Yes for portland

[JRoy]

The FRP will most likely be a SRP but the deal works for POR.

[Dr Aki]

No for LA, this is like 4 wing players for 1 usable one and 1 center that's not going to be on the floor at the end of games

If LA was trading this many wing players, they'd better be the ones getting Lavine back at the minimum

[jayjaysee]

This is really bad for Dallas. And even as a Maxi-fan, I can say it’s hard to make a legal Maxi trade that’s bad for Dallas.

[nykballa2k4]

No for LA, this is like 4 wing players for 1 usable one and 1 center that's not going to be on the floor at the end of games

If LA was trading this many wing players, they'd better be the ones getting Lavine back at the minimum

how would that work?
he is making 43M. Lakers are a 1st apron team, so you need to get OVER 43M outgoing. This same package (using pretty much all non-essential salary) is 45M outgoing. So in effect, rather than get bigger as Lakers have said they want (the said they want a center) Lavine gets them an offense-first guard.

Would you rather
Reeves-KCP-LeBron-Davis-Vuc and smaller option Reeves-KCP-DFS-LeBron-AD
OR
Reeves-Lavine-Knecht-LBJ-AD (bench options remaining would be Wood, Jax, ?)

I really think the former is exactly the kind of team LeBron likes. He also can be surrounded with shooters (many 2 way players) when AD is out.

[Dr Aki]

No for LA, this is like 4 wing players for 1 usable one and 1 center that's not going to be on the floor at the end of games

If LA was trading this many wing players, they'd better be the ones getting Lavine back at the minimum

how would that work?
he is making 43M. Lakers are a 1st apron team, so you need to get OVER 43M outgoing. This same package (using pretty much all non-essential salary) is 45M outgoing. So in effect, rather than get bigger as Lakers have said they want (the said they want a center) Lavine gets them an offense-first guard.

Would you rather
Reeves-KCP-LeBron-Davis-Vuc and smaller option Reeves-KCP-DFS-LeBron-AD
OR
Reeves-Lavine-Knecht-LBJ-AD (bench options remaining would be Wood, Jax, ?)

I really think the former is exactly the kind of team LeBron likes. He also can be surrounded with shooters (many 2 way players) when AD is out.

I'll be honest, the only player that interests me in this deal is KCP. I understand if the price for getting KCP is taking on THT.

Would rather not trade for Vuc at all.

[nykballa2k4]

No for LA, this is like 4 wing players for 1 usable one and 1 center that's not going to be on the floor at the end of games

If LA was trading this many wing players, they'd better be the ones getting Lavine back at the minimum

how would that work?
he is making 43M. Lakers are a 1st apron team, so you need to get OVER 43M outgoing. This same package (using pretty much all non-essential salary) is 45M outgoing. So in effect, rather than get bigger as Lakers have said they want (the said they want a center) Lavine gets them an offense-first guard.

Would you rather
Reeves-KCP-LeBron-Davis-Vuc and smaller option Reeves-KCP-DFS-LeBron-AD
OR
Reeves-Lavine-Knecht-LBJ-AD (bench options remaining would be Wood, Jax, ?)

I really think the former is exactly the kind of team LeBron likes. He also can be surrounded with shooters (many 2 way players) when AD is out.

I'll be honest, the only player that interests me in this deal is KCP. I understand if the price for getting KCP is taking on THT.

Would rather not trade for Vuc at all.

You don't see the practicality in a Rui for Vuc upgrade? I priced that piece at 1 SRP, then the other SRP with Christie went into the price for KCP (and I wanted to put a guy who can play point guard on defense back to LA in the trade, thus THT)

[Dr Aki]

how would that work?
he is making 43M. Lakers are a 1st apron team, so you need to get OVER 43M outgoing. This same package (using pretty much all non-essential salary) is 45M outgoing. So in effect, rather than get bigger as Lakers have said they want (the said they want a center) Lavine gets them an offense-first guard.

Would you rather
Reeves-KCP-LeBron-Davis-Vuc and smaller option Reeves-KCP-DFS-LeBron-AD
OR
Reeves-Lavine-Knecht-LBJ-AD (bench options remaining would be Wood, Jax, ?)

I really think the former is exactly the kind of team LeBron likes. He also can be surrounded with shooters (many 2 way players) when AD is out.

I'll be honest, the only player that interests me in this deal is KCP. I understand if the price for getting KCP is taking on THT.

Would rather not trade for Vuc at all.

You don't see the practicality in a Rui for Vuc upgrade? I priced that piece at 1 SRP, then the other SRP with Christie went into the price for KCP (and I wanted to put a guy who can play point guard on defense back to LA in the trade, thus THT)

You know what, you've convinced me on the Rui for Vuc portion of it. I figure DFS will be on the floor instead of Vuc in crunch time. Vuc for a year will make for a decent expiring trade piece in a year.

Is there a way to keep one of Christie and not return THT? Lakers can sub in enough expirings (CWood, Hayes, Reddish) to make up the money diff for legal trade purposes. Otherwise, the Lakers are just way too thin at guard/wing defense with just KCP. I don't really consider THT to be good enough on PGs.

[nykballa2k4]

I'll be honest, the only player that interests me in this deal is KCP. I understand if the price for getting KCP is taking on THT.

Would rather not trade for Vuc at all.

You don't see the practicality in a Rui for Vuc upgrade? I priced that piece at 1 SRP, then the other SRP with Christie went into the price for KCP (and I wanted to put a guy who can play point guard on defense back to LA in the trade, thus THT)

You know what, you've convinced me on the Rui for Vuc portion of it. I figure DFS will be on the floor instead of Vuc in crunch time. Vuc for a year will make for a decent expiring trade piece in a year.

Is there a way to keep one of Christie and not return THT? Lakers can sub in enough expirings (CWood, Hayes, Reddish) to make up the money diff for legal trade purposes. Otherwise, the Lakers are just way too thin at guard/wing defense with just KCP. I don't really consider THT to be good enough on PGs.

I think we can make it legal, but I don't know about value. I am using Christie as a positive value. I'm out of SRP to add, so i guess it's up to Portland fans if that could be swapped out.
I might be more high on THT because I remember him being a pain against us (Knicks) as a member of the Jazz. Basically an agile bowling ball.

[cucad8]

You know what, you've convinced me on the Rui for Vuc portion of it. I figure DFS will be on the floor instead of Vuc in crunch time. Vuc for a year will make for a decent expiring trade piece in a year.

Is there a way to keep one of Christie and not return THT? Lakers can sub in enough expirings (CWood, Hayes, Reddish) to make up the money diff for legal trade purposes. Otherwise, the Lakers are just way too thin at guard/wing defense with just KCP. I don't really consider THT to be good enough on PGs.

As a Portland fan, I'd let you keep Christie for Hayes(generic C depth). But unsure if that fudges the $, since there's a 4.5 million dollar difference between the two. Maybe throw in a distant 2nd, '30 or '31?

[Dr Aki]

You know what, you've convinced me on the Rui for Vuc portion of it. I figure DFS will be on the floor instead of Vuc in crunch time. Vuc for a year will make for a decent expiring trade piece in a year.

Is there a way to keep one of Christie and not return THT? Lakers can sub in enough expirings (CWood, Hayes, Reddish) to make up the money diff for legal trade purposes. Otherwise, the Lakers are just way too thin at guard/wing defense with just KCP. I don't really consider THT to be good enough on PGs.

As a Portland fan, I'd let you keep Christie for Hayes(generic C depth). But unsure if that fudges the $, since there's a 4.5 million dollar difference between the two.

The Lakers also have CWood, Reddish and JHS as additional expiring contracts, along with Hayes, it's altogether roughly 12.0 mil in expiring contracts

One of the teams in this trade would probably like to take a look at JHS

[Myth]

Works for me.

[cucad8]

You know what, you've convinced me on the Rui for Vuc portion of it. I figure DFS will be on the floor instead of Vuc in crunch time. Vuc for a year will make for a decent expiring trade piece in a year.

Is there a way to keep one of Christie and not return THT? Lakers can sub in enough expirings (CWood, Hayes, Reddish) to make up the money diff for legal trade purposes. Otherwise, the Lakers are just way too thin at guard/wing defense with just KCP. I don't really consider THT to be good enough on PGs.

As a Portland fan, I'd let you keep Christie for Hayes(generic C depth). But unsure if that fudges the $, since there's a 4.5 million dollar difference between the two.

The Lakers also have CWood, Reddish and JHS as additional expiring contracts, along with Hayes, it's altogether roughly 12.0 mil in expiring contracts

Portland's already at the roster limit,and will have to cut one player already before this deal. Once we start stacking expirings, we get in to cutting recent draft picks we might actually have an interest in developing.

[Dr Aki]

As a Portland fan, I'd let you keep Christie for Hayes(generic C depth). But unsure if that fudges the $, since there's a 4.5 million dollar difference between the two.

The Lakers also have CWood, Reddish and JHS as additional expiring contracts, along with Hayes, it's altogether roughly 12.0 mil in expiring contracts

Portland's already at the roster limit,and will have to cut one player already before this deal. Once we start stacking expirings, we get in to cutting recent draft picks we might actually have an interest in developing.

I assume all of CWood, Reddish would be instant cuts mostly, they're just there to make the money work

[cucad8]

The Lakers also have CWood, Reddish and JHS as additional expiring contracts, along with Hayes, it's altogether roughly 12.0 mil in expiring contracts

Portland's already at the roster limit,and will have to cut one player already before this deal. Once we start stacking expirings, we get in to cutting recent draft picks we might actually have an interest in developing.

I assume all of CWood, Reddish would be instant cuts mostly, they're just there to make the money work

You can't go over and then cut during the regular season unfortunately. Though routing JHS or another one elsewhere could work.

[Dez]

No from Chicago, we get off productive big contracts in Vuc (who is actually on a good deal) and LaVine but take back Portland's embarrassment of a contract in Ayton? No thanks.

Why do Portland get their pick back? Portland make out like bandits here, give up nothing and get out the worst contract in the league.

[JRoy]

No from Chicago, we get off productive big contracts in Vuc (who is actually on a good deal) and LaVine but take back Portland's embarrassment of a contract in Ayton? No thanks.

Why do Portland get their pick back? Portland make out like bandits here, give up nothing and get out the worst contract in the league.

Ayton has an awful contract but Beal is worse.

[cucad8]

No from Chicago, we get off productive big contracts in Vuc (who is actually on a good deal) and LaVine but take back Portland's embarrassment of a contract in Ayton? No thanks.

Why do Portland get their pick back? Portland make out like bandits here, give up nothing and get out the worst contract in the league.

1 year at 35 million is a big overpay, but it's to be an expiring deal , and laughable to call it the worst contract in the league.

[Skybox]

ORL gets in line to hang up