King of Cam Alot

[Scoot McGroot]

Yes, the point was the show the odds but also the true value of Cam is much higher than 2 or 3 people on here have tried to state.

I get it. We are all excited. A few of us are some of the original RealGMers. It is nice to see the action in here as I am one of the original dirty dozen.

I have seen this happen very often as well. When it is a player who is expiring like DFS or Schroeder he will go for not much. That is why they were dealt for decent guys and 2nds. This is not the case.

I do not think we will get much true information until Jan 30th. Stay tuned...

Remember that odds are set to encourage more betting that is profitable for the casinos/sites. That’s it.


And it feels more like it’s everyone agreeing on Cans value, BUT 2-3 people that think Cams value is much higher.

[codydaze]

You are right. It seems like OKC has been in all along.

https://www.si.com/nba/thunder/news/report-brooklyn-nets-covet-okc-thunder-rookie-in-potential-trade-talks-01jj7gjm9a4d

I don't think Sidery's reliable but the report is plausible.

Sidery has also been saying Nets and Kings are negotiating over pick protections but Marc Stein just said Kings are out on a Cam Johnson deal and the two haven't discussed a deal in weeks.

[Andre Roberstan]

You are right. It seems like OKC has been in all along.

https://www.si.com/nba/thunder/news/report-brooklyn-nets-covet-okc-thunder-rookie-in-potential-trade-talks-01jj7gjm9a4d

I don't think Sidery's reliable but the report is plausible.

Sidery has also been saying Nets and Kings are negotiating over pick protections but Marc Stein just said Kings are out on a Cam Johnson deal and the two haven't discussed a deal in weeks.

I was being charitable. Everyone I talk to who covers NBA thinks he has bad sources at best or makes things up out of whole cloth at worst.

[The Beam King]

I don't think Sidery's reliable but the report is plausible.

Sidery has also been saying Nets and Kings are negotiating over pick protections but Marc Stein just said Kings are out on a Cam Johnson deal and the two haven't discussed a deal in weeks.

I was being charitable. Everyone I talk to who covers NBA thinks he has bad sources at best or makes things up out of whole cloth at worst.

They all have sources. The fact is, consider their sources. They're pushing the narrative if their sources. Its vicarious public negotiations through reports. Sometimes it works. Often it doesn.t

[Andre Roberstan]

Sidery has also been saying Nets and Kings are negotiating over pick protections but Marc Stein just said Kings are out on a Cam Johnson deal and the two haven't discussed a deal in weeks.

I was being charitable. Everyone I talk to who covers NBA thinks he has bad sources at best or makes things up out of whole cloth at worst.

They all have sources. The fact is, consider their sources. They're pushing the narrative if their sources. Its vicarious public negotiations through reports. Sometimes it works. Often it doesn.t

For the better sourced ones it's agents and upper executives. For the worse sourced ones, it's scouts and secondary personnel. Plenty of people who like to talk, not many who are actually aware of what's happening.

Not all sources are pushing an agenda. Some are just talking.

[The Beam King]

I was being charitable. Everyone I talk to who covers NBA thinks he has bad sources at best or makes things up out of whole cloth at worst.

They all have sources. The fact is, consider their sources. They're pushing the narrative if their sources. Its vicarious public negotiations through reports. Sometimes it works. Often it doesn.t

For the better sourced ones it's agents and upper executives. For the worse sourced ones, it's scouts and secondary personnel. Plenty of people who like to talk, not many who are actually aware of what's happening.

Not all sources are pushing an agenda. Some are just talking.

technically that's an agenda. I just see the stalemate here.

Nets want 2 firsts. Kings willing to offer 1.

There is middle ground here. But I see thr. Negotiating what that middle ground is to make a deal. Whoever blinks first??? Or maybe the divide is actually too wide? Who knows.

[OxAndFox]

Do you think Cam Johnson might fit in well with Giannis or Luka? He is on a descending contract and the Nets have insane cap space. They do not need to trade him at all.

They’re all free agents at the same time. And Cam will have a large cap hold as a free agent that counts against cap space. If that’s Brooklyns plan, there’s no guarantee they can, or even would, try and keep Cam. Especially as Cam would be an unrestricted free agent and could sign with anyone.

Cue. It's a bold strategy Cotton.

[OxAndFox]

They all have sources. The fact is, consider their sources. They're pushing the narrative if their sources. Its vicarious public negotiations through reports. Sometimes it works. Often it doesn.t

For the better sourced ones it's agents and upper executives. For the worse sourced ones, it's scouts and secondary personnel. Plenty of people who like to talk, not many who are actually aware of what's happening.

Not all sources are pushing an agenda. Some are just talking.

technically that's an agenda. I just see the stalemate here.

Nets want 2 firsts. Kings willing to offer 1.

There is middle ground here. But I see thr. Negotiating what that middle ground is to make a deal. Whoever blinks first??? Or maybe the divide is actually too wide? Who knows.

I see it as being a Monte. As in this type of thing will go down in history and it will be called a "Monte"

How long have the Kings been in talks, been a favorite, been this and that, only to not get a deal done (and its because of low ball offers). That's a Monte. And the fans just go, well he was right there. We were in the bidding for X player, but Y team just had a better offer. Can't complain about that.

Now don't get me wrong, I am with him on this one, but his seat is only getting warmer by the game. Cam Johnson isn't the best target for this team, but he is the best player that is also a Monte player too. I would much prefer Collins, but heck, even Jerami Grant's valuation would have come down and I would prefer him than Cam and I hate the thought of giving something up for a guy that has mailed it in for losing teams since Denver.

[BoogieTime]

For the better sourced ones it's agents and upper executives. For the worse sourced ones, it's scouts and secondary personnel. Plenty of people who like to talk, not many who are actually aware of what's happening.

Not all sources are pushing an agenda. Some are just talking.

technically that's an agenda. I just see the stalemate here.

Nets want 2 firsts. Kings willing to offer 1.

There is middle ground here. But I see thr. Negotiating what that middle ground is to make a deal. Whoever blinks first??? Or maybe the divide is actually too wide? Who knows.

I see it as being a Monte. As in this type of thing will go down in history and it will be called a "Monte"

How long have the Kings been in talks, been a favorite, been this and that, only to not get a deal done (and its because of low ball offers). That's a Monte. And the fans just go, well he was right there. We were in the bidding for X player, but Y team just had a better offer. Can't complain about that.

Now don't get me wrong, I am with him on this one, but his seat is only getting warmer by the game. Cam Johnson isn't the best target for this team, but he is the best player that is also a Monte player too. I would much prefer Collins, but heck, even Jerami Grant's valuation would have come down and I would prefer him than Cam and I hate the thought of giving something up for a guy that has mailed it in for losing teams since Denver.

It’s not low ball offers. Trades will be done if they make value sense to the kings

Pascal shot down the deal, and Ainge hadn’t given an answer on time this last summer for markannen

[OxAndFox]

technically that's an agenda. I just see the stalemate here.

Nets want 2 firsts. Kings willing to offer 1.

There is middle ground here. But I see thr. Negotiating what that middle ground is to make a deal. Whoever blinks first??? Or maybe the divide is actually too wide? Who knows.

I see it as being a Monte. As in this type of thing will go down in history and it will be called a "Monte"

How long have the Kings been in talks, been a favorite, been this and that, only to not get a deal done (and its because of low ball offers). That's a Monte. And the fans just go, well he was right there. We were in the bidding for X player, but Y team just had a better offer. Can't complain about that.

Now don't get me wrong, I am with him on this one, but his seat is only getting warmer by the game. Cam Johnson isn't the best target for this team, but he is the best player that is also a Monte player too. I would much prefer Collins, but heck, even Jerami Grant's valuation would have come down and I would prefer him than Cam and I hate the thought of giving something up for a guy that has mailed it in for losing teams since Denver.

It’s not low ball offers. Trades will be done if they make value sense to the kings

Pascal shot down the deal, and Ainge hadn’t given an answer on time this last summer for markannen

Case in point right here. It's called a Monte. Hook Line & Sinker.

[Decipher]

Here is a word of caution you will ignore. A year ago at this time Nets fans were telling us 2 firsts for DFS. And we don't need to trade him for less because his wrist will heal, his shooting will return, and he's on a great contract, we will get our price in the off season.

And he returned zero firsts. Now I'm not saying Cam will be moved next season for a couple of 2nds, but values are never the pie in the sky that local bloggers/radio/twitter lead you to believe they are, but also returns aren't there for ever. His value is never going to be higher than right now. Teams get that extra playoff run out of him this year and he's careering. Something he's unlikely to replicate.

Very much danger in holding him.

The only risk to the Nets in holding him is that he suffers a career altering/ending injury

They’ll have a lot of cap space even if he’s retained

They already have a lot of draft assets

They’re tanking hard right now but there’s no suggestion that it’s a multi year process & actually need some players

Assuming that he stays healthy, they’ll get value for him next season and he’s got years left on a pretty good deal

[Papi_swav]

lol guys in here thinking a crappy protected 1st that might not even convey is fair value smh. Nets can just keep Cam for all that. Yea i get it, this might be his best career year and we gotta capitalize off of it but Cam is a player that fits anywhere and his skills will still be the same. He might be having the best year now but i don't see his numbers plummeting down the toilet next season or even after, maybe a little dip. We can just hold on to him and negotiate again in the summer, simple.

[Scoot McGroot]

I was being charitable. Everyone I talk to who covers NBA thinks he has bad sources at best or makes things up out of whole cloth at worst.

They all have sources. The fact is, consider their sources. They're pushing the narrative if their sources. Its vicarious public negotiations through reports. Sometimes it works. Often it doesn.t

For the better sourced ones it's agents and upper executives. For the worse sourced ones, it's scouts and secondary personnel. Plenty of people who like to talk, not many who are actually aware of what's happening.

Not all sources are pushing an agenda. Some are just talking.

And there are also all too many people who might have one guy they know (for example, Evan Sidery’s family lives in the same neighborhood as Chad Buchanan of the Pacers, so he’s known Chad for quite a few years at this point), and he might chat with that one source, but then they try and supplement it by interpreting what they read in the media as well.

For example, Sidery does a lot of “supposing” on his Twitter account, and tries to piece multiple rumors together to connect, but he reads his own interpretations into it, and sometimes just misses badly. We had this in Indy this summer when during cut downs, he published that Coke Swider had made the roster as the result of a different cut, and it meant nothing of the sort, as Swider was merely the next cut and the team went with 14.

[Scoot McGroot]

Here is a word of caution you will ignore. A year ago at this time Nets fans were telling us 2 firsts for DFS. And we don't need to trade him for less because his wrist will heal, his shooting will return, and he's on a great contract, we will get our price in the off season.

And he returned zero firsts. Now I'm not saying Cam will be moved next season for a couple of 2nds, but values are never the pie in the sky that local bloggers/radio/twitter lead you to believe they are, but also returns aren't there for ever. His value is never going to be higher than right now. Teams get that extra playoff run out of him this year and he's careering. Something he's unlikely to replicate.

Very much danger in holding him.

The only risk to the Nets in holding him is that he suffers a career altering/ending injury

They’ll have a lot of cap space even if he’s retained

They already have a lot of draft assets

They’re tanking hard right now but there’s no suggestion that it’s a multi year process & actually need some players

Assuming that he stays healthy, they’ll get value for him next season and he’s got years left on a pretty good deal

Generally, there’s more risks we can’t ignore, too. Injuries, yes. Cam has a repetitive history of missing a LOT of games every year, so injuries are always a risk. The bigger one though is that he reverts a bit back to his career averages, and this shows as just a hot streak of shooting. That he ends up valued as a good shooter instead of as a “great shooter” as Brooklyn is hoping to sell him as right now. But also, as Brooklyn waits, Cam will end up closer and closer to unrestricted free agency. A good player with 2.5 years left has more value than a good player with only 2, or 1.5 years remaining, or on and on.

If he stays healthy, he’ll hold his value the best, but he’ll still lose some value as teams will be trading for less control, and less “playoffs” and “training camps” to be able to utilize the player.

[The Beam King]

Here is a word of caution you will ignore. A year ago at this time Nets fans were telling us 2 firsts for DFS. And we don't need to trade him for less because his wrist will heal, his shooting will return, and he's on a great contract, we will get our price in the off season.

And he returned zero firsts. Now I'm not saying Cam will be moved next season for a couple of 2nds, but values are never the pie in the sky that local bloggers/radio/twitter lead you to believe they are, but also returns aren't there for ever. His value is never going to be higher than right now. Teams get that extra playoff run out of him this year and he's careering. Something he's unlikely to replicate.

Very much danger in holding him.

The only risk to the Nets in holding him is that he suffers a career altering/ending injury

They’ll have a lot of cap space even if he’s retained

They already have a lot of draft assets

They’re tanking hard right now but there’s no suggestion that it’s a multi year process & actually need some players

Assuming that he stays healthy, they’ll get value for him next season and he’s got years left on a pretty good deal

Markets are determined by supply and demand.

There is more risk than what you're describing. The market is what the market is right now.

You wait til summer and it a whole different market. Different supply. Different demand. Maybe it's better, maybe it's not. That's the risk.

Cam is probably one of the few top gets on the current t market. Putting the re s nerve at 2 1sts is probably not going to get many if any bids.

I think a single first can potentially get a deal done. However there is no guarantee of that going forward. It could go up(not likely) it could go down(possible) but I think the offers are roughly at what his actual market value is currently.

[BlazersBroncos]

Would hope if BRK and SAC are at an impasse the Blazers reach out and let it be know than Grant can be had much cheaper.

Grant for Huerter + Lyles + Top-20 Protected FRP.

[sackings916]

Would hope if BRK and SAC are at an impasse the Blazers reach out and let it be know than Grant can be had much cheaper.

Grant for Huerter + Lyles + Top-20 Protected FRP.

Grant to Sac doesn’t get talked about enough. Also have heard Sac likes Reath.

[BlazersBroncos]

Would hope if BRK and SAC are at an impasse the Blazers reach out and let it be know than Grant can be had much cheaper.

Grant for Huerter + Lyles + Top-20 Protected FRP.

Grant to Sac doesn’t get talked about enough. Also have heard Sac likes Reath.

Reath as a Vet Min guy can be absorbed for nothing in a seperate deal, unless I am mistaken.

Grant for Huerter + Lyles + 2027 FRP (Top-20 Protected / LP / 2 SRP)

Then Reath for 2026 SRP (Top-40 Protected - if not conveyed PDX gets cash)

G - De'Aaron Fox / Devin Carter / Jordan McLaughlin
G - Malik Monk / Keon Ellis / Colby Jones
F - Jerami Grant / Demar DeRozan / Doug McDermott
F - Keegan Murray / Demar DeRozan / Jae Crowder
C - Domantas Sabonis / Duop Reath / Alex Len

[Scoot McGroot]

Would hope if BRK and SAC are at an impasse the Blazers reach out and let it be know than Grant can be had much cheaper.

Grant for Huerter + Lyles + Top-20 Protected FRP.

Grant to Sac doesn’t get talked about enough. Also have heard Sac likes Reath.

Reath as a Vet Min guy can be absorbed for nothing in a seperate deal, unless I am mistaken.

Grant for Huerter + Lyles + 2027 FRP (Top-20 Protected / LP / 2 SRP)

Then Reath for 2026 SRP (Top-40 Protected - if not conveyed PDX gets cash)

G - De'Aaron Fox / Devin Carter / Jordan McLaughlin
G - Malik Monk / Keon Ellis / Colby Jones
F - Jerami Grant / Demar DeRozan / Doug McDermott
F - Keegan Murray / Demar DeRozan / Jae Crowder
C - Domantas Sabonis / Duop Reath / Alex Len

Yes, Reath can be absorbed via the vet minimum exception, but it doesn’t have to be via a separate trade. Each team in a trade call can arrange it as best fits their needs from their side.

[OGSactownballer]

Would hope if BRK and SAC are at an impasse the Blazers reach out and let it be know than Grant can be had much cheaper.

Grant for Huerter + Lyles + Top-20 Protected FRP.

You’re absolutely dreaming if you think that you get a first of any sort for Grant when we are literally taking in $110 million of the foolish contract your front office handed him.

Basically you are in the hook after this year for one year of Huerter at $18 million and he’s a moveable expiring.