2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0

[tecumseh18]

Dallas still has a tradeable 2025 first, and they just lost Lively. Poeltl for Kleber+? But with Dallas over the tax, it's actually hard to make a trade work, assuming they want to keep PJ Washington.

[Zeno]

Dallas still has a tradeable 2025 first, and they just lost Lively. Poeltl for Kleber+? But with Dallas over the tax, it's actually hard to make a trade work, assuming they want to keep PJ Washington.

Kleber, Exum, O-max for Chris, Davion works but I just don’t think they’d trade both O-max and a 1st just to get off Kleber and a minor upgrade. We’d need to love O-max as a prospect to do this for just a 2nd . Yak makes no sense for them because what are they doing with all of Gafford, Lively and him when they are all back healthy and none of them can play together.

[DreamTeam09]

Milwaukee - Jimmy + Orlando Robinson
Miami - Middleton + Bruce Brown + Boucher + 2027 + 2031 1st
Toronto - Duncan Robinson + Bobby Portis + Pat C + Tyler Smith + 2026 1st

Proposed via RR

[ForeverTFC]

I saw this trade over on Fanspo, and thought it was interesting:

Bruce Brown (and a 2nd) to Timberwolves, Hardaway Jr to Raptors (expiring) and our own 2025 2nd round pick (currently #33), and Randle to the Pistons.

We'd get a nice 2nd back (only a few picks lower than the Cavs pick that is rumoured to be included in the Butler trade, and less guaranteed salary), and keep our books clean.

I'd imagine we could make something similar work with a combination of Kelly, Davion, Boucher, as well if Brown is moved in a different trade. Timberwolves get cap flexibility, we get a pick, Pistons get the best player in the deal.

Just food for thought - that 2nd round pick might be more valuable than the first round pick up for grabs.

Why would the Pistons do this? They've finally learned that Cade needs shooters around him to succeed. Randle makes very little sense with Cade and the rest of the guys they have there.

[dagger]

Trade 1:
Boucher + Davion to Suns for Nurkic and a 2026 2nd round via DEN, or maybe that late 2027 pick they just acquired (prob not).
Suns reroute one or both of Boucher Davion to a 3rd team's TE/cap space to get out from the 2nd apron.

Trade 2:
Butler to the Suns
Beal and Brown to the Heat
Rozier, PHX 2031 (own), PHX 2031 2nd round (via DEN,) to the Raptors (for taking on Rozier's next year $25m expiring). Maybe PHX prefers to send one of their newly acquired low 1sts (prob the 2027 one) instead of their own 2nds. Fine. Beal would prob waive his NTC to go to MIA. The salaries SHOULD work once PHX gets out from the 2nd apron.

We give up Boucher, Davion and Brown to take on Nurkic and Rozier for 1 more year, getting paid 2026 DEN 2nd rounder, 2031 PHX 2nd, and 2031 DEN 2nd. Nurk and Rozier can be moved next year as expirings.

Just trying to find a way to insert ourselves into the rumoured PHX/MIA star swap. They need someone to help facilitate.

No, this is a boatload of future salary for minimal benefit. Check out the 25-26 money owing Rozier and Nurkic.

[CazOnReal]

In case the Butler deal falls through, here's another trade with Phoenix:

[Thaddy]

The Suns will struggle to off load Beal with the picks they acquired. That was a bad trade for them. If they offered all 3 for Poeltl to swap with Nurkic it would be something I'd take on.

We would still be bad and we could use him as a tank commander next year. It doesn't affect our finances either. We can re-sign Brown and Boucher and push it down the line.

[dagger]

In case the Butler deal falls through, here's another trade with Phoenix:

Why do we need Nurkic? Spending $19 million to buy the 30th pick in the draft is way too expensive.

[Psubs]

Why do we need Nurkic? Spending $19 million to buy the 30th pick in the draft is way too expensive.

Nurkic is decent and can allow to trade Olynyk and Poeltl.

[gerrit4]

I saw this trade over on Fanspo, and thought it was interesting:

Bruce Brown (and a 2nd) to Timberwolves, Hardaway Jr to Raptors (expiring) and our own 2025 2nd round pick (currently #33), and Randle to the Pistons.

We'd get a nice 2nd back (only a few picks lower than the Cavs pick that is rumoured to be included in the Butler trade, and less guaranteed salary), and keep our books clean.

I'd imagine we could make something similar work with a combination of Kelly, Davion, Boucher, as well if Brown is moved in a different trade. Timberwolves get cap flexibility, we get a pick, Pistons get the best player in the deal.

Just food for thought - that 2nd round pick might be more valuable than the first round pick up for grabs.

Why would the Pistons do this? They've finally learned that Cade needs shooters around him to succeed. Randle makes very little sense with Cade and the rest of the guys they have there.

Valid point. I guess I'd argue that it would be adding an all-star type of player for pennies on the dollar, and giving them a chance to kick the tires and see if they'd want to pay him in the summer. But yeah, this seems to me like a move similar to Westbrook to Lakers, Gay to Raptors etc., where the pieces don't really fit.

[YogurtProducer]

Why do we need Nurkic? Spending $19 million to buy the 30th pick in the draft is way too expensive.

Nurkic is decent and can allow to trade Olynyk and Poeltl.

HE has been bad this year though

[ontnut]

Trade 1:
Boucher + Davion to Suns for Nurkic and a 2026 2nd round via DEN, or maybe that late 2027 pick they just acquired (prob not).
Suns reroute one or both of Boucher Davion to a 3rd team's TE/cap space to get out from the 2nd apron.

Trade 2:
Butler to the Suns
Beal and Brown to the Heat
Rozier, PHX 2031 (own), PHX 2031 2nd round (via DEN,) to the Raptors (for taking on Rozier's next year $25m expiring). Maybe PHX prefers to send one of their newly acquired low 1sts (prob the 2027 one) instead of their own 2nds. Fine. Beal would prob waive his NTC to go to MIA. The salaries SHOULD work once PHX gets out from the 2nd apron.

We give up Boucher, Davion and Brown to take on Nurkic and Rozier for 1 more year, getting paid 2026 DEN 2nd rounder, 2031 PHX 2nd, and 2031 DEN 2nd. Nurk and Rozier can be moved next year as expirings.

Just trying to find a way to insert ourselves into the rumoured PHX/MIA star swap. They need someone to help facilitate.

No, this is a boatload of future salary for minimal benefit. Check out the 25-26 money owing Rozier and Nurkic.

Yeah I didn't love the trade, but it was an idea to at least get something for our expiring guys, and roll over some potential assets to next year. I get that Nurk and Rozier are making a lot, but as expiring contracts next year (and assuming we're still in tanking mode), we could maybe get a couple more 2nds for them down the line, or just let them expire. Tax and salary doesn't really matter that much insofar as we're not projecting to be a tax team after they expire anyway. If we manage to pull 4-5 2nds out of it all, it might be a worthy exercise.

[ontnut]

Trade 1:
Boucher + Davion to Suns for Nurkic and a 2026 2nd round via DEN, or maybe that late 2027 pick they just acquired (prob not).
Suns reroute one or both of Boucher Davion to a 3rd team's TE/cap space to get out from the 2nd apron.

Trade 2:
Butler to the Suns
Beal and Brown to the Heat
Rozier, PHX 2031 (own), PHX 2031 2nd round (via DEN,) to the Raptors (for taking on Rozier's next year $25m expiring). Maybe PHX prefers to send one of their newly acquired low 1sts (prob the 2027 one) instead of their own 2nds. Fine. Beal would prob waive his NTC to go to MIA. The salaries SHOULD work once PHX gets out from the 2nd apron.

We give up Boucher, Davion and Brown to take on Nurkic and Rozier for 1 more year, getting paid 2026 DEN 2nd rounder, 2031 PHX 2nd, and 2031 DEN 2nd. Nurk and Rozier can be moved next year as expirings.

Just trying to find a way to insert ourselves into the rumoured PHX/MIA star swap. They need someone to help facilitate.

I get where you're coming from, but that would be taking on $40 Mill in salary next year for a few future seconds, for two positions we already have full in our rotation. With potentially a top 5 pick, as well as Scottie's extension kicking in, that would put us into the tax next season with a crappy team, and only a few future 2nd round picks to show for it. My guess is that our front office would rather just have the cap flexibility of our own expiring contracts over a few 2nds. We managed to get 3 second round picks this past summer without really giving up anything.

Now if we were also trading away Jakob in a separate move, I could see us wanting Nurkic as a stopgap starting 5.

Yeah for sure, I'm not even thinking about positions at this point, just thinking about getting some return for our expirings, and potentially rolling it over to next year, where maybe we again can get a pick or two for Rozier/Nurk.

I'd have put in one of those 1st rounders PHX recently acquired, but tbh, I think I'd rather have a high 2nd than the guaranteed money 29th pick.

[Psubs]

Trade 1:
Boucher + Davion to Suns for Nurkic and a 2026 2nd round via DEN, or maybe that late 2027 pick they just acquired (prob not).
Suns reroute one or both of Boucher Davion to a 3rd team's TE/cap space to get out from the 2nd apron.

Trade 2:
Butler to the Suns
Beal and Brown to the Heat
Rozier, PHX 2031 (own), PHX 2031 2nd round (via DEN,) to the Raptors (for taking on Rozier's next year $25m expiring). Maybe PHX prefers to send one of their newly acquired low 1sts (prob the 2027 one) instead of their own 2nds. Fine. Beal would prob waive his NTC to go to MIA. The salaries SHOULD work once PHX gets out from the 2nd apron.

We give up Boucher, Davion and Brown to take on Nurkic and Rozier for 1 more year, getting paid 2026 DEN 2nd rounder, 2031 PHX 2nd, and 2031 DEN 2nd. Nurk and Rozier can be moved next year as expirings.

Just trying to find a way to insert ourselves into the rumoured PHX/MIA star swap. They need someone to help facilitate.

I get where you're coming from, but that would be taking on $40 Mill in salary next year for a few future seconds, for two positions we already have full in our rotation. With potentially a top 5 pick, as well as Scottie's extension kicking in, that would put us into the tax next season with a crappy team, and only a few future 2nd round picks to show for it. My guess is that our front office would rather just have the cap flexibility of our own expiring contracts over a few 2nds. We managed to get 3 second round picks this past summer without really giving up anything.

Now if we were also trading away Jakob in a separate move, I could see us wanting Nurkic as a stopgap starting 5.

Yeah for sure, I'm not even thinking about positions at this point, just thinking about getting some return for our expirings, and potentially rolling it over to next year, where maybe we again can get a pick or two for Rozier/Nurk.

I'd have put in one of those 1st rounders PHX recently acquired, but tbh, I think I'd rather have a high 2nd than the guaranteed money 29th pick.

Raptors aren't a tax team. Would rather grab a player 7 spots ahead. Also have control of the player for more years. Most 2nds would be 3 year deals anyways.

Might need that spot to secure a player like Sergio de Larrea. Can always let him stay in Europe for 1 more year until there is roster space for him.

[Morris_Shatford]

I assumed we would be wildly speculating on the Jimmy / Butler being the fourth team on the deal;

Assuming Phoenix gets Jimmy
The Bucks get Beal
Middleton needs to go somewhere
The Suns have 3x crappy FRPs
and we have expiring Brown, Boucher, and Mitchell.

What goes where and how?

[causal_fan]

I would love the Raptors to get back their 2nd pick from Detroit

[CazOnReal]

Why do we need Nurkic? Spending $19 million to buy the 30th pick in the draft is way too expensive.

Nurkic is decent and can allow to trade Olynyk and Poeltl.

HE has been bad this year though

He's been bad for years now (Since 2022), this is pretty much a salary dump

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I would love the Raptors to get back their 2nd pick from Detroit

We already have Portland pick which is not too far off from our pick.
We should be targeting a pick in the mid teens

[dagger]

The Athletic's Vecenie has an interesting mock draft narrative up today in which he says that overall, the draft isn't shaping up as the epic one people thought, but rather an average one, better than last year, but not as good as 2021. Lots of candidates who have athleticism but lack skills, a few great defenders who lack offensive chops, offensive stars who have significant gaps in their overall play, promising players who haven't established any consistency from game to game, etc. The bigs are starting to assert themselves, guards have a lot of potential, the quality of the wings is less certain.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I assumed we would be wildly speculating on the Jimmy / Butler being the fourth team on the deal;

Assuming Phoenix gets Jimmy
The Bucks get Beal
Middleton needs to go somewhere
The Suns have 3x crappy FRPs
and we have expiring Brown, Boucher, and Mitchell.

What goes where and how?

ultimately this is the deal with middleton going to miami.
if we can be the facilitator team, that's good for us maybe getting frp in 2027/2029.
that way we have 2 picks in 2026 and 2027 either to draft or trade.