Scoot Henderson

[JRoy]

Simons is bottom tier defense and has been every year he’s been in the league.

He ought to be a 6th man on team with the defense to hide his suckage on that end and in need of his shooting. ORL would be a solid fit.

[clyde21]

I am down on Scoot more than most Blazer fans.

I still hate the pick but there has been some improvement.

A Scoot/Simons back court should in theory mesh really well. Especially if Scoot decides to tap into his considerable athleticism and play elite defense. Simons shooting can balance Scoot's lack of it and Scoot's abilities should get Simons wide open shots.

Theoretically.

meh, I'd rather some one longer and less on-ball next to Scoot, not a fan of that fit at all. i think Portland should just fully hand the keys to Scoot, sink or swim.

btw, Scoot is averaging 10 assists per 100, Simons is at 7 per 100. Simons is an off-guard masquaring as a PG, Scoot has the potential to be a true on-ball guard.

[babyjax13]

I am down on Scoot more than most Blazer fans.

I still hate the pick but there has been some improvement.

A Scoot/Simons back court should in theory mesh really well. Especially if Scoot decides to tap into his considerable athleticism and play elite defense. Simons shooting can balance Scoot's lack of it and Scoot's abilities should get Simons wide open shots.

Theoretically.

meh, I'd rather some one longer and less on-ball next to Scoot, not a fan of that fit at all. i think Portland should just fully hand the keys to Scoot, sink or swim.

Scoot - Sharpe is a better pairing that might work long term, especially w/Avdija at the 3 or 4.

[Slim Charless]

A Scoot/Simons back court should in theory mesh really well. Especially if Scoot decides to tap into his considerable athleticism and play elite defense. Simons shooting can balance Scoot's lack of it and Scoot's abilities should get Simons wide open shots.

Theoretically.

meh, I'd rather some one longer and less on-ball next to Scoot, not a fan of that fit at all. i think Portland should just fully hand the keys to Scoot, sink or swim.

Scoot - Sharpe is a better pairing that might work long term, especially w/Avdija at the 3 or 4.

Shooting .313 from three? That's sounds like a recipe for trouble.

I'm not saying that Simons is a perfect pairing now. I'm saying that if he (Scoot) plays into his athleticism and uses it for defense as well as driving to the hoop...then Simons wouldn't be a bad partner with his ability to shoot lights out on any given night.

Scoot would more own lanes to drive and Simons would get more open looks. In theory, at least.

[Braggins]

The issue with Scoot/Simons is on defense. They fit just fine on offense, but you generally don't want to be starting two players that are 6'3" or shorter together for defensive reasons. Simons has never been good enough to where youd want to accommodate a situation like that for him.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Stop victimizing yourself like a loser. Of course people are gonna come after you after Scoot plays well, because you've made it point to bump this thread every time he doesn't

btw, Scoot's shooting better than Miller on the season

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Look who made an appearance as well as he has avoided this thread for 14 months. Bumbass lol

What you don't seem to understand is that it's only a few of you guys who feel the need to victory lap so early in a guy's career. The rest of us are just giving them time to actually develop into what they're going to be. I really urge you to think hard about how you go about doing this. People keep having to explain to you over and over again the errors in your ways. Why not just listen?

rings hollow and disingenuous when you all go out of your way to to declare a whole draft class one of the weakest ever before they even set foot in the NBA.

[EvanZ]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Look who made an appearance as well as he has avoided this thread for 14 months. Bumbass lol

What you don't seem to understand is that it's only a few of you guys who feel the need to victory lap so early in a guy's career. The rest of us are just giving them time to actually develop into what they're going to be. I really urge you to think hard about how you go about doing this. People keep having to explain to you over and over again the errors in your ways. Why not just listen?

rings hollow and disingenuous when you all go out of your way to to declare a whole draft class one of the weakest ever before they even set foot in the NBA.

Bro you are clueless about the draft process. The fact that you still defend 2024 as a good class is laughable.

[JMAC3]

What you don't seem to understand is that it's only a few of you guys who feel the need to victory lap so early in a guy's career. The rest of us are just giving them time to actually develop into what they're going to be. I really urge you to think hard about how you go about doing this. People keep having to explain to you over and over again the errors in your ways. Why not just listen?

rings hollow and disingenuous when you all go out of your way to to declare a whole draft class one of the weakest ever before they even set foot in the NBA.

Bro you are clueless about the draft process. The fact that you still defend 2024 as a good class is laughable.

Whether it is a good class or not, this is a good point. You calling it bad immediately goes against your "You have to give everyone 4 years before you can even judge them a little".

Really what it is, the guys you like deserve 4 years to prove you right, until then everyone can't say anything. If you don't like someone it is fine to judge them early... ala this years class.

[clyde21]

nobody is going into any of the 24 class prospect threads and bumping them every time a player has a bad game like you lot are doing to Scoot. or else you'd see Holland's thread at the top of this board every day.

[azcatz11]

This must be the most entertaining thread I’ve read on here in some time

[JMAC3]

This must be the most entertaining thread I’ve read on here in some time

Nothing like a good 5 game stretch to bring out the guys who DONT victory lap.

Sorry couldn't help myself.

[EvanZ]

rings hollow and disingenuous when you all go out of your way to to declare a whole draft class one of the weakest ever before they even set foot in the NBA.

Bro you are clueless about the draft process. The fact that you still defend 2024 as a good class is laughable.

Whether it is a good class or not, this is a good point. You calling it bad immediately goes against your "You have to give everyone 4 years before you can even judge them a little".

The NBA...shocker...is a different league. Prospects enter the NBA and play with grown men, most of the stars are in their physical prime of their career. Prospects can't get by on physical dominance anymore and they have to adjust to the style of play, level of talent, new systems, etc. It seems that in addition to your epic lap taking proclivities, you also don't understand the time it takes most prospects to transition to professional players.

But it actually makes sense that you expect players to be fully formed in their rookie season at age 19. That's why it is apparently so shocking to your system when a player "magically" improves over time. Sadly, most of the rest of us out here understand development curves. And when we evaluate prospects we already take into account that they are not fully formed. We don't evaluate 18-year olds on the same absolute scale as 22-year olds. Or 28 year olds. I can't imagine doing it your way, but it is probably more reflective of draft casuals in the media and elsewhere among fans. Maybe you'll get it one day when you are in your late 20's.

[EvanZ]

This must be the most entertaining thread I’ve read on here in some time

Nothing like a good 5 game stretch to bring out the guys who DONT victory lap.

Sorry couldn't help myself.

His full season stats are significantly improved over his rookie season. But you know that, of course. It's why you've been silent since November.

[JMAC3]

Bro you are clueless about the draft process. The fact that you still defend 2024 as a good class is laughable.

Whether it is a good class or not, this is a good point. You calling it bad immediately goes against your "You have to give everyone 4 years before you can even judge them a little".

The NBA...shocker...is a different league. Prospects enter the NBA and play with grown men, most of the stars are in their physical prime of their career. Prospects can't get by on physical dominance anymore and they have to adjust to the style of play, level of talent, new systems, etc. It seems that in addition to your epic lap taking proclivities, you also don't understand the time it takes most prospects to transition to professional players.

But it actually makes sense that you expect players to be fully formed in their rookie season at age 19. That's why it is apparently so shocking to your system when a player "magically" improves over time. Sadly, most of the rest of us out here understand development curves. And when we evaluate prospects we already take into account that they are not fully formed. We don't evaluate 18-year olds on the same absolute scale as 22-year olds. Or 28 year olds. I can't imagine doing it your way, but it is probably more reflective of draft casuals in the media and elsewhere among fans. Maybe you'll get it one day when you are in your late 20's.

Right, if that is your logic then stick with it. I am just saying why is that not the case with the 2024 draft if that is your logic. I think that is what FarBeyondDriven was also hinting at. Like if we need to wait 4 years for guys like Scoot, Goga etc to develop before we evaluate them. Why would it not be the same for guys that were just drafted?

The only logical reasoning one can come to is because EvanZ likes those guys and doesn't like the other guys so they aren't the same situation. Which would go against everything you have been preaching. That is all, just seems like you pick and choose.

[JMAC3]

Yeah keep deflecting haha

Anyways, I doubt he will go below 3 in the draft because front offices will be too pressured to take him.

not deflecting anything, I'm just shocked you have him 5th despite your criticisms of his size, scoring ability, finishing, defense and while thinking he's an overstated athlete.

This may shock you, but you can think he isn't the same level of athlete as Ja Morant and still think he is above average athlete.

If someone tried to tell me Taylor Hendricks was Jayson Tatum I am allowed to disagree and still have him as a top 10 prospect too.

I had Scoot behind Wemby, Miller, Amen and Ausar. So still had him 5th and people were in an outrage for me addressing concerns I had him with going in the top 3. You can go read the thread/ or messages above where I was mocked for these concerns.

His "elite" athleticism/Finishing - As mentioned this has been a big issue, it has improved this year some but still a 8th percentile finisher inside of 5 ft which is bad. Hard to say that concern was invalid thus far.

His size/defense - He was a 1 percentile defender last year, up to 3% this year. In the convo for worst defensive player in the league by those numbers.

His shooting- Although the 3 ball has been fine, he was 4th percentile in efg% last year, up to 22th percentile this year. Both still terrible numbers.

Gleague competition- Didn't think him putting up decent numbers in the GLeague mattered, also didn't think it gave him any advantage over traditional college players heading into the league. The Ignite has since been abolished.

So yeah, I feel pretty validated for the reasons I was down on him, because the stats are backing up a lot of the concerns I had pre-draft. I wasn't just down on him for nor reason or because I didn't like his name. I also feel pretty great about the guys I had listed above him and would still rather have Wemby, Miller, Amen and Ausar than Scoot today.

[clyde21]

Lmao you people are hilarious. You've been talking **** about Scoot for over a fkn year, literally puffing your chests after every bad game, now all the sudden he's in your top 5?

so how does that work? if he plays good it's "well he was always in in my top 5" but if he's crappy you still reserve the right to flex nuts?

[JMAC3]

Lmao you people are hilarious. You've been talking **** about Scoot for over a fkn year, literally puffing your chests after every bad game, now all the sudden he's in your top 5?

so how does that work? if he plays good it's "well he was always in in my top 5" but if he's crappy you still reserve the right to flex nuts?

There is no all of a sudden. Do you know how to read? I quoted the message above where you tried to mock me about having him 5th listing out my concerns as if they were terrible...

but see you glazed right over that because it shows how right I was and you will continue to ignore that. Just like you ignored this thread for 12 months until Scoot had a good week of games.

[clyde21]

Lmao you people are hilarious. You've been talking **** about Scoot for over a fkn year, literally puffing your chests after every bad game, now all the sudden he's in your top 5?

so how does that work? if he plays good it's "well he was always in in my top 5" but if he's crappy you still reserve the right to flex nuts?

There is no all of a sudden. Do you know how to read? I quoted the message above where you tried to mock me about having him 5th listing out my concerns as if they were terrible...

but see you glazed right over that because it shows how right I was and you will continue to ignore that. Just like you ignored this thread for 12 months until Scoot had a good week of games.

lol dog, i didn't come in here to point out Scoot's good games, I came in here to laugh at you after you came running when someone else did. i don't need to go to individual players threads after every good or bad game, regardless of how I felt about them previous. that's seems more like your gig.

[JMAC3]

Lmao you people are hilarious. You've been talking **** about Scoot for over a fkn year, literally puffing your chests after every bad game, now all the sudden he's in your top 5?

so how does that work? if he plays good it's "well he was always in in my top 5" but if he's crappy you still reserve the right to flex nuts?

There is no all of a sudden. Do you know how to read? I quoted the message above where you tried to mock me about having him 5th listing out my concerns as if they were terrible...

but see you glazed right over that because it shows how right I was and you will continue to ignore that. Just like you ignored this thread for 12 months until Scoot had a good week of games.

lol dog, i didn't come in here to point out Scoot's good games, I came in here to laugh at you after you came running when someone else did. i don't need to go to individual players threads after every good or bad game, regardless of how I felt about them previous. that's seems more like your gig.

This has nothing to do with what I just said... Clear you don't want to acknowledge what was said in the quoted message.

You are good at running from the conversations that you don't want to have.

[Big J]

...and he's back to sucking ass again. Probably another year before I see a lot of y'all back in here.