Lopez to Pistons, RW III to Bucks, THJ to Blazers

Bentley1225 · Post #1 » by **Bentley1225** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:37 pm

Ill offer this idea for:
-Pistons add more frontcourt depth with Lopez
-Bucks get under second apron and then some by swapping Lopez for RWII
-Blazers clear up glut of bigs as they clear more money off books for off-season

To Detroit
-Brook Lopez (1 year, $23 million)

To Milwaukee
-Robert Williams III (2 years, $25.7 million)

To Portland
-Tim Hardaway Jr. (1 year, $16.2 million)

Why?
-Pistons add more frontcourt depth for playoff run in swapping expiring contracts
-Bucks get far enough under 2nd apron to aggregate salaries for a bigger deal ie. Butler
-Blazers clear up glut of bigs by getting an expiring contract for greater off-season flexibility

Post #2 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:40 pm

I feel like the Bucks are owed value here. You can't trust RW3 to stay healthy. He is, by far, the inferior player. Maybe that value is absorbing Pat Conaughton, or maybe it's adding second round picks, but it needs something.

I don't really get it for Portland, either. It seems like they're selling kinda low.

JRoy · Post #3 » by **JRoy** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:41 pm

This values RW as a dump.

Pass for POR.

Post #4 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:44 pm

this is a couple of deals now by you OP where you are valuing Lopez at basically neutral. I don't believe that to be right. I know some here focus on age, but what matters is play. And he's still very good. He can get better than just some this year salary relief in the form of a much worse player, who can't log as many minutes or play as many games and can't space for Giannis. And who then sits as a drag on the books next year. Just feels like a total non-starter.

The Blazers don't need to shed his money for next year, but I think they might as well. Ayton will still be there as well as the center they actually care about. Williams has no real place.

Detroit just giggles at their amazing fortune here and thanks Timmy for his service.

Post #5 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:52 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:this is a couple of deals now by you OP where you are valuing Lopez at basically neutral. I don't believe that to be right. I know some here focus on age, but what matters is play. And he's still very good. He can get better than just some this year salary relief in the form of a much worse player, who can't log as many minutes or play as many games and can't space for Giannis. And who then sits as a drag on the books next year. Just feels like a total non-starter.

The Blazers don't need to shed his money for next year, but I think they might as well. Ayton will still be there as well as the center they actually care about. Williams has no real place.

Detroit just giggles at their amazing fortune here and thanks Timmy for his service.

Your Blazers take seems off to me. Yes, they should move him but he has to have more value than this.

Myth · Post #6 » by **Myth** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:53 pm

Does this push Portland into the tax this year? I want to say they are something like $3.6M below, but this is just off the top of my head. But if so, this is an absolutely not. Even if it doesn't, I still don't like it. I think THJ creates more of a minutes problem at SG than RWIII does at C. I also value RWIII more than just trying to dump him for an expiring (an expensive expiring at that). Blazers would need to send out more money now, and I'd still want 2nds for this swap.

SA37 · Post #7 » by **SA37** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:02 pm

BBallFreak wrote:I feel like the Bucks are owed value here. You can't trust RW3 to stay healthy. He is, by far, the inferior player. Maybe that value is absorbing Pat Conaughton, or maybe it's adding second round picks, but it needs something.

I don't really get it for Portland, either. It seems like they're selling kinda low.

In a normal world, Williams would currently have no value.

Miami fans have had to suffer Boston fans telling us how the "Time Lord" was going to destroy Miami. He's never played over 30mpg in any season, he's played a total of 209 games over ~6 1/2 seasons, which comes out to roughly 32 games per season. :lol:

And all this for ~7pts 7reb and 1-2 blocks per game? Insanity.

Post #8 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:08 pm

SA37 wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:I feel like the Bucks are owed value here. You can't trust RW3 to stay healthy. He is, by far, the inferior player. Maybe that value is absorbing Pat Conaughton, or maybe it's adding second round picks, but it needs something.

I don't really get it for Portland, either. It seems like they're selling kinda low.

In a normal world, Williams would currently have no value.

Miami fans have had to suffer Boston fans telling us how the "Time Lord" was going to destroy Miami. He's never played over 30mpg in any season, he's played a total of 209 games over ~6 1/2 seasons, which comes out to roughly 32 games per season.

And all this for ~7pts 7reb and 1-2 blocks per game? Insanity.

Boston fans used to say Theiss was better than Bam. That doesn't count.

The fact is, in the limited time he plays, Timelord actually is a good player, but I do get your point.

LaSheed · Post #9 » by **LaSheed** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:11 pm

I'd love to have Lopez but Lopez/Duren/Stewart is a too much and I don't see us moving off of Duren or Stewart yet.

Post #10 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:13 pm

He is fine when he plays. But he doesn't play enough. I think an expiring or a similar 2 year deal with a 2nd or two is really his value. I know some think he might even return a heavily protected first.

But this deadline will tell us for sure. Because if he doesn't move its because I'm right and Portland decides they'd rather have the insurance/mentoring(Blazer fans talk about him doing this) than just clear the money. But they are never keeping him over getting real value of any kind because he's out of place on a team with a max guy and a mid lotto pick at his position.

Post #11 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:14 pm

LaSheed wrote:I'd love to have Lopez but Lopez/Duren/Stewart is a too much and I don't see us moving off of Duren or Stewart yet.

I get that, but this is like free money here. You'd just forward him on for picks and expiring value. The probably thing is you could get a player of Hardaway's caliber and a late first for him.

Bentley1225 · Post #12 » by **Bentley1225** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:14 pm

JRoy wrote:This values RW as a dump.

Pass for POR.

Blazers currently have $58 million next season allocated to 4 players who can play the 5. Just seem inevitable to me they deal RWIII as Ayton has negative value whereas RWIII has more neutral value.

Bentley1225 · Post #13 » by **Bentley1225** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:18 pm

LaSheed wrote:I'd love to have Lopez but Lopez/Duren/Stewart is a too much and I don't see us moving off of Duren or Stewart yet.

I guess I thought Stewart could play the 4 to compliment Lopez at the 5 off the bench with a high level minutes allocation framework below.

Harris (28mpg)/ Stewart (20mpg)
Duren (26 mpg)/ Lopez (22 mpg)

Bentley1225 · Post #14 » by **Bentley1225** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:25 pm

BBallFreak wrote:I feel like the Bucks are owed value here. You can't trust RW3 to stay healthy. He is, by far, the inferior player. Maybe that value is absorbing Pat Conaughton, or maybe it's adding second round picks, but it needs something.

I don't really get it for Portland, either. It seems like they're selling kinda low.

Obviously this deal is to open the door for Milwaukee to make an offer for Jimmy based on your impression that Middleton/Portis/2031 1st offer ideally suits Miami.

Billl · Post #15 » by **Billl** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:38 pm

Bentley1225 wrote:
LaSheed wrote:I'd love to have Lopez but Lopez/Duren/Stewart is a too much and I don't see us moving off of Duren or Stewart yet.

I guess I thought Stewart could play the 4 to compliment Lopez at the 5 off the bench with a high level minutes allocation framework below.

Harris (28mpg)/ Stewart (20mpg)
Duren (26 mpg)/ Lopez (22 mpg)

Stewart is a 5. We spent all last year trying to have him play at the 4 and it really took away from his ability to impact the game. Maybe he gets spot minutes there against some bigger lineups, but realistically, almost the entire league is playing perimeter oriented 4's now.

LaSheed · Post #16 » by **LaSheed** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:45 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
LaSheed wrote:I'd love to have Lopez but Lopez/Duren/Stewart is a too much and I don't see us moving off of Duren or Stewart yet.

I get that, but this is like free money here. You'd just forward him on for picks and expiring value. The probably thing is you could get a player of Hardaway's caliber and a late first for him.

Well certainly didn't look at it from that perspective so I'd be open to something like that if that were to be the case.

tmorgan · Post #17 » by **tmorgan** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:53 pm

Detroit does this, even adding a second or two… if we have the second/third trade lined up to get a some kind of 1st for Lopez and trade for another shooter. Timmy’s done well here.

cucad8 · Post #18 » by **cucad8** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:54 pm

Would a Lopez-Stewart swap between Detroit and Milwaukee directly make more sense?

Detroit gets a vet for playoff push, and opens even more slave in the offseason. Milwaukee gets under the 2nd apron to do follow up deals, and finds a replacement C

tmorgan · Post #19 » by **tmorgan** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:59 pm

cucad8 wrote:Would a Lopez-Stewart swap between Detroit and Milwaukee directly make more sense?

Detroit gets a vet for playoff push, and opens even more slave in the offseason. Milwaukee gets under the 2nd apron to do follow up deals, and finds a replacement C

Detroit’s not interested in trading Stewart for Lopez, no. He’s our second-in-command in the locker room, signed long term, really good defensive presence. Yeah, Lopez is a better offensive player, even at almost 37, but that’s seriously short term thinking for team that needs to think about the future.

JRoy · Post #20 » by **JRoy** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 4:01 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
LaSheed wrote:I'd love to have Lopez but Lopez/Duren/Stewart is a too much and I don't see us moving off of Duren or Stewart yet.

I get that, but this is like free money here. You'd just forward him on for picks and expiring value. The probably thing is you could get a player of Hardaway's caliber and a late first for him.

Not sure I agree.

If that was Hardaways value wouldn’t DET have moved him for that by now?

Maybe DET likes him.