Wiggins to Pistons, Brown to SAC, Huerter to GSW.....

[Bentley1225]

Ill offer this idea for:
-Pistons to leverage cap flexibility to add a starting wing and get a 1st
-Kings look to add a defensive/versatile piece on perimeter in Brown
-Warriors look to get out of tax apron given theyre under .500 half way through season
-Raptors leverage cap flexibility to get back 2nds for Brown

To Detroit (Trade THJ, Fontecchio, 2nd)
-Andrew Wiggins (2 years, $54.5 million plus $30 million player option)
-2031 Golden State 1st round pick (1-7 protected or 2031 2nd)

To Sacrameto (Trade Hurter, 2nds)
-Bruce Brown (1 year, $23 million)

To Golden State (Trade Wiggins, 1st)
-Kevin Huerter (2 years, $34.2 million)
-2028 Kings 2nd round pick
-2031 Pistons 2nd round pick

To Toronto (Trade Brown, waive Temple)
-Tim Hardaway Jr. (1 year, $16.2 million)
-Simone Fontecchio (2 years, $16 million)
-2026 Kings 2nd round pick

Why?
-The Pistons add a wing still in his prime for duration of his contract who can start as given the money they take on, the get back a distant 1st
-The Kings get a more defensive minded permieter piece to compliment Monk at the 2 as the Kings get off-season cap flexiblity at expense of 2 2nds
-The Warriors get out of tax short term and get out of the $30 million player option in 2027 off-season in swapping WIggins/protected 1st for Hueter and 2nds
-The Raptors go 2 for one in swapping out Brown for THJ and adding SF as the Raps get back a 2nd given the Fontecchioo cap hut for next season. They could further flip THJ at TD for another 2nd.

[daoneandonly]

I cant see those seconds getting Sac out from under Huerter while getting the better player

[Bentley1225]

I cant see those seconds getting Sac out from under Huerter while getting the better player

But they take on approx $6.5 million greater cap hit immediately.

[NW]

Warriors aren’t trading Wiggins to get under the tax apron. GP2 or Looney maybe should all hope be lost for the season, but not Wiggins

[Texas Chuck]

Wiggins is not a bad contract needing a first to dump, made worse by giving GSW an actual bad contract in Huerter. Detroit just stealing value from GSW. Warriors never consider this. So it dies there.

[Bentley1225]

Warriors aren’t trading Wiggins to get under the tax apron. GP2 or Looney maybe should all hope be lost for the season, but not Wiggins

The deal saves Warriors approx $18 million between tax bill savings/cap reduction and gets them out of the $30 million player option for ''27-28 to Wiggins when they will likely be re-tooling or re-buildng once Curry is no longer under contract. It depends what direction Dunleavy is anticipating going between now and start of off-season when the Warriors are under .500 with less than 50% of season left to play.

[Bentley1225]

Wiggins is not a bad contract needing a first to dump, made worse by giving GSW an actual bad contract in Huerter. Detroit just stealing value from GSW. Warriors never consider this. So it dies there.

Then the Warriors could increase protection on the 2031 1st sending Detroit (ie. 1-20 protected instead of 1-7 protected) assuming Warriors get back at least a 2nd round pick as originally outlined.

[pillwenney]

Can't say the Kings don't do it as it's a good deal for them, but it's certainly not where their priority is right now. We need frontcourt depth.

[hugepatsfan]

As others have mentioned, GSW can get under the tax without giving up a 1st rounder for a worse player like this.

The Warriors are currently $36.0M below the luxury tax for next year. That's with 9 players signed, not including Kuminga so if they re-sign him and use their MLE they're probably over the tax and pushing aprons. Huerter makes about $10.2M less than Wiggins next year. I guess, maybe if GSW views this is as a sunken season and they think they need some extra financial flexibility next year, I could see them making the swap straight up to get ahead of their offseason. Downgrade on the court maybe to set their cap sheet up a bit better next year depending on what they want to do. No way they attach picks to swap a 2 year deal for a clearly lesser player also on a 2 year deal since they aren't in dire luxury tax situation for either year without other alternatives to cut costs if they need to.

[Texas Chuck]

Wiggins is not a bad contract needing a first to dump, made worse by giving GSW an actual bad contract in Huerter. Detroit just stealing value from GSW. Warriors never consider this. So it dies there.

Then the Warriors could increase protection on the 2031 1st sending Detroit (ie. 1-20 protected instead of 1-7 protected) assuming Warriors get back at least a 2nd round pick as originally outlined.

This doesn't solve any of it. You have them giving up the better player and the best asset. Why would they do this? If they want to shed money they have a lot of dead weight they could move and cheaper.

Sorry this one is just a miss mate.

[gswhoops]

Yeah as TC and others have pointed out GS is giving up the best player and the best asset here. Not salvageable from our perspective.

Also, we can't trade our 2031 1st because we traded our 2030 1st to Washington in the Poole/CP3 deal.

[Bentley1225]

Wiggins is not a bad contract needing a first to dump, made worse by giving GSW an actual bad contract in Huerter. Detroit just stealing value from GSW. Warriors never consider this. So it dies there.

Then the Warriors could increase protection on the 2031 1st sending Detroit (ie. 1-20 protected instead of 1-7 protected) assuming Warriors get back at least a 2nd round pick as originally outlined.

This doesn't solve any of it. You have them giving up the better player and the best asset. Why would they do this? If they want to shed money they have a lot of dead weight they could move and cheaper.

Sorry this one is just a miss mate.

Sure, we just differ on opinion of Wiggins. You could massage the OP in terms of pick allocation whereby Kings provide more value Pistons and Warriors provide less

ie.

To Detroit (Trade Hardaway, Fontecchio)
-Wiggins
-2nd round pick via KIngs

To Sacramento (Trade Hurter, 3 2nds)
-Brown

To Warriors (Trade Wiggins)
-Huerter
-2nd round pick via KIngs

To Toronto (Trade Brown)
-THJ
-Fontecchio
-2nd round pick via Kings

[gswhoops]

Then the Warriors could increase protection on the 2031 1st sending Detroit (ie. 1-20 protected instead of 1-7 protected) assuming Warriors get back at least a 2nd round pick as originally outlined.

This doesn't solve any of it. You have them giving up the better player and the best asset. Why would they do this? If they want to shed money they have a lot of dead weight they could move and cheaper.

Sorry this one is just a miss mate.

Sure, we just differ on opinion of Wiggins. You could massage the OP in terms of pick allocation whereby Kings provide more value Pistons and Warriors provide less

ie.

To Detroit (Trade Hardaway, Fontecchio)
-Wiggins
-2nd round pick via KIngs

To Sacramento (Trade Hurter, 3 2nds)
-Brown

To Warriors (Trade Wiggins)
-Huerter
-2nd round pick via KIngs

To Toronto (Trade Brown)
-THJ
-Fontecchio
-2nd round pick via Kings

You still haven't addressed the core issue - why would GS move Wiggins for a lesser player with the same number of years remaining when there are simpler, less painful ways to get out of the tax immediately available (such as moving GP2 or Looney)

[schaffy]

Then the Warriors could increase protection on the 2031 1st sending Detroit (ie. 1-20 protected instead of 1-7 protected) assuming Warriors get back at least a 2nd round pick as originally outlined.

This doesn't solve any of it. You have them giving up the better player and the best asset. Why would they do this? If they want to shed money they have a lot of dead weight they could move and cheaper.

Sorry this one is just a miss mate.

Sure, we just differ on opinion of Wiggins. You could massage the OP in terms of pick allocation whereby Kings provide more value Pistons and Warriors provide less

ie.

To Detroit (Trade Hardaway, Fontecchio)
-Wiggins
-2nd round pick via KIngs

To Sacramento (Trade Hurter, 3 2nds)
-Brown

To Warriors (Trade Wiggins)
-Huerter
-2nd round pick via KIngs

To Toronto (Trade Brown)
-THJ
-Fontecchio
-2nd round pick via Kings

Why not just make it a straight up THJ for Wiggins swap then? Nothing else. Doesnt that still get the Warriors under the apron (plus save all the future money with an expiring) and Det uses cap to get a starting wing?

Again, GSW would have other/better ways to duck the apron if thats what they wanted to do anyways. But feels like Sac just doesnt need to be here at all as no one wants a $17M shooter who has struggled to shoot and the 2nds arent fixing that and I think that just Brown's deal going to GSW wouldn't be enough to get under the apron (might be wrong on that feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).

[NW]

Warriors aren’t trading Wiggins to get under the tax apron. GP2 or Looney maybe should all hope be lost for the season, but not Wiggins

The deal saves Warriors approx $18 million between tax bill savings/cap reduction and gets them out of the $30 million player option for ''27-28 to Wiggins when they will likely be re-tooling or re-buildng once Curry is no longer under contract. It depends what direction Dunleavy is anticipating going between now and start of off-season when the Warriors are under .500 with less than 50% of season left to play.

They’re not looking to get out of Wiggins, who is a solid contributor on a decent deal, or his player option. Steph is under contract for 27-28 after signing the extension over the summer so that’s a moot point. After that, Steph, Wiggs and Dray come off the cap and it’s clear books

[psman2]

Wiggins is not a negative contract, he would never be the player GS uses assets to dump. The premise is flawed and unfixable.

[oldncreaky]

This doesn't solve any of it. You have them giving up the better player and the best asset. Why would they do this? If they want to shed money they have a lot of dead weight they could move and cheaper.

Sorry this one is just a miss mate.

Sure, we just differ on opinion of Wiggins. You could massage the OP in terms of pick allocation whereby Kings provide more value Pistons and Warriors provide less

ie.

To Detroit (Trade Hardaway, Fontecchio)
-Wiggins
-2nd round pick via KIngs

To Sacramento (Trade Hurter, 3 2nds)
-Brown

To Warriors (Trade Wiggins)
-Huerter
-2nd round pick via KIngs

To Toronto (Trade Brown)
-THJ
-Fontecchio
-2nd round pick via Kings

Why not just make it a straight up THJ for Wiggins swap then? Nothing else. Doesnt that still get the Warriors under the apron (plus save all the future money with an expiring) and Det uses cap to get a starting wing?

Again, GSW would have other/better ways to duck the apron if thats what they wanted to do anyways. But feels like Sac just doesnt need to be here at all as no one wants a $17M shooter who has struggled to shoot and the 2nds arent fixing that and I think that just Brown's deal going to GSW wouldn't be enough to get under the apron (might be wrong on that feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).

Agree

OP is too good for DET; the revision above is still slanted DET's way. I think Wiggins would be a fantastic fit in DET and getting a FRP is completely unwarranted. DET is also $14M under the salary cap so no need to send out Fontecchio. To balance out a Wiggins-THJ swap, I'd suggest

GSW out, DET in: Wiggins
GSW in, DET out: THJ, two SRPS, $10M in savings

That would still leave DET with a room exception and about $4M in cap space to look for a backup PG. For GSW, getting some minor draft assets while ducking the luxury tax and leaving more room to extend Kuminga and Moody at least makes some sense (even if I wouldn't suggest GSW do it)

Aside: on the TOR end, they have an open roster spot so can accept any 2-for-1 without waving anyone, but I don't think anyone is giving TOR SRPs for Brown unless TOR takes back a worse contract.

[gswhoops]

These are all fine edits, but none of them can get around the fact that the core concept here (Warriors dump Wiggins for lesser players to duck the tax) is fundamentally, fatally, flawed.

[Billl]

LOL. The cap has gone up so much in recent years that andrew wiggins contract now looks almost reasonable. Not really a good reason to dump him for a talent downgrade.

For my pistons, I still wouldn't want him. Even with all of GS's assertive vets, he's been a bit spacey. I don't think he's the guy you want on a young team personality wise. Obviously he's the best player in the deal in terms of talent, but I don't think he maxes that out in detroit. We're just starting to develop a team culture with some accountability and intensity and I think he needs more of that type of structure and leadership around him to motivate him.

[Coxy]

Wiggins is not a bad contract needing a first to dump, made worse by giving GSW an actual bad contract in Huerter. Detroit just stealing value from GSW. Warriors never consider this. So it dies there.

Bingo, nuff said.