Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition

[MisterRoy]

If we’re going to take Beal, why not just keep Zach?

[SirKaiser]

It's amazing how many here consider Lavine as a salary dump, or would trade him for some other team's garbage. It's almost become a kind of misinformation that has been perpetuated for the past year or so. There's a reason they aren't the GM of the team, and perhaps wouldn't make a good GM at anything. It also makes me occasionally appreciate the stubbornness of AK.

Let's see what he's worth when he's gone, but there's no rush to move him. Not to mention the team has no desire to "rebuild" in the same sense that some of you think.

[MisterRoy]

We should focus on getting a starting 4. I feel like that’s what we are missing and we have a glut of guards not named Zach to make that happen.

[Muzbar]

Read on Twitter

No thanks.

I doubt Beal agrees to come to Chicago.

If this trade were to happen I could see Zach doing well in Milwaukee and Phoenix improving. Imagine the reaction to that on this board? Ha!

I might consider it for two picks from the Suns, but even then I'd have to think about it. You?

I'd definitely contemplate it with 2 FRPs. But Beals NTC is a massive turn off.

I'm not sure if I'd do it though.

[Dez]

It's amazing how many here consider Lavine as a salary dump, or would trade him for some other team's garbage. It's almost become a kind of misinformation that has been perpetuated for the past year or so. There's a reason they aren't the GM of the team, and perhaps wouldn't make a good GM at anything. It also makes me occasionally appreciate the stubbornness of AK.

Let's see what he's worth when he's gone, but there's no rush to move him. Not to mention the team has no desire to "rebuild" in the same sense that some of you think.

It's amazing that people don't consider the situation the Bulls in, Zach makes too much money and is a bad contract for the Bulls position. If the Bulls can get out of it then they have to. Also taking back others garbage is only if there's adequate draft capital coming back with it.

[Dan Z]

No thanks.

I doubt Beal agrees to come to Chicago.

If this trade were to happen I could see Zach doing well in Milwaukee and Phoenix improving. Imagine the reaction to that on this board? Ha!

I might consider it for two picks from the Suns, but even then I'd have to think about it. You?

I'd definitely contemplate it with 2 FRPs. But Beals NTC is a massive turn off.

I'm not sure if I'd do it though.

It's crazy that Washington gave him a NTC.

[Jcool0]

Beals not declining a 57M player option right?
.

[MisterRoy]

Beals not declining a 57M player option right?
.

Nobody walks away from that kind of money.

[Rose2Boozer]

Read on Twitter

Look like the Bulls and Bucks can make a deal without the rest of the teams.

[Chi town]

No way Bulls take Beal.

No way JR takes back bad contracts for Lavine.

[DropStep]

We should focus on getting a starting 4. I feel like that’s what we are missing and we have a glut of guards not named Zach to make that happen.

Do we not think Buz is the 4 of the future? (I do think he will be a full-time 4 when he gets his big-boy body.) I could maybe get behind a veteran bridge/mentor type, but if Buz isn't starting at the 4 here in two years, we're likely heading for rebuild city. I'm hoping he is one of our better assets right now, I'd hate to be big buyers at the same position.

[Dan Z]

We should focus on getting a starting 4. I feel like that’s what we are missing and we have a glut of guards not named Zach to make that happen.

Do we not think Buz is the 4 of the future? (I do think he will be a full-time 4 when he gets his big-boy body.) I could maybe get behind a veteran bridge/mentor type, but if Buz isn't starting at the 4 here in two years, we're likely heading for rebuild city. I'm hoping he is one of our better assets right now, I'd hate to be big buyers at the same position.

Can he play SF? Maybe he's more suited there? Or can switch positions when needed?

[MisterRoy]

We should focus on getting a starting 4. I feel like that’s what we are missing and we have a glut of guards not named Zach to make that happen.

Do we not think Buz is the 4 of the future? (I do think he will be a full-time 4 when he gets his big-boy body.) I could maybe get behind a veteran bridge/mentor type, but if Buz isn't starting at the 4 here in two years, we're likely heading for rebuild city. I'm hoping he is one of our better assets right now, I'd hate to be big buyers at the same position.

Maybe but we need someone now. AKME should focus on being competitive now. We’ve sucked long enough.

[DASMACKDOWN]

What would actually be the point in taking Beal?

If the premise is that Zach makes too much, relative to where the Bulls are as a franchise, why then take on a player who is worse, older and makes the most money in the entire league?

Not only that but what about the luxury tax implications? From the Bulls perspective, there is No way we do it.

Now if the strategy, is that we also get in a few draft sweeteners with him, not sign anyone in the offseason, and look to be major free agent players in 26/27 then It would make more sense.

[jnrjr79]

What would actually be the point in taking Beal?

If the premise is that Zach makes too much, relative to where the Bulls are as a franchise, why then take on a player who is worse, older and makes the most money in the entire league?

Not only that but what about the luxury tax implications? From the Bulls perspective, there is No way we do it.

Now if the strategy, is that we also get in a few draft sweeteners with him, not sign anyone in the offseason, and look to be major free agent players in 26/27 then It would make more sense.

Right. The *only* way it makes sense is if you're getting a bunch of draft capital. It's a downgrade on talent and it costs more money. And if he waives his NTC to come to the Bulls, he may not when the Bulls inevitably want to ship him out.

[pipfan]

Only way I could see us taking on Beal is if we got Ryan Dunn and 2 of those picks
But, we'd have to clear cap space-NO WAY they go into the tax for a crappy team

So, send Coby to Det for cap space and a future 1st
Do the stupid deal for Dunn, Beal and 2 picks
When Vuc puts up 24/15 tonight vs. GS, we get Looney/GP2/their 1st this year

Tank the year and build for the future, eating Beal's terrible contract for two more years
Ayo/Ball/Carter
Beal/Terry/Duarte
Giddy/Matas/Dunn
PWill/Phillips/Craig
Smith/Looney

keep our pick this year and now we have five extra firsts (with one owed to SA) and some young pieces to play with

[Mindcrime]

Yeah, let's trade top 10 scorer in Bulls history, playing the best ball of his life for over the hill one and basically a 2nd rounder. Even Gar is laughing somwhere.

[Dez]

Only way I could see us taking on Beal is if we got Ryan Dunn and 2 of those picks
But, we'd have to clear cap space-NO WAY they go into the tax for a crappy team

So, send Coby to Det for cap space and a future 1st
Do the stupid deal for Dunn, Beal and 2 picks
When Vuc puts up 24/15 tonight vs. GS, we get Looney/GP2/their 1st this year

Tank the year and build for the future, eating Beal's terrible contract for two more years
Ayo/Ball/Carter
Beal/Terry/Duarte
Giddy/Matas/Dunn
PWill/Phillips/Craig
Smith/Looney

keep our pick this year and now we have five extra firsts (with one owed to SA) and some young pieces to play with

This is delusional, the Suns aren't going to give up 2 firsts regardless of protections plus Ryan Dunn for LaVine and the Warriors aren't giving a 1st for Vuc.

[RastaBull]

I don't think Zach is that bad of a contract, given the way he's been proving himself this year. I take a look at the other guys on NBA contracts of similar number and I'd say he's playing at much higher level and statistical return. Fred VV, Lauri, Pascal and Tyrese (Haliburton has has a really odd year and I think he has much higher ceiling, but isn't as proven as I thought). Rudy, Damien Lillard, Beal, are contracts above him that I don't think offer any better return (Beal obviously worse).

When I look at Bulls salaries, I don't think his is the problem. Reasonably, the contract he's on now is a viable second highest contract on a championship level team. (Philly, Suns, Lakers, Bucks, Celtics, Timberwolves all have/will have next year TWO players with contracts higher than Lavine). That is to say, Lavine is not a #1 guy, but he is clearly at production level of a viable #2 (fit is a different issue).

So that said, selling him for nothing (at most a late first) accomplishes little except to put us in a worse purgatory without and players to lead team (Pat Williams as the best player with hope that Buz excels quickly). Vuc/Coby/Giddey are the contracts I'm more worried about (for different reasons).

[ChettheJet]

Yeah, let's trade top 10 scorer in Bulls history, playing the best ball of his life for over the hill one and basically a 2nd rounder. Even Gar is laughing somwhere.

Not being mean but

Bob Weiss
Wilbur Holland
Dave Corzine
Coby Dietrich
Garfield Heard

all won more playoff games for the Bulls than Zach Lavine, most in less time. I don't think Zach's contract is out of line for the numbers he puts up. I complain about his turnovers but he does have the ball in his hands too much which makes those numbers higher. My problem is while he puts up serious numbers they have never translated to enough wins. Part of that is defense, not on ball where he tries to stay with his man I'm talking about switching and rotating on help defense, he just doesn't rotate to cover under the basket and with the Bulls always with 3 or 4 guards they all have to do it or you see the easy points in the paint.