Free Agent, (Trade), Buyout, Extension & Conversion Thread, 2025

[Curmudgeon]

If the Cs get a guy like Coffey, Sam will go from 8th man to 9th man.

Coffey will be an upgrade over Sam.

Then trade Sam. Might as well do it now before his big raise kicks in.

[Hal14]

If the Cs get a guy like Coffey, Sam will go from 8th man to 9th man.

Coffey will be an upgrade over Sam.

Eh, that's debatable. I'd say they're fairly comparable as players. Both 3&D guys.

We just gave Hauser a sizable contract extension so I doubt we trade for anyone who would be ahead of him in the rotation at this point.

Also, Coffey only has 1 season where he got any meaningful playoff mins. It was last year..only played in 6 games, shot just 31% FG and 27% from 3, averaging 2 PPG.

Meanwhile, Sam has contributed for us in 2 playoff runs now..1 of them was a regular rotation guy throughout the entire playoff run, helping us win the NBA finals. In last year's playoffs he shot 42% FG and 38% from 3, 5 PPG.

And Sam knows our systems and schemes way better from being here for 5 years now.

Lastly, the Clippers are a playoff team and Coffey is one of their better players so it's unlikely they trade him - unless it's part of a package to try and get a star like Butler, Beal, Randle, etc. They're not going to just dump one of their better players for some 2nd round picks when they're in the playoff hunt.

[Fierce1]

If the Cs get a guy like Coffey, Sam will go from 8th man to 9th man.

Coffey will be an upgrade over Sam.

Eh, that's debatable. I'd say they're fairly comparable as players. Both 3&D guys.

We just gave Hauser a sizable contract extension so I doubt we trade for anyone who would be ahead of him in the rotation at this point.

Also, Coffey only has 1 season where he got any meaningful playoff mins. It was last year..only played in 6 games, shot just 31% FG and 27% from 3, averaging 2 PPG.

Meanwhile, Sam has contributed for us in 2 playoff runs now..1 of them was a regular rotation guy throughout the entire playoff run, helping us win the NBA finals. In last year's playoffs he shot 42% FG and 38% from 3, 5 PPG.

And Sam knows our systems and schemes way better from being here for 5 years now.

Lastly, the Clippers are a playoff team and Coffey is one of their better players so it's unlikely they trade him - unless it's part of a package to try and get a star like Butler, Beal, Randle, etc. They're not going to just dump one of their better players for some 2nd round picks when they're in the playoff hunt.

Reason why I think Coffey is available is for financial reasons.

The Clips have Kawhi, Norm Powell, Nic Batum, and PorterJr.

Plus, they just gave Mann 15m per year for 3 yrs and DJJ got 10m per year for 3 yrs last July.

Coffey has an expiring contract.

So I doubt the Clips can afford another big contract on a wing player.

Coffey can replace Jrue in the starting lineup next season.

Remove Jrue's 34m per year and replace that with a 12m per year player.

Cs will inherit Coffey's Bird Rights.

[Fierce1]

What Coffey can do that Sam can't?

Drive to the basket and finish strong at the rim.

Even on defense Coffey is better than Sam.

So it's an upgrade that would also result in becoming a starter in the near future.

[playa-hater]

So trade him for someone else who won't be in the rotation?

The idea or at least my idea would be to include springer and his salary with some draft capital to improve our rotation.

Our rotation is set in stone (JT, JB, KP, horford, hauser, pritchard, jrue, white). Anyone we acquire via trade would likely not be in the regular rotation - especially since we can't trade for anyone making more than $4 mil a year.

If we trade for a player, they likely would not play very much..it would just be to shore up the end of the bench, give some injury insurance..

Also, you other statement of "But before someone says we should keep him now, I say why bother. Joe won't play him in rotation anyway." is odd timing to say that now since Joe just did play Springer last night for 20 mins, and in overtime..

Here is where I disagree. Getting "someone like" J Champagnie, Coffey or Kessler (using names discussed as an example But Brad may have other ideas) not only would upgrade us in this regular season but perhaps one of those 3 could actually challenge any of PP Hauser and Al for actually top 8 come playoffs. All while insuring if any of our current 8 players get injured, we have a very competent replacement.

PP "might get picked on"

Hauser is often too "streaky"

Al is looking Old way more often than young nowadays.

Now if the assumption is Joe won't play or integrate any possible upgrade, then he may be even worse than I claim. If this "set in stone" rotation stays the same, we run a very good chance of becoming close (yet again) with no title.

I will be looking back at this subject come season's end to see who was right. But if there is a chance to upgrade somehow Boston/Brad needs to do it.

[Fierce1]

The idea or at least my idea would be to include springer and his salary with some draft capital to improve our rotation.

Our rotation is set in stone (JT, JB, KP, horford, hauser, pritchard, jrue, white). Anyone we acquire via trade would likely not be in the regular rotation - especially since we can't trade for anyone making more than $4 mil a year.

If we trade for a player, they likely would not play very much..it would just be to shore up the end of the bench, give some injury insurance..

Also, you other statement of "But before someone says we should keep him now, I say why bother. Joe won't play him in rotation anyway." is odd timing to say that now since Joe just did play Springer last night for 20 mins, and in overtime..

Here is where I disagree. Getting "someone like" J Champagnie, Coffey or Kessler (using names discussed as an example But Brad may have other ideas) not only would upgrade us in this regular season but perhaps one of those 3 could actually challenge any of PP Hauser and Al for actually top 8 come playoffs. All while insuring if any of our current 8 players get injured, we have a very competent replacement.

PP "might get picked on"

Hauser is often too "streaky"

Al is looking Old way more often than young nowadays.

Now if the assumption is Joe won't play or integrate any possible upgrade, then he may be even worse than I claim. If this "set in stone" rotation stays the same, we run a very good chance of becoming close (yet again) with no title.

I will be looking back at this subject come season's end to see who was right. But if there is a chance to upgrade somehow Boston/Brad needs to do it.

Have to agree with you on this one.

Other teams are getting better.

[phincsfan]

I hate using “ifs”, but if they are healthy for the playoffs, I know their talent is better than the rest of the league for a 7 game series. I don’t see any move really moving the needle.

Last season they were shooting into hula hoops, this year they’re ice cold, so far.

Last season 3 games under 100 points scored. All losses. This season, 4 already. All losses. In todays NBA you’re not winning scoring less than 100.

[winsomme2]

Definitely worried about Jrue Holiday's shoulder. This has to be why his shooting is so off and a painful shoulder seems like something that will linger. Jrue being a reliable shooter was one of the main reasons he was such an upgrade over Smart.

This is going to be a really tricky trade deadline for Brad. He must know that there are aspects of this team that need altering and he has made a reputation of not being afraid to make a move but this team unfortunately seems very delicate and reactive.

[Fierce1]

The safe play is not to make a major trade.

But make a trade that will help the team now and in the future.

I like Cam Johnson, but it would cost the Cs Jrue Holiday.

The players will not be happy if Brad trades Jrue.

So the next best thing is spend a 1st rnd pick in a package with Springer to get Amir Coffey.

Joe will play Coffey as he's better than Sam Hauser.

[winsomme2]

The safe play is not to make a major trade.

But make a trade that will help the team now and in the future.

I like Cam Johnson, but it would cost the Cs Jrue Holiday.

The players will not be happy if Brad trades Jrue.

So the next best thing is spend a 1st rnd pick in a package with Springer to get Amir Coffey.

Joe will play Coffey as he's better than Sam Hauser.

I would consider Cam Johnson for Jrue a major trade. Not sure Jrue of what Jrue's trade value is right now. His shoulder has really thrown off his game IMO. He was a lethal shooter last year and isn't this year.

One of the big problems is our streaky shooting and Cam Johnson would be a solid attempt to address that. Man Brad has his work cut out for him...

[Fierce1]

If Joe is really serious about double big, Kessler is rumored to be available for a high price.

Will Brad give up 2 1st rnd picks for Walker Kessler?

[Fierce1]

The safe play is not to make a major trade.

But make a trade that will help the team now and in the future.

I like Cam Johnson, but it would cost the Cs Jrue Holiday.

The players will not be happy if Brad trades Jrue.

So the next best thing is spend a 1st rnd pick in a package with Springer to get Amir Coffey.

Joe will play Coffey as he's better than Sam Hauser.

I would consider Cam Johnson for Jrue a major trade. Not sure Jrue of what Jrue's trade value is right now. His shoulder has really thrown off his game IMO. He was a lethal shooter last year and isn't this year.

One of the big problems is our streaky shooting and Cam Johnson would be a solid attempt to address that. Man Brad has his work cut out for him...

The Nets will take Jrue if the Cs give the Nets 2 1st rnd picks.

[Celts17Pride]

The safe play is not to make a major trade.

But make a trade that will help the team now and in the future.

I like Cam Johnson, but it would cost the Cs Jrue Holiday.

The players will not be happy if Brad trades Jrue.

So the next best thing is spend a 1st rnd pick in a package with Springer to get Amir Coffey.

Joe will play Coffey as he's better than Sam Hauser.

I would consider Cam Johnson for Jrue a major trade. Not sure Jrue of what Jrue's trade value is right now. His shoulder has really thrown off his game IMO. He was a lethal shooter last year and isn't this year.

One of the big problems is our streaky shooting and Cam Johnson would be a solid attempt to address that. Man Brad has his work cut out for him...

The Nets will take Jrue if the Cs give the Nets 2 1st rnd picks.

Done.

[phincsfan]

The safe play is not to make a major trade.

But make a trade that will help the team now and in the future.

I like Cam Johnson, but it would cost the Cs Jrue Holiday.

The players will not be happy if Brad trades Jrue.

So the next best thing is spend a 1st rnd pick in a package with Springer to get Amir Coffey.

Joe will play Coffey as he's better than Sam Hauser.

I would consider Cam Johnson for Jrue a major trade. Not sure Jrue of what Jrue's trade value is right now. His shoulder has really thrown off his game IMO. He was a lethal shooter last year and isn't this year.

One of the big problems is our streaky shooting and Cam Johnson would be a solid attempt to address that. Man Brad has his work cut out for him...

The Nets will take Jrue if the Cs give the Nets 2 1st rnd picks.

You really believe the Nets will take Jrue's 3 remaining years at 103mil for potentially 2 late 1st round picks? Even if the Celtics gave them 26' and 28' the Jay's will still be under contract. I don't think Stevens gives up any picks that the Jay's won't be on the roster. That's roster malpractice because eventually we'll be a team on the bottom and lottery picks are where you build from. Boston is not a FA destination unless there are studs in place.

[Fierce1]

I would consider Cam Johnson for Jrue a major trade. Not sure Jrue of what Jrue's trade value is right now. His shoulder has really thrown off his game IMO. He was a lethal shooter last year and isn't this year.

One of the big problems is our streaky shooting and Cam Johnson would be a solid attempt to address that. Man Brad has his work cut out for him...

The Nets will take Jrue if the Cs give the Nets 2 1st rnd picks.

You really believe the Nets will take Jrue's 3 remaining years at 103mil for potentially 2 late 1st round picks? Even if the Celtics gave them 26' and 28' the Jay's will still be under contract. I don't think Stevens gives up any picks that the Jay's won't be on the roster. That's roster malpractice because eventually we'll be a team on the bottom and lottery picks are where you build from. Boston is not a FA destination unless there are studs in place.

Nets will just ship Jrue to another team.

According to reports, Nets want 2 1st rnd picks for Cam.

[phincsfan]

The Nets will take Jrue if the Cs give the Nets 2 1st rnd picks.

You really believe the Nets will take Jrue's 3 remaining years at 103mil for potentially 2 late 1st round picks? Even if the Celtics gave them 26' and 28' the Jay's will still be under contract. I don't think Stevens gives up any picks that the Jay's won't be on the roster. That's roster malpractice because eventually we'll be a team on the bottom and lottery picks are where you build from. Boston is not a FA destination unless there are studs in place.

Nets will just ship Jrue to another team.

According to reports, Nets want 2 1st rnd picks for Cam.

I don't dispute the wanting of 1st round picks, but I would think those picks would have to be much better than late 1st's? He's playing very good and he's dirt cheap for the next two years. The Spurs can trade Zach Collins and two 1st's in this draft turn around and draft talent now. They have cap room.

[Fierce1]

You really believe the Nets will take Jrue's 3 remaining years at 103mil for potentially 2 late 1st round picks? Even if the Celtics gave them 26' and 28' the Jay's will still be under contract. I don't think Stevens gives up any picks that the Jay's won't be on the roster. That's roster malpractice because eventually we'll be a team on the bottom and lottery picks are where you build from. Boston is not a FA destination unless there are studs in place.

Nets will just ship Jrue to another team.

According to reports, Nets want 2 1st rnd picks for Cam.

I don't dispute the wanting of 1st round picks, but I would think those picks would have to be much better than late 1st's? He's playing very good and he's dirt cheap for the next two years. The Spurs can trade Zach Collins and two 1st's in this draft turn around and draft talent now. They have cap room.

Yeah, but the Spurs are loaded at the SF/SG position.

[phincsfan]

Nets will just ship Jrue to another team.

According to reports, Nets want 2 1st rnd picks for Cam.

I don't dispute the wanting of 1st round picks, but I would think those picks would have to be much better than late 1st's? He's playing very good and he's dirt cheap for the next two years. The Spurs can trade Zach Collins and two 1st's in this draft turn around and draft talent now. They have cap room.

Yeah, but the Spurs are loaded at the SF/SG position.

They are but he's better. Get him and trade Johnson. Vassell's contract is a tough one to move, not so much Johnson's.

[Curmudgeon]

Meh, you'll miss Jrue come playoff time. The guy who needs to go is Brown, who is a great individual scorer but has the BBIQ of a turnip.

[phincsfan]

Meh, you'll miss Jrue come playoff time. The guy who needs to go is Brown, who is a great individual scorer but has the BBIQ of a turnip.

He was the finals MVP. That's when it counts.