Cavs/Hawks/Pistons

[Texas Chuck]

Detroit trades: Fontecchio/25 TOR 2nd
Detroit gets: LeVert

Cleveland trades: LeVert/Niang/31 CLE 1st(top 1 becomes 31 CLE 2nd)
Cleveland gets: Hunter

Atlanta trades: Hunter
Atlanta gets: Niang/Fontecchio/25 TOR 2nd/31 CLE 1st

Hawks cash out on Hunter having a really good year getting a good 2nd now and a very lightly protected first later. Get two useful bench shooters

Pistons use their cap space and a good 2nd to get another offensive creator and create more financial room for next year

Cavs get their big forward defender and say let's go.

[vege]

LeVert to Detroit is very interesting. He provides a lot of what we need.

I think a better deal would be LeVert for Sasser and Wendell Moore.

I think that's better value than Fontecchio and Toronto 2nd and despite of Fontecchio not playing well under JB, we need him in our rotation, meanwhile LeVert would take all Sasser minutes and then some.

Another 2nd could be added to Sasser and the big TPE we would provide if needed but probably not Toronto.

I think I might like that more than my Sasser + Wendell Moore for Brogdon idea.

[Snakebites]

I think I'd take this deal. I think adding a solid veteran piece while giving up minimal assets and not committing long term financially is exactly the type of move we should be targeting this deadline.

[oldncreaky]

Yes for the Pistons. Lavert has his pros and cons, but he would address a key issue of needing someone to run the offence when Cade gets a breather

I don't know how this trade views Fontecchio. I view him as neutral to slightly negative with next year's $8.3M owed, but he can play PF where we are really thin. An alternative that works for DET and doesn't involve Fontecchio is

DET out: Moore ($2.5M expiring) + SRP
DET in: Lavert

[Texas Chuck]

I think Atlanta would be fine with an expiring in his place so if that works better for Detroit I see no issues.

[jbk1234]

There's just no way that Hunter is worth that pick. Also, the Cavs can't really afford to add him to the payroll unless Niang and/or Okoro's future money goes out.

What the Cavs really need is another big that can defend in the rotation. When our core four are on the floor together, we can beat anyone. The problems arise when their minutes are staggered.

[Texas Chuck]

There's just no way that Hunter is worth that pick. Also, the Cavs can't really afford to add him to the payroll unless Niang and/or Okoro's future money goes out.

Fair enough on the value. But Niang's money is going out....

[jbk1234]

There's just no way that Hunter is worth that pick. Also, the Cavs can't really afford to add him to the payroll unless Niang and/or Okoro's future money goes out.

Fair enough on the value. But Niang's money is going out....

Missed that. It's better, but I'm still a contrarian on the Cavs needing a wing with size. Mobley is going to defend Giannis, Tatum, and Banchero anyway. Wade can defend Brown and Franz (Wade actually missed the Magic series last year). The problem is Niang and TT are our backup bigs when we start Wade. There are rumors we might take Porter (who I'm not sure is the answer) in a mega trade.

[tmorgan]

I’d take Caris in Detroit for sure (another UM guy is always nice), but I’d rather keep Tek and move Sasser, as others have mentioned. Don’t really want to trade next year’s good second, though.

I like vege’s idea… Moore, Sasser, and a lesser second or two.

[bgrep14]

The trade should probably just be

Detroit: protected 1st round pick
Detroit: Lavert

Cavs: Lavert and Niang
Cavs: Hunter

Atlanta: Hunter
Atlanta: Niang and Detroit 1st

Atlanta saves a bunch of money, opens up cap space, and gets a first

Cavs get someone they can start at the 3 and move Wade back into the stretch 4 role Niang plays plus give Jerome an uptick in minutes.

Detroit gets a player they can get good value in, protect their cap for next year while maintaining Laverts bird rights.

[tmorgan]

No, it should not. We’re not paying a first of any kind for Caris. We’re in no position to do that.

[Laimbeer]

I’d take Caris in Detroit for sure (another UM guy is always nice), but I’d rather keep Tek and move Sasser, as others have mentioned. Don’t really want to trade next year’s good second, though.

I like vege’s idea… Moore, Sasser, and a lesser second or two.

Disagree a lot. Sasser is worth more than Tek and a second doesn't bridge that gap. Tek hasn't been very good.

[bgrep14]

No, it should not. We’re not paying a first of any kind for Caris. We’re in no position to do that.

Why would anyone give Lavert for Fontechino and a 2nd. Lavert at least gets 4 2nds on the open market. Fontecchio and a 2nd gets you Niang. Regardless, more value needs to be coming from the Pistons in Op suggestion. Probably 4 2nds from Detroit and 1 2nd from Cleveland and Detroit keeps Fontecchio.

Detroit: 4 2nds
Detroit: Lavert

Cleveland: Lavert, Niang, and a 2nd
Cleveland: Hunter

Atlanta: Hunter
Atlanta: Niang and 5 2nds

[toooskies]

There's just no way that Hunter is worth that pick. Also, the Cavs can't really afford to add him to the payroll unless Niang and/or Okoro's future money goes out.

Fair enough on the value. But Niang's money is going out....

Missed that. It's better, but I'm still a contrarian on the Cavs needing a wing with size. Mobley is going to defend Giannis, Tatum, and Banchero anyway. Wade can defend Brown and Franz (Wade actually missed the Magic series last year). The problem is Niang and TT are our backup bigs when we start Wade. There are rumors we might take Porter (who I'm not sure is the answer) in a mega trade.

First I'd say that we often put Mobley on a player that is less of a threat so he can play help defense. We rarely use him as a shut-down type of player. The Cavs put a variety of guys on Banchero even before Allen got hurt and Mobley shifted to C.

The second thing is, if Allen or Mobley get hurt, we're at Dean Wade on the big wing assignment and no great backup options.

The third thing is, both Boston and Orlando can play big against us. We saw it in the game Boston played against us with Holiday out-- they started Porzingis next to Horford in six of the twenty games that Porzingis has played, and those two with Tatum twice. It may not be their default in the regular season but it's something they could absolutely shift to if they think it gives them an advantage. Orlando is big by default with Franz and Paolo out there and could absolutely play even bigger.

The fourth thing is, the Cavs play a lot of zone and in that case the offense dictates the matchup. Tatum and Paolo more than happy taking a jumper over a shorter player.

[zeebneeb]

No, it should not. We’re not paying a first of any kind for Caris. We’re in no position to do that.

Agreed. If the Cavs want some seconds for Lavert, fine. I am of the mind, that I don't want to risk the chemistry in the locker room that is developing, by moving anyone right now.

Adding a player? Sure, but unless it's a true needle mover, it's gonna be limited to Moore, and a bunch of seconds. The Pistons have 8 I believe to bargin with.

[jbk1234]

I have the Hawks as the wrong third team here. I'd want Boucher back from the Raptors in any LeVert trade. Detroit sends the Raptors their second back with expiring filler. Done and dusted.

[oldncreaky]

No, it should not. We’re not paying a first of any kind for Caris. We’re in no position to do that.

Why would anyone give Lavert for Fontechino and a 2nd. Lavert at least gets 4 2nds on the open market. Fontecchio and a 2nd gets you Niang. Regardless, more value needs to be coming from the Pistons in Op suggestion. Probably 4 2nds from Detroit and 1 2nd from Cleveland and Detroit keeps Fontecchio.

Detroit: 4 2nds
Detroit: Lavert

Cleveland: Lavert, Niang, and a 2nd
Cleveland: Hunter

Atlanta: Hunter
Atlanta: Niang and 5 2nds

DET has $14M in cap space, not the $16.5M needed for Lavert. DET needs to send out $2.5M to make it legal (per spotrac). Either Moore or Sasser fit and are enough.

DET is also using up cap space. That has value. Based on trades made this last off-season such as DET-DAL and TOR-SAC, giving up $14M in cap space is easily worth 4 SRPs

[oldncreaky]

I have the Hawks as the wrong third team here. I'd want Boucher back from the Raptors in any LeVert trade. Detroit sends the Raptors their second back with expiring filler. Done and dusted.

Are you suggesting
TOR out: Boucher
TOR in: expiring filler, 2025 TOR SRP

IMO that should be a lightning fast "yes" from Toronto as long as the expiring filler was less than $16-18M and used up only 1 or 2 roster spots

Can you provide more detail about what you are thinking if it was CLE-DET-TOR ?

[jbk1234]

No, it should not. We’re not paying a first of any kind for Caris. We’re in no position to do that.

Why would anyone give Lavert for Fontechino and a 2nd. Lavert at least gets 4 2nds on the open market. Fontecchio and a 2nd gets you Niang. Regardless, more value needs to be coming from the Pistons in Op suggestion. Probably 4 2nds from Detroit and 1 2nd from Cleveland and Detroit keeps Fontecchio.

Detroit: 4 2nds
Detroit: Lavert

Cleveland: Lavert, Niang, and a 2nd
Cleveland: Hunter

Atlanta: Hunter
Atlanta: Niang and 5 2nds

DET has $14M in cap space, not the $16.5M needed for Lavert. DET needs to send out $2.5M to make it legal (per spotrac). Either Moore or Sasser fit and are enough.

DET is also using up cap space. That has value. Based on trades made this last off-season such as DET-DAL and TOR-SAC, giving up $14M in cap space is easily worth 4 SRPs

The problem is that it's difficult for the Pistons to transfer all that value to the Cavs whose are $2M over the tax line. We could really use $3-4M in space, but the rest of it is of little value. LeVert also has value as an expiring contract that isn't fully realized by sending him to a team already below the cap. If the Cavs and Raptors want to maximize the return in terms of picks, this trade isn't it. This trade only works if both teams are interested in addressing needs right now.

[jbk1234]

I have the Hawks as the wrong third team here. I'd want Boucher back from the Raptors in any LeVert trade. Detroit sends the Raptors their second back with expiring filler. Done and dusted.

Are you suggesting
TOR out: Boucher
TOR in: expiring filler, 2025 TOR SRP

IMO that should be a lightning fast "yes" from Toronto as long as the expiring filler was less than $16-18M and used up only 1 or 2 roster spots

Can you provide more detail about what you are thinking if it was CLE-DET-TOR ?

I mean the Pistons only need to send out $4M in filler to take back LeVert? It seems pretty inconsequential what that filler is.