Trade Ideas

[JujitsuFlip]

Yeah, most of the list that was posted is not what I envisioned when I thought about someone who could slow down SGA-- many are somewhere in between Strus and Okoro, and I was hoping for better than Okoro. And I don't think you can count on Thybulle being that guy given that he's been hurt all year.

We can always have two defensive bigs on the floor if we just use Mobley/Allen/Wade in a three-man rotation rather than playing Wade at the 3, and that was what I assumed the plan was last summer when we didn't add anybody. You can add Niang on a matchup basis and sometimes slide Wade to the 3 in those lineups when the matchup fits Niang.

Adding Boucher requires subtracting a guy and I just don't think we do that unless someone's unhappy with their role. (That could happen with Strus or LeVert if they're both angling to close games at the 3, or with Merrill if we ever get healthy and bump him from the rotation.)

I just looked that TJ and Merrill have the same agent (Chandler Hutchinson on the Charge too).

Idk if that is a good or bad sign in trying to retain the 2 expiring guys this summer.

Same agent as Max Strus, too.

Collin Sexton had the same agent as Caris LeVert when we traded for Caris. When the writing was on the wall that only one of LeVert or Sexton were up for the same role on the team and both were going to be FAs, Sexton switched to Klutch.

Oh wow, you're right. So he likes dealing with Cleveland, it seems like.

[toooskies]

I just looked that TJ and Merrill have the same agent (Chandler Hutchinson on the Charge too).

Idk if that is a good or bad sign in trying to retain the 2 expiring guys this summer.

Same agent as Max Strus, too.

Collin Sexton had the same agent as Caris LeVert when we traded for Caris. When the writing was on the wall that only one of LeVert or Sexton were up for the same role on the team and both were going to be FAs, Sexton switched to Klutch.

I don't think Sexton was ever interested in that role. He saw himself as the face of the franchise.

I'm not sure any role was offered to him.

[jbk1234]

Same agent as Max Strus, too.

Collin Sexton had the same agent as Caris LeVert when we traded for Caris. When the writing was on the wall that only one of LeVert or Sexton were up for the same role on the team and both were going to be FAs, Sexton switched to Klutch.

I don't think Sexton was ever interested in that role. He saw himself as the face of the franchise.

I'm not sure any role was offered to him.

He wanted a rookie max. He would've settled for slightly less before the injury. We weren't going to pay him that to be a sixth man. It's why we shopped him the summer before his last season.

[toooskies]

I don't think Sexton was ever interested in that role. He saw himself as the face of the franchise.

I'm not sure any role was offered to him.

He wanted a rookie max. He would've settled for slightly less before the injury. We weren't going to pay him that to be a sixth man. It's why we shopped him the summer before his last season.

I wasn't talking about that period. The rumor was we had $20m or so a year on the table for him and he turned it down that offseason.

But by the time he was an RFA, the Cavs barely had any money on the table. I think they were offering 3y/$40m after signing Rubio back from Indiana? They weren't offering him a serious spot in the rotation. He'd have been on the trade market the next winter if he'd have taken it, the starting spot was clearly LeVert's. (Until the Mitchell trade.)

[JujitsuFlip]

I'm not sure any role was offered to him.

He wanted a rookie max. He would've settled for slightly less before the injury. We weren't going to pay him that to be a sixth man. It's why we shopped him the summer before his last season.

I wasn't talking about that period. The rumor was we had $20m or so a year on the table for him and he turned it down that offseason.

But by the time he was an RFA, the Cavs barely had any money on the table. I think they were offering 3y/$40m after signing Rubio back from Indiana? They weren't offering him a serious spot in the rotation. He'd have been on the trade market the next winter if he'd have taken it, the starting spot was clearly LeVert's. (Until the Mitchell trade.)

Now Sexton may be on the move again, in the next 2 weeks

[KuruptedCav]

I’m getting the feeling that Cavs are in on Butler to Phoenix with Levert heading to Miami. Based on nothing but them wanting to make the playoffs with no long-term commitment, Phoenix splitting up the 2031 pick makes me think 3rd or 4th team needs paid off.


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[JujitsuFlip]

I’m getting the feeling that Cavs are in on Butler to Phoenix with Levert heading to Miami. Based on nothing but them wanting to make the playoffs with no long-term commitment, Phoenix splitting up the 2031 pick makes me think 3rd or 4th team needs paid off.


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What are we getting in return, do you think? In the hypothetical?

[toooskies]

I’m getting the feeling that Cavs are in on Butler to Phoenix with Levert heading to Miami. Based on nothing but them wanting to make the playoffs with no long-term commitment, Phoenix splitting up the 2031 pick makes me think 3rd or 4th team needs paid off.


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What are we getting in return, do you think? In the hypothetical?

I'm not sure Gilbert wants to do business in any way, shape, or form with Ishbia.

[JonFromVA]

I’m getting the feeling that Cavs are in on Butler to Phoenix with Levert heading to Miami. Based on nothing but them wanting to make the playoffs with no long-term commitment, Phoenix splitting up the 2031 pick makes me think 3rd or 4th team needs paid off.


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What are we getting in return, do you think? In the hypothetical?

I'm not sure Gilbert wants to do business in any way, shape, or form with Ishbia.

True that, but we might do something with Riley. And James Jones would probably work with us if Ishiba isn't looking.

Who knows what we'd actually want out of a trade with those teams. Is someone actually going to take Beal? And how does a deal even get done until someone is willing?

[JonFromVA]

I’m getting the feeling that Cavs are in on Butler to Phoenix with Levert heading to Miami. Based on nothing but them wanting to make the playoffs with no long-term commitment, Phoenix splitting up the 2031 pick makes me think 3rd or 4th team needs paid off.

Could be, but my first thought was Phoenix just wanted cheap young depth sooner rather than later.

[KuruptedCav]

I’m getting the feeling that Cavs are in on Butler to Phoenix with Levert heading to Miami. Based on nothing but them wanting to make the playoffs with no long-term commitment, Phoenix splitting up the 2031 pick makes me think 3rd or 4th team needs paid off.


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What are we getting in return, do you think? In the hypothetical?

Bobby Portis and Kevin Love as Portis goes with Beauchamp & Middleton to Miami in the Miami/PHX/MIL musical chairs.


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[JujitsuFlip]

I’m getting the feeling that Cavs are in on Butler to Phoenix with Levert heading to Miami. Based on nothing but them wanting to make the playoffs with no long-term commitment, Phoenix splitting up the 2031 pick makes me think 3rd or 4th team needs paid off.


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What are we getting in return, do you think? In the hypothetical?

Bobby Portis and Kevin Love as Portis goes with Beauchamp & Middleton to Miami in the Miami/PHX/MIL musical chairs.


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I'd have to see the full shake out of your idea bc i don't see any scenario where the Cavs end up with one of those guys let alone both.

[toooskies]

What are we getting in return, do you think? In the hypothetical?

Bobby Portis and Kevin Love as Portis goes with Beauchamp & Middleton to Miami in the Miami/PHX/MIL musical chairs.


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I'd have to see the full shake out of your idea bc i don't see any scenario where the Cavs end up with one of those guys let alone both.

In terms of salary, it's:

Butler to PHX
Beal to MIL
Middleton, LeVert, Beauchamp to MIA
Portis, Love to CLE
Connaughton to 5th team (Detroit or Washington)

Seems to work as a 5-team deal on the trade machines but I don't know that the 2nd apron restrictions on Milwaukee are being enforced properly given they end up with vacant roster spots.

Portis is a nice add as he fits neatly into our NTMLE exception. That means we create a trade exception to fit into LeVert's salary, minus whatever else we take back. We could then let Portis walk and fit a 2nd apron deal next year.

That said, I'm not sure I want Love back if I can get a lower salary back to skirt the tax.

What I'd love instead is to peel off Dunn from PHX in this kind of transaction. Exactly the big wing defender I'd be looking for (even if he may not be super-valuable this year), and there's no better team to try to steal from than one that thinks it's winning a deal. It can technically be a separate but conditional coincident transaction to get around aggregation rules, where we send our 2025 2nd to PHX for him. Or send out TT or Merrill.

Otherwise, we could take back one of MIL or MIA's minimums and Beauchamp doesn't move. Burks, Wright, Prince, Richardson, etc.

[ijspeelman]

Bobby Portis and Kevin Love as Portis goes with Beauchamp & Middleton to Miami in the Miami/PHX/MIL musical chairs.


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I'd have to see the full shake out of your idea bc i don't see any scenario where the Cavs end up with one of those guys let alone both.

In terms of salary, it's:

Butler to PHX
Beal to MIL
Middleton, LeVert, Beauchamp to MIA
Portis, Love to CLE
Connaughton to 5th team (Detroit or Washington)

Seems to work as a 5-team deal on the trade machines but I don't know that the 2nd apron restrictions on Milwaukee are being enforced properly given they end up with vacant roster spots.

Portis is a nice add as he fits neatly into our NTMLE exception. That means we create a trade exception to fit into LeVert's salary, minus whatever else we take back.

That said, I'm not sure I want Love back if I can get a minimum from Milwaukee or possibly Miami instead and get out of the tax. He and Portis share the same kind of role.

What I'd love instead is to peel off Dunn from PHX in this kind of transaction. Exactly the big wing defender I'd be looking for (even if he may not be super-valuable this year), and there's no better team to try to steal from than one that thinks it's winning a deal. It can technically be a separate but conditional coincident transaction to get around aggregation rules, where we send our 2025 2nd to PHX for him. Or send out TT or Merrill.

Otherwise, we could take back one of MIL or MIA's minimums and Beauchamp doesn't move. Burks, Wright, Prince, Richardson, etc.

Sadly, with this trade PHX is showing that they want to compete for at least one more year so Dunn is an incredibly valuable asset for them since he's a cost-controlled rookie. Probably more valuable to them than to include in one of these trades, but we will see.

Would be nice to get into one of these trades and just find ourselves a piece that could play in the playoffs like a Portis.

[jbk1234]

I wouldn't be terribly interested in adding Portis or Love to the roster, especially if we're still stuck with Niang after the trade.

[JujitsuFlip]

I wouldn't be terribly interested in adding Portis or Love to the roster, especially if we're still stuck with Niang after the trade.

At least they're big guys, right? lol

Not rim protectors tho is why I'm sure you don't love it.

[jbk1234]

I wouldn't be terribly interested in adding Portis or Love to the roster, especially if we're still stuck with Niang after the trade.

At least they're big guys, right? lol

Not rim protectors tho is why I'm sure you don't love it.

People who have convinced themselves that Portis is a plus defender need to take a gander at the Bucks forum. They can't stand him on that side of the floor.

[toooskies]

I'd have to see the full shake out of your idea bc i don't see any scenario where the Cavs end up with one of those guys let alone both.

In terms of salary, it's:

Butler to PHX
Beal to MIL
Middleton, LeVert, Beauchamp to MIA
Portis, Love to CLE
Connaughton to 5th team (Detroit or Washington)

Seems to work as a 5-team deal on the trade machines but I don't know that the 2nd apron restrictions on Milwaukee are being enforced properly given they end up with vacant roster spots.

Portis is a nice add as he fits neatly into our NTMLE exception. That means we create a trade exception to fit into LeVert's salary, minus whatever else we take back.

That said, I'm not sure I want Love back if I can get a minimum from Milwaukee or possibly Miami instead and get out of the tax. He and Portis share the same kind of role.

What I'd love instead is to peel off Dunn from PHX in this kind of transaction. Exactly the big wing defender I'd be looking for (even if he may not be super-valuable this year), and there's no better team to try to steal from than one that thinks it's winning a deal. It can technically be a separate but conditional coincident transaction to get around aggregation rules, where we send our 2025 2nd to PHX for him. Or send out TT or Merrill.

Otherwise, we could take back one of MIL or MIA's minimums and Beauchamp doesn't move. Burks, Wright, Prince, Richardson, etc.

Sadly, with this trade PHX is showing that they want to compete for at least one more year so Dunn is an incredibly valuable asset for them since he's a cost-controlled rookie. Probably more valuable to them than to include in one of these trades, but we will see.

Would be nice to get into one of these trades and just find ourselves a piece that could play in the playoffs like a Portis.

PHX is stuck trying to compete on an ongoing basis given they don't have rights to their picks until 2031. They're going to be acquiring veteran minimums in perpetuity.

The issue is that Dunn is a bit squeezed in their playoff rotation once Butler comes in-- KD and Butler will take most of the F minutes unless they go super-small with KD or Dunn at C. (There are some matchups where that might make sense, like OKC, but not many.)

I'm not saying they definitely will do that, but they might, and might is enough if LeVert's expiring is key to getting the deal done.

[toooskies]

I wouldn't be terribly interested in adding Portis or Love to the roster, especially if we're still stuck with Niang after the trade.

At least they're big guys, right? lol

Not rim protectors tho is why I'm sure you don't love it.

People who have convinced themselves that Portis is a plus defender need to take a gander at the Bucks forum. They can't stand him on that side of the floor.

But at least he has a defensive position, whereas Niang has no NBA player archetype which he should be guarding.

[jbk1234]

At least they're big guys, right? lol

Not rim protectors tho is why I'm sure you don't love it.

People who have convinced themselves that Portis is a plus defender need to take a gander at the Bucks forum. They can't stand him on that side of the floor.

But at least he has a defensive position, whereas Niang has no NBA player archetype which he should be guarding.

I would've put him in for a couple of minutes against Sengun the other night with instructions to shove back twice as hard.