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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 5 - JIMMY BUTTWART EXTRAVAGANZA 

Post#421 » by Beenie » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:11 am

batterybro42 wrote:
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He has legitimately been trying to do it every offseason throughout his entire career, it has been so bad that they have not even bothered having him attempt then until now, but they are trying to do it so they can make the pairing work.



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A few posts ago you really tried to make the comparison between Anthony Davis and Bam in regards to their perimeter game. They are in entirely different leagues. Any team in the league will happily allow Bam to shoot anywhere from the mid range extended, it is bad offense.


Anthony Davis career FG% by distance
3-10 feet: 45.8% (22% of FGA)
10-16 feet: 42.1% (16% of FGA)
16-3P: 37.9% (18% of FGA)
3P: 29.8%

From last season's All-Star break to present, Anthony Davis is shooting 29.5% from 3 on 2 3PA per game.

Bam Adebayo career FG% by distance
3-10 feet: 46% (32% of FGA)
10-16 feet: 43% (21% of FGA)
16-3P: 33.5% (6% of FGA)
3P: 24%

From last season's All-Star break to present, Bam Adebayo is shooting 31% from 3 on 2 3PA per game.



Anthony Davis is a superior overall offensive player to Bam. I'm not arguing against that in the slightest. Anthony Davis is NOT in an "entirely different league" than Bam when it comes to perimeter game. AD is only a better shooter career-wise from 16 feet to the 3 pt line--and both are below 40%. I'd argue (and somewhat agree with you) that it's bad offense for either of those players to be taking those shots. Fortunately, Bam has always made it a much smaller percentage of his shot diet than AD.

AD is a superior offensive player to Bam mostly bc his scoring in proximity to the rim is on another level. He also has benefited from elite playmakers. Bam ain't about to become AD, but in terms of his functionality in a modern offense while playing with another big, it is absolutely an informative comparison.

Bam is going through a shooting slump and adapting to a shifted role and some of you all are losing your damn minds (or just being opportunistic in voicing resentments you've always had).

His playmaking has gone up this year and his role will continue to evolve with the mid-season insertion of Ware into the lineup.



If you actually watch the games it’s not a simple as you want to make it seem here in the metrics.

Bam is legitimately invited to shoot the basketball often times he isn’t even defended anywhere outside the paint aside from drive denials. It has no gravity or effect on the offense at all except for being a negative. It is not efficient and is a win for the defense every time if a Miami possession ends with Bam taking a mid range to a 3 point shot.

Anthony Davis is a proven shot maker in this league, if you leave him open he will bury that shot. He holds gravity everywhere on the offensive end and is a legitimate scorer of the basketball, and is defended like one.

Bam gets his points mainly because the defense allows him to take those really bad inefficient free throw line looks, and points off try hard dunk man stuff. He has no game, absolutely zero bag on offense. When he has great nights it’s often because the defense made the calculated gamble to let him shoot, and it just happened to not work out in their favor.

Now Miami is moving away from Bam being the try hard dunk man because we have a better one, and you can see the result. Now we have people pretending like he’s a 22 year old developing player and not an 8 year NBA veteran. He’s a great player but at 60 million dollars a year that juice isn’t worth the squeeze when you have a more talented big 7 years younger who is a better rim protector, better shooter, and a better lob threat. Not many guys not playing the 5 in this league who can’t shoot who are at the top of the game. Maybe you can provide some comps, also before you bring up the 2020 Lakers consider that was half a decade ago and the game has changed dramatically, and we don’t have a top 5 player in the games history on this team to carry, but you might be able to go really get some fire power to surround Ware and Herro with over 120 million in cap space and war chest of draft capital.

Bam might be one of the worst max players in the NBA that isn’t in their mid 30s and physically washed.

The Mercedes Benz of Joel Anthony’s

The Ja Morant of Willie Reeds


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Post#422 » by marson » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:17 am

Love to see Bam stans versus not so much stans going at it :lol:

at the end of the day we should all be Heat stans.
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Post#423 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:18 am

greg4012 wrote:
batterybro42 wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
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Anthony Davis career FG% by distance
3-10 feet: 45.8% (22% of FGA)
10-16 feet: 42.1% (16% of FGA)
16-3P: 37.9% (18% of FGA)
3P: 29.8%

From last season's All-Star break to present, Anthony Davis is shooting 29.5% from 3 on 2 3PA per game.

Bam Adebayo career FG% by distance
3-10 feet: 46% (32% of FGA)
10-16 feet: 43% (21% of FGA)
16-3P: 33.5% (6% of FGA)
3P: 24%

From last season's All-Star break to present, Bam Adebayo is shooting 31% from 3 on 2 3PA per game.



Anthony Davis is a superior overall offensive player to Bam. I'm not arguing against that in the slightest. Anthony Davis is NOT in an "entirely different league" than Bam when it comes to perimeter game. AD is only a better shooter career-wise from 16 feet to the 3 pt line--and both are below 40%. I'd argue (and somewhat agree with you) that it's bad offense for either of those players to be taking those shots. Fortunately, Bam has always made it a much smaller percentage of his shot diet than AD.

AD is a superior offensive player to Bam mostly bc his scoring in proximity to the rim is on another level. He also has benefited from elite playmakers. Bam ain't about to become AD, but in terms of his functionality in a modern offense while playing with another big, it is absolutely an informative comparison.

Bam is going through a shooting slump and adapting to a shifted role and some of you all are losing your damn minds (or just being opportunistic in voicing resentments you've always had).

His playmaking has gone up this year and his role will continue to evolve with the mid-season insertion of Ware into the lineup.



If you actually watch the games it’s not a simple as you want to make it seem here in the metrics.

Bam is legitimately invited to shoot the basketball often times he isn’t even defended anywhere outside the paint aside from drive denials. It has no gravity or effect on the offense at all except for being a negative. It is not efficient and is a win for the defense every time if a Miami possession ends with Bam taking a mid range to a 3 point shot.

Anthony Davis is a proven shot maker in this league, if you leave him open he will bury that shot. He holds gravity everywhere on the offensive end and is a legitimate scorer of the basketball, and is defended like one.

Bam gets his points mainly because the defense allows him to take those really bad inefficient free throw line looks, and points off try hard dunk man stuff. He has no game, absolutely zero bag on offense. When he has great nights it’s often because the defense made the calculated gamble to let him shoot, and it just happened to not work out in their favor.

Now Miami is moving away from Bam being the try hard dunk man because we have a better one, and you can see the result. Now we have people pretending like he’s a 22 year old developing player and not an 8 year NBA veteran. He’s a great player but at 60 million dollars a year that juice isn’t worth the squeeze when you have a more talented big 7 years younger who is a better rim protector, better shooter, and a better lob threat. Not many guys not playing the 5 in this league who can’t shoot who are at the top of the game. Maybe you can provide some comps, also before you bring up the 2020 Lakers consider that was half a decade ago and the game has changed dramatically, and we don’t have a top 5 player in the games history on this team to carry, but you might be able to go really get some fire power to surround Ware and Herro with over 120 million in cap space and war chest of draft capital.

Bam might be one of the worst max players in the NBA that isn’t in their mid 30s and physically washed.

The Mercedes Benz of Joel Anthony’s

The Ja Morant of Willie Reeds


Love the desperate nonsense you turn to when every fraudulent statement gets refuted and you have nothing else to turn to.

“If you only watched bro!”

Throw in a sad attempt at being clever (leave that to more creative ppl than yourself)

All the while make sure you constantly move the goalposts to cover for your original uneducated statements that you throw out based on pure emotion!

Distract and deflect! Can’t have anyone dwelling on all the dumb sh*t you said!

Own up to it instead of always backtracking and defaulting to the same tired crying.

You said a bunch of nonsense and are desperately attempting to bridge the gap to normalize it now.

The freak out about raw numbers in an inflationary salary cap NBA is pure scare tactic. Talk % of cap or sit down and learn

Yawn.

I’m going to enjoy you continuing to cry about this. I bet you were the type that always thought he was destined to be Tristan Thompson.

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Hahaha exactly what I said to you earlier, posters who can have an educated discussion are few and far between and they ignore the facts you bring and just spout a bunch of fuxkin nonsense. Dude literally just talked out of his ass for 8 paragraphs then you have some other Bam haters who will ride that coat tails of that BS
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Post#424 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:19 am

Beenie wrote:
batterybro42 wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Fan fiction





Anthony Davis career FG% by distance
3-10 feet: 45.8% (22% of FGA)
10-16 feet: 42.1% (16% of FGA)
16-3P: 37.9% (18% of FGA)
3P: 29.8%

From last season's All-Star break to present, Anthony Davis is shooting 29.5% from 3 on 2 3PA per game.

Bam Adebayo career FG% by distance
3-10 feet: 46% (32% of FGA)
10-16 feet: 43% (21% of FGA)
16-3P: 33.5% (6% of FGA)
3P: 24%

From last season's All-Star break to present, Bam Adebayo is shooting 31% from 3 on 2 3PA per game.



Anthony Davis is a superior overall offensive player to Bam. I'm not arguing against that in the slightest. Anthony Davis is NOT in an "entirely different league" than Bam when it comes to perimeter game. AD is only a better shooter career-wise from 16 feet to the 3 pt line--and both are below 40%. I'd argue (and somewhat agree with you) that it's bad offense for either of those players to be taking those shots. Fortunately, Bam has always made it a much smaller percentage of his shot diet than AD.

AD is a superior offensive player to Bam mostly bc his scoring in proximity to the rim is on another level. He also has benefited from elite playmakers. Bam ain't about to become AD, but in terms of his functionality in a modern offense while playing with another big, it is absolutely an informative comparison.

Bam is going through a shooting slump and adapting to a shifted role and some of you all are losing your damn minds (or just being opportunistic in voicing resentments you've always had).

His playmaking has gone up this year and his role will continue to evolve with the mid-season insertion of Ware into the lineup.



If you actually watch the games it’s not a simple as you want to make it seem here in the metrics.

Bam is legitimately invited to shoot the basketball often times he isn’t even defended anywhere outside the paint aside from drive denials. It has no gravity or effect on the offense at all except for being a negative. It is not efficient and is a win for the defense every time if a Miami possession ends with Bam taking a mid range to a 3 point shot.

Anthony Davis is a proven shot maker in this league, if you leave him open he will bury that shot. He holds gravity everywhere on the offensive end and is a legitimate scorer of the basketball, and is defended like one.

Bam gets his points mainly because the defense allows him to take those really bad inefficient free throw line looks, and points off try hard dunk man stuff. He has no game, absolutely zero bag on offense. When he has great nights it’s often because the defense made the calculated gamble to let him shoot, and it just happened to not work out in their favor.

Now Miami is moving away from Bam being the try hard dunk man because we have a better one, and you can see the result. Now we have people pretending like he’s a 22 year old developing player and not an 8 year NBA veteran. He’s a great player but at 60 million dollars a year that juice isn’t worth the squeeze when you have a more talented big 7 years younger who is a better rim protector, better shooter, and a better lob threat. Not many guys not playing the 5 in this league who can’t shoot who are at the top of the game. Maybe you can provide some comps, also before you bring up the 2020 Lakers consider that was half a decade ago and the game has changed dramatically, and we don’t have a top 5 player in the games history on this team to carry, but you might be able to go really get some fire power to surround Ware and Herro with over 120 million in cap space and war chest of draft capital.

Bam might be one of the worst max players in the NBA that isn’t in their mid 30s and physically washed.

The Mercedes Benz of Joel Anthony’s

The Ja Morant of Willie Reeds


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Post#425 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:21 am

Bam haters, what do you want? What will make you happy?

We can all acknowledge he’s having a down season for I’m sure a plethora of different factors but outside of pretending this is what he is and always has been (because that’s just complete fuxking nonsense) what would make you happy?
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Post#426 » by Beenie » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:22 am

Okay, just watched a quick highlight of this Wells guy.

Sold.

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Post#427 » by marson » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:23 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Bam haters, what do you want? What will make you happy?

We can all acknowledge he’s having a down season for I’m sure a plethora of different factors but outside of pretending this is what he is and always has been (because that’s just complete fuxking nonsense) what would make you happy?


I can understand why some people feel frustrated with Bam. He has the physical abilities and tools, which makes him one of the most maddening players to watch at times. But hey, let's give him a break—this season is rough, but it's one that can still be turned around.
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Post#428 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:23 am

marson wrote:Love to see Bam stans versus not so much stans going at it :lol:

at the end of the day we should all be Heat stans.



Its so funny to be labeled a Bam stan because you’re a Heat fan defending one of the more important and successful players in Heat history from complete nonsensical takes :lol:

Heats fans LOVE **** on this dude but when it’s all said and done he’ll be a top player in Heat history easily, now theyve just spent all these years being an idiotic fuxkin hater for no reason
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Post#429 » by greg4012 » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:27 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
batterybro42 wrote:

If you actually watch the games it’s not a simple as you want to make it seem here in the metrics.

Bam is legitimately invited to shoot the basketball often times he isn’t even defended anywhere outside the paint aside from drive denials. It has no gravity or effect on the offense at all except for being a negative. It is not efficient and is a win for the defense every time if a Miami possession ends with Bam taking a mid range to a 3 point shot.

Anthony Davis is a proven shot maker in this league, if you leave him open he will bury that shot. He holds gravity everywhere on the offensive end and is a legitimate scorer of the basketball, and is defended like one.

Bam gets his points mainly because the defense allows him to take those really bad inefficient free throw line looks, and points off try hard dunk man stuff. He has no game, absolutely zero bag on offense. When he has great nights it’s often because the defense made the calculated gamble to let him shoot, and it just happened to not work out in their favor.

Now Miami is moving away from Bam being the try hard dunk man because we have a better one, and you can see the result. Now we have people pretending like he’s a 22 year old developing player and not an 8 year NBA veteran. He’s a great player but at 60 million dollars a year that juice isn’t worth the squeeze when you have a more talented big 7 years younger who is a better rim protector, better shooter, and a better lob threat. Not many guys not playing the 5 in this league who can’t shoot who are at the top of the game. Maybe you can provide some comps, also before you bring up the 2020 Lakers consider that was half a decade ago and the game has changed dramatically, and we don’t have a top 5 player in the games history on this team to carry, but you might be able to go really get some fire power to surround Ware and Herro with over 120 million in cap space and war chest of draft capital.

Bam might be one of the worst max players in the NBA that isn’t in their mid 30s and physically washed.

The Mercedes Benz of Joel Anthony’s

The Ja Morant of Willie Reeds


Love the desperate nonsense you turn to when every fraudulent statement gets refuted and you have nothing else to turn to.

“If you only watched bro!”

Throw in a sad attempt at being clever (leave that to more creative ppl than yourself)

All the while make sure you constantly move the goalposts to cover for your original uneducated statements that you throw out based on pure emotion!

Distract and deflect! Can’t have anyone dwelling on all the dumb sh*t you said!

Own up to it instead of always backtracking and defaulting to the same tired crying.

You said a bunch of nonsense and are desperately attempting to bridge the gap to normalize it now.

The freak out about raw numbers in an inflationary salary cap NBA is pure scare tactic. Talk % of cap or sit down and learn

Yawn.

I’m going to enjoy you continuing to cry about this. I bet you were the type that always thought he was destined to be Tristan Thompson.

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Hahaha exactly what I said to you earlier, posters who can have an educated discussion are few and far between and they ignore the facts you bring and just spout a bunch of fuxkin nonsense. Dude literally just talked out of his ass for 8 paragraphs then you have some other Bam haters who will ride that coat tails of that BS


I care about the Miami Heat. I enjoy diving into this stuff. I take pride in having developed some insight from a lifetime of going to and watching games. Dude brings up concerns about fit with Bam and Ware in modern nba. I provide elaborate, research breakdown with empirical evidence refuting his concerns and misplaced counters and thus highlighting paths to how the offense can evolve to be complementary and productive for both.

Dude turns to the same tired distract, deflect and ALWAYS skirt accountability and pretends this is a discussion as to if Bam is AD paired with all the typical scary boy hits.

Clowns need to be told they’re clowns even if they pretend to not hear/see it.
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Post#430 » by marson » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:27 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
marson wrote:Love to see Bam stans versus not so much stans going at it :lol:

at the end of the day we should all be Heat stans.



Its so funny to be labeled a Bam stan because you’re a Heat fan defending one of the more important and successful players in Heat history from complete nonsensical takes :lol:

Heats fans LOVE **** on this dude but when it’s all said and done he’ll be a top player in Heat history easily, now theyve just spent all these years being an idiotic fuxkin hater for no reason


The Heat are having a rough season overall, and with Bam tired and in a funk, it's a perfect storm for struggles. I really feel like he needs this All-Star break more than anyone. I remember how he bounced back after the break in 2022 or last year—hopefully, something similar happens again.
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Post#431 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:27 am

marson wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Bam haters, what do you want? What will make you happy?

We can all acknowledge he’s having a down season for I’m sure a plethora of different factors but outside of pretending this is what he is and always has been (because that’s just complete fuxking nonsense) what would make you happy?


I can understand why some people feel frustrated with Bam. He has the physical abilities and tools, which makes him one of the most maddening players to watch at times. But hey, let's give him a break—this season is rough, but it's one that can still be turned around.


I am just genuinely curious because when he was averaging 22-10-5 pre Terry acquisition before his shots and usage dropped people were still bitching. When his defense was the key to slowing down guys like Embiid, Giannis, Tatum etc. in key moments people were still bitching. We do not make it out of the first round of our last finals run without Bam. We won games 4 and 5 off Jimmy’s elite offense to close (and Bams in game 5) coupled with Bam holding giannis to like 2-17 shooting over both those 4th quarters in games we won by a hair. No one else is doing that in the league. But they still weren’t happy so that’s why I’m asking

Edit: he was doing all this as a 3rd option by the way on a team that almost got the job done 3 out of 4 seasons (prior to Jimmy’s injured season last year) surrounded by not much talent if we’re being completely honest.
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Post#432 » by broke » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:28 am

I'm as critical of Bam as anyone but realistically if we're looking to offload Bam, this year isn't the year imo. My biggest issue with Bam isn't his effort or his defence or any of that, his biggest flaw imo is he has almost zero ability to create his own shot. And because we're void of any actual playmakers on this team he's suffering as a result. I think if we could get a real pg who can help other players get shots he will be just fine, what he brings defensively is just too important imo to just write him off at this stage.

Spo persisting with Terry is frustrating, I mean I get why, he's clearly down on confidence and benching him would only make that worse but damn he seems to bring the whole team down when he's on the floor. If he could hit half the layups he gets he'd be great but he misses so many shots close to the basket and I'd almost have a similar 3pt% than him and I haven't hooped in 20yrs lol.
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Post#433 » by greg4012 » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:31 am

marson wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
marson wrote:Love to see Bam stans versus not so much stans going at it :lol:

at the end of the day we should all be Heat stans.



Its so funny to be labeled a Bam stan because you’re a Heat fan defending one of the more important and successful players in Heat history from complete nonsensical takes :lol:

Heats fans LOVE **** on this dude but when it’s all said and done he’ll be a top player in Heat history easily, now theyve just spent all these years being an idiotic fuxkin hater for no reason


The Heat are having a rough season overall, and with Bam tired and in a funk, it's a perfect storm for struggles. I really feel like he needs this All-Star break more than anyone. I remember how he bounced back after the break in 2022 or last year—hopefully, something similar happens again.


Needs an offseason tbh and to just battle through the wonky moments in new scheme dynamics .

But be careful! He can’t steal any of the primary screening responsibilities from Ware despite Ware’s versatility being what makes him have a potential star trajectory. If Bam is the primary screener one more time, Ware will be wasted!

We all know each team needs one screener and if you’re floor spacing on a possession it’s basically being banned to hell!
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Post#434 » by Enso » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:32 am

So no news ?
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Post#435 » by DayofMourning » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:32 am

I think we should ride the Terry rollercoaster all the way to a top five pick.
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Post#436 » by marson » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:41 am

I remember the Big 3 era on this forum—Bosh was basically the scapegoat whenever we lost, haha.

In that first year, he got called soft, and the fanbase even wanted to trade him for Dwight Howard after that finals loss.

It's eerily similar to how Bam is viewed in today's forum.
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Post#437 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:43 am

broke wrote:I'm as critical of Bam as anyone but realistically if we're looking to offload Bam, this year isn't the year imo. My biggest issue with Bam isn't his effort or his defence or any of that, his biggest flaw imo is he has almost zero ability to create his own shot. And because we're void of any actual playmakers on this team he's suffering as a result. I think if we could get a real pg who can help other players get shots he will be just fine, what he brings defensively is just too important imo to just write him off at this stage.

Spo persisting with Terry is frustrating, I mean I get why, he's clearly down on confidence and benching him would only make that worse but damn he seems to bring the whole team down when he's on the floor. If he could hit half the layups he gets he'd be great but he misses so many shots close to the basket and I'd almost have a similar 3pt% than him and I haven't hooped in 20yrs lol.


No playmaker is the biggest issue for this team right now currently. We have several solid playmakers but we need a pass first 3 and D type PG or something that can control the game, or even someone like Fox who’s going to get you easy looks off his speed and attention alone. No one on our team garners much attention out on the perimeter outside of Duncan and Herro coming off Bams screens.

Despite Bam struggling to create for himself from time to time excluding Jimmy he is the best isolation player on this team and has been for years, we don’t have anyone that can cook someone off the dribble in isolation situation consistently and that’s huge, especially at the end of close games.

And to go a step further I also think having a really good playmaker that will find these guys more consistently and in their spots when they’re open (we miss several lobs and open guys every game simply because we lack vision or were thinking score first) will lead to all of our guys playing in a much better rhythm. You start the game 3-3 with 8 points because you got some free throws too you’re probably feeling pretty good going into your next few shots as opposed to the alternative
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 5 - JIMMY BUTTWART EXTRAVAGANZA 

Post#438 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:44 am

marson wrote:I remember the Big 3 era on this forum—Bosh was basically the scapegoat whenever we lost, haha.

In that first year, he got called soft, and the fanbase even wanted to trade him for Dwight Howard after that finals loss.

It's eerily similar to how Bam is viewed in today's forum.


I figured he was and I’ve been curious about this because they’ve played essentially the same role outside of this season with Bams usage and shots dropping. Bosh is now revered as a god, maybe Bam will get his flowers one day when it’s all said and done and his legacy here is stamped but man the hate on one of the future greats is wild to me
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 5 - JIMMY BUTTWART EXTRAVAGANZA 

Post#439 » by batterybro42 » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:49 am

greg4012 wrote:
batterybro42 wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
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Anthony Davis career FG% by distance
3-10 feet: 45.8% (22% of FGA)
10-16 feet: 42.1% (16% of FGA)
16-3P: 37.9% (18% of FGA)
3P: 29.8%

From last season's All-Star break to present, Anthony Davis is shooting 29.5% from 3 on 2 3PA per game.

Bam Adebayo career FG% by distance
3-10 feet: 46% (32% of FGA)
10-16 feet: 43% (21% of FGA)
16-3P: 33.5% (6% of FGA)
3P: 24%

From last season's All-Star break to present, Bam Adebayo is shooting 31% from 3 on 2 3PA per game.



Anthony Davis is a superior overall offensive player to Bam. I'm not arguing against that in the slightest. Anthony Davis is NOT in an "entirely different league" than Bam when it comes to perimeter game. AD is only a better shooter career-wise from 16 feet to the 3 pt line--and both are below 40%. I'd argue (and somewhat agree with you) that it's bad offense for either of those players to be taking those shots. Fortunately, Bam has always made it a much smaller percentage of his shot diet than AD.

AD is a superior offensive player to Bam mostly bc his scoring in proximity to the rim is on another level. He also has benefited from elite playmakers. Bam ain't about to become AD, but in terms of his functionality in a modern offense while playing with another big, it is absolutely an informative comparison.

Bam is going through a shooting slump and adapting to a shifted role and some of you all are losing your damn minds (or just being opportunistic in voicing resentments you've always had).

His playmaking has gone up this year and his role will continue to evolve with the mid-season insertion of Ware into the lineup.



If you actually watch the games it’s not a simple as you want to make it seem here in the metrics.

Bam is legitimately invited to shoot the basketball often times he isn’t even defended anywhere outside the paint aside from drive denials. It has no gravity or effect on the offense at all except for being a negative. It is not efficient and is a win for the defense every time if a Miami possession ends with Bam taking a mid range to a 3 point shot.

Anthony Davis is a proven shot maker in this league, if you leave him open he will bury that shot. He holds gravity everywhere on the offensive end and is a legitimate scorer of the basketball, and is defended like one.

Bam gets his points mainly because the defense allows him to take those really bad inefficient free throw line looks, and points off try hard dunk man stuff. He has no game, absolutely zero bag on offense. When he has great nights it’s often because the defense made the calculated gamble to let him shoot, and it just happened to not work out in their favor.

Now Miami is moving away from Bam being the try hard dunk man because we have a better one, and you can see the result. Now we have people pretending like he’s a 22 year old developing player and not an 8 year NBA veteran. He’s a great player but at 60 million dollars a year that juice isn’t worth the squeeze when you have a more talented big 7 years younger who is a better rim protector, better shooter, and a better lob threat. Not many guys not playing the 5 in this league who can’t shoot who are at the top of the game. Maybe you can provide some comps, also before you bring up the 2020 Lakers consider that was half a decade ago and the game has changed dramatically, and we don’t have a top 5 player in the games history on this team to carry, but you might be able to go really get some fire power to surround Ware and Herro with over 120 million in cap space and war chest of draft capital.

Bam might be one of the worst max players in the NBA that isn’t in their mid 30s and physically washed.

The Mercedes Benz of Joel Anthony’s

The Ja Morant of Willie Reeds


Love the desperate nonsense you turn to when every fraudulent statement gets refuted and you have nothing else to turn to.

“If you only watched bro!”

Throw in a sad attempt at being clever (leave that to more creative ppl than yourself)

All the while make sure you constantly move the goalposts to cover for your original uneducated statements that you throw out based on pure emotion!

Distract and deflect! Can’t have anyone dwelling on all the dumb sh*t you said!

Own up to it instead of always backtracking and defaulting to the same tired crying.

You said a bunch of nonsense and are desperately attempting to bridge the gap to normalize it now.

The freak out about raw numbers in an inflationary salary cap NBA is pure scare tactic. Talk % of cap or sit down and learn

Yawn.

I’m going to enjoy you continuing to cry about this. I bet you were the type that always thought he was destined to be Tristan Thompson.

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Where are all the great non 5s in the league who can’t shoot? Let’s list them all here in this thread
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 5 - JIMMY BUTTWART EXTRAVAGANZA 

Post#440 » by oreon » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:51 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
marson wrote:Love to see Bam stans versus not so much stans going at it :lol:

at the end of the day we should all be Heat stans.



Its so funny to be labeled a Bam stan because you’re a Heat fan defending one of the more important and successful players in Heat history from complete nonsensical takes :lol:

Heats fans LOVE **** on this dude but when it’s all said and done he’ll be a top player in Heat history easily, now theyve just spent all these years being an idiotic fuxkin hater for no reason


Bros a stan and he didn't know he was a stan. Most here aren't hating on Bam. Just if he continues to struggle Heat should be open to moving him. Same applies to Herro if he regresses badly. All options should be on the table in the offseason including blowing this up if Bam and Herro don't show something. They need to prove they are worth the money they are getting paid

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