Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[DusterBuster]

This will sound crazy but IF Portland wanted to dump Ayton’s massive salary in a Simons deal could we do that and how would that work. He’s owed 34M this season and 35M next season I believe. That would be a really big contract coming off our books in the summer of 2026.

God, reading the Orlando forum is the worst case of NBA trade blue balls.

Attaching Ayton to Simons would be a dream for every Blazer fan who want an actual youth rebuild aside from whatever this awful combo vet/youth 32ish win treadmill is.

[DusterBuster]

Trade the Farm for Fox

I think the Fox for sale train has left the station (if it even made the stop) now that they're winning again.

[DusterBuster]

This will sound crazy but IF Portland wanted to dump Ayton’s massive salary in a Simons deal could we do that and how would that work. He’s owed 34M this season and 35M next season I believe. That would be a really big contract coming off our books in the summer of 2026.

Sorry to double quote, but a thought I've always said is that I feel the talk around Ayton being unmovable due to his contract is insane considering he's expiring next year. He's certainly overpaid considering his effort comes and goes from game to game and he's injured more than anyone would like, but when he's healthy and engaged, he can be an effective player. If he were picked where a player like Bam was, no one would complain about Ayton... but him being a #1 pick, calling himself "Dominayton" when he's far from that... then being just kind of spoiled acting early in his career (his personality has not been an issue in Portland fwiw), I get why people have a bad opinion of him.

He reminds me a bit of Hassan Whiteside. He puts up good stats, but the impact of those stats just isn't felt anywhere on the court. He's just the textbook definition of "good".

But again, I go back to the thought that so many people consider him a toxic contract... and he's expiring next season... those two things just don't compute in my brain.

[Bensational]

I wonder if the Magic would be open to moving KCP over the next couple of seasons or if they plan to see his deal out? Was he signed as a Bruce Brown type overpaid role player who could be moved for a bigger name?

As good as he is defensively he doesn’t carry the same influence on the team that Suggs does, and it seems clear Suggs and Goga are the anchors to our defense. Does that make KCP (and WCJ) available for the right move starting this offseason?

[eyriq]

This will sound crazy but IF Portland wanted to dump Ayton’s massive salary in a Simons deal could we do that and how would that work. He’s owed 34M this season and 35M next season I believe. That would be a really big contract coming off our books in the summer of 2026.

God, reading the Orlando forum is the worst case of NBA trade blue balls.

Attaching Ayton to Simons would be a dream for every Blazer fan who want an actual youth rebuild aside from whatever this awful combo vet/youth 32ish win treadmill is.

Hahahahaha, this is great. Some of the fan base is starved for offense.

[ogmagicfan]

Trade the Farm for Fox

Perfect post right after my comment /s

If De'Aaron Fox had a more consistent 3 I would trade 3 1sts, AB & some expirings for him in a heartbeat

Problem is, he doesnt

[BadMofoPimp]

Trade the Farm for Fox

Perfect post right after my comment /s

If De'Aaron Fox had a more consistent 3 I would trade 3 1sts, AB & some expirings for him in a heartbeat

Problem is, he doesnt

Kings won 10 of last 12. I don't think in any realm are the Kings looking to trade away their franchise player.

[DusterBuster]

This will sound crazy but IF Portland wanted to dump Ayton’s massive salary in a Simons deal could we do that and how would that work. He’s owed 34M this season and 35M next season I believe. That would be a really big contract coming off our books in the summer of 2026.

God, reading the Orlando forum is the worst case of NBA trade blue balls.

Attaching Ayton to Simons would be a dream for every Blazer fan who want an actual youth rebuild aside from whatever this awful combo vet/youth 32ish win treadmill is.

Hahahahaha, this is great. Some of the fan base is starved for offense.

I mean, Ant and Ayton give offense, and CLEARLY Orlando needs it. That's something they're both really good at it - legit. Ant you guys know, but Ayton has a really great midrange game, best in the league for a big (at least was last season, havent checked that stat this year). And neither are terrible defenders either. Genuinely they're not. They're not great defenders, but they're somewhere between mediocre and good, on some nights.

Ayton gets a lot of hate that, as I mentioned, is partly deserved and partly not.

Both guys would be amazing for Orlando. Ayton would be an upgrade over Carter for Orlando and Simons is a near perfect fit for what you guys have already.

As I've said before on this board and the Blazer board, my reason for wanting them gone isn't because I think they're bad players, they just completely don't fit with what the Blazers should be doing right now (playing young guys as many minutes as they can and losing games like crazy). Talented veterans with experience on good teams like Ant and Ayton only push the Blazers further away from a Top 4 lottery pick (lottery luck not withstanding) and hinder the young players development because they end up with inconsistent roles. Billups keeps moving both Scoot and Sharpe in and out of the starting lineup which does no good for anyone.

[BadMofoPimp]

God, reading the Orlando forum is the worst case of NBA trade blue balls.

Attaching Ayton to Simons would be a dream for every Blazer fan who want an actual youth rebuild aside from whatever this awful combo vet/youth 32ish win treadmill is.

Hahahahaha, this is great. Some of the fan base is starved for offense.

I mean, Ant and Ayton give offense, and CLEARLY Orlando needs it. That's something they're both really good at it - legit. Ant you guys know, but Ayton has a really great midrange game, best in the league for a big (at least was last season, havent checked that stat this year). And neither are terrible defenders either. Genuinely they're not. They're not great defenders, but they're somewhere between mediocre and good, on some nights.

Ayton gets a lot of hate that, as I mentioned, is partly deserved and partly not.

Both guys would be amazing for Orlando. Ayton would be an upgrade over Carter for Orlando and Simons is a near perfect fit for what you guys have already.

As I've said before on this board and the Blazer board, my reason for wanting them gone isn't because I think they're bad players, they just completely don't fit with what the Blazers should be doing right now (playing young guys as many minutes as they can and losing games like crazy). Talented veterans with experience on good teams like Ant and Ayton only push the Blazers further away from a Top 4 lottery pick (lottery luck not withstanding) and hinder the young players development because they end up with inconsistent roles. Billups keeps moving both Scoot and Sharpe in and out of the starting lineup which does no good for anyone.

If the Magic were crazy enough to trade for both of them, the Magic sending out Isaac, Cole and WCJ.

[DusterBuster]

Hahahahaha, this is great. Some of the fan base is starved for offense.

I mean, Ant and Ayton give offense, and CLEARLY Orlando needs it. That's something they're both really good at it - legit. Ant you guys know, but Ayton has a really great midrange game, best in the league for a big (at least was last season, havent checked that stat this year). And neither are terrible defenders either. Genuinely they're not. They're not great defenders, but they're somewhere between mediocre and good, on some nights.

Ayton gets a lot of hate that, as I mentioned, is partly deserved and partly not.

Both guys would be amazing for Orlando. Ayton would be an upgrade over Carter for Orlando and Simons is a near perfect fit for what you guys have already.

As I've said before on this board and the Blazer board, my reason for wanting them gone isn't because I think they're bad players, they just completely don't fit with what the Blazers should be doing right now (playing young guys as many minutes as they can and losing games like crazy). Talented veterans with experience on good teams like Ant and Ayton only push the Blazers further away from a Top 4 lottery pick (lottery luck not withstanding) and hinder the young players development because they end up with inconsistent roles. Billups keeps moving both Scoot and Sharpe in and out of the starting lineup which does no good for anyone.

If the Magic were crazy enough to trade for both of them, the Magic sending out Isaac, Cole and WCJ.

Blazers (if I were running them) genuinely wouldn't care about what players are coming back, as long as none of them have egregiously longer contracts than what is going out. All they should be caring about is draft compensation.

Again, if it were up to me, if attaching Ayton to a deal is going to depress the return for Simons, I would just keep Ayton. He expires next year, so who cares if they keep him. Clingan is showing a tonnnnn of promise, but he can start mid-next season and it's not a determinant to his development like Ant is to Scoot.

[basketballRob]

Dead last in the league in 3-point percentage
Dead last in points per game
28th in 3-Pointers Made
28th in FG%

But let's not cut corners! We have make room for Black (24.5% from three) to develop! In another 5-6 years he'll be a stud!

Suggs shot 215 when he was his age. Franz shot 26% last season. Actually, Black has shot around 330 for his career.

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[I Rasharted]

Facts. The writing is on the wall.

The writing was actually on a 5-year contact extension….

Do you think that it's AB vs Suggs or AB & Suggs? Can they coexist if neither are viable 3rd options? If neither is, who is the most vulnerable?

It should be AB vs. Suggs but I think in Weltman's mind it's "pair defensive ace guards with Banchero and Wagner print wins lol." No, they can't co-exist if neither are 3rd options. Black is worth more in a trade, so he's more vulnerable (until/if he develops).

In a perfect world I'm pairing a mature Black with a scoring SG in or near his prime.

[Skybox]

God, reading the Orlando forum is the worst case of NBA trade blue balls.

Attaching Ayton to Simons would be a dream for every Blazer fan who want an actual youth rebuild aside from whatever this awful combo vet/youth 32ish win treadmill is.

Hahahahaha, this is great. Some of the fan base is starved for offense.

I mean, Ant and Ayton give offense, and CLEARLY Orlando needs it. That's something they're both really good at it - legit. Ant you guys know, but Ayton has a really great midrange game, best in the league for a big (at least was last season, havent checked that stat this year). And neither are terrible defenders either. Genuinely they're not. They're not great defenders, but they're somewhere between mediocre and good, on some nights.

Ayton gets a lot of hate that, as I mentioned, is partly deserved and partly not.

Both guys would be amazing for Orlando. Ayton would be an upgrade over Carter for Orlando and Simons is a near perfect fit for what you guys have already.

As I've said before on this board and the Blazer board, my reason for wanting them gone isn't because I think they're bad players, they just completely don't fit with what the Blazers should be doing right now (playing young guys as many minutes as they can and losing games like crazy). Talented veterans with experience on good teams like Ant and Ayton only push the Blazers further away from a Top 4 lottery pick (lottery luck not withstanding) and hinder the young players development because they end up with inconsistent roles. Billups keeps moving both Scoot and Sharpe in and out of the starting lineup which does no good for anyone.

I don’t think Ayton is terrible…but he’d be a waste next to Paolo & Franz…his game is offense, not an exceptional rebounder or defender. I’d like to bundle Time Lord (lesser player, more injury issues, better fit) with Simons…obviously, in a bigger trade, given ORL’s lack of depth, due to Moe’s injury and WCJ’s unreliability (ironically, Goga is out too at the moment).

I wonder if Clingan next to Ayton gets any traction? Two massive guys, one a big scorer, the other projected to be an elite defender…I’m guessing neither is nimble enough to switch out on the perimeter, which is murderin today’s NBA.

[Skybox]

The writing was actually on a 5-year contact extension….

Do you think that it's AB vs Suggs or AB & Suggs? Can they coexist if neither are viable 3rd options? If neither is, who is the most vulnerable?

It should be AB vs. Suggs but I think in Weltman's mind it's "pair defensive ace guards with Banchero and Wagner print wins lol." No, they can't co-exist if neither are 3rd options. Black is worth more in a trade, so he's more vulnerable (until/if he develops).

In a perfect world I'm pairing a mature Black with a scoring SG in or near his prime.

Exactly, imo, add Simons/Sexton off the bench (but getting plenty of minutes), with KCP/Suggs starting…if (when) it becomes obvious that the starting backcourt is bogging down the starting frontcourt…consider changes. KCP is a very capable contributor at 2 positions- nobody is promised a starting spot…I think, if it became an issue, lots of contenders would value him- I still value KCP…I just don’t like the bigger picture

[Blue_and_Whte]

God, reading the Orlando forum is the worst case of NBA trade blue balls.

Attaching Ayton to Simons would be a dream for every Blazer fan who want an actual youth rebuild aside from whatever this awful combo vet/youth 32ish win treadmill is.

Hahahahaha, this is great. Some of the fan base is starved for offense.

I mean, Ant and Ayton give offense, and CLEARLY Orlando needs it. That's something they're both really good at it - legit. Ant you guys know, but Ayton has a really great midrange game, best in the league for a big (at least was last season, havent checked that stat this year). And neither are terrible defenders either. Genuinely they're not. They're not great defenders, but they're somewhere between mediocre and good, on some nights.

Ayton gets a lot of hate that, as I mentioned, is partly deserved and partly not.

Both guys would be amazing for Orlando. Ayton would be an upgrade over Carter for Orlando and Simons is a near perfect fit for what you guys have already.

As I've said before on this board and the Blazer board, my reason for wanting them gone isn't because I think they're bad players, they just completely don't fit with what the Blazers should be doing right now (playing young guys as many minutes as they can and losing games like crazy). Talented veterans with experience on good teams like Ant and Ayton only push the Blazers further away from a Top 4 lottery pick (lottery luck not withstanding) and hinder the young players development because they end up with inconsistent roles. Billups keeps moving both Scoot and Sharpe in and out of the starting lineup which does no good for anyone.

Laughing at fans wanting a competent offense for a team with a severely incompetent offense is wild.

[Skybox]

Facts. The writing is on the wall.

The writing was actually on a 5-year contact extension….

Do you think that it's AB vs Suggs or AB & Suggs? Can they coexist if neither are viable 3rd options? If neither is, who is the most vulnerable?

The ONLY way AB “ prevails” over Suggs is if Suggs is moved in a BIG deal, like Fox, for example…I don’t think Suggs is going anywhere, so I think hard decisions will be made before AB’s extension is upon us…Suggs, KCP, and AB are all somewhat redundant, as is, so I don’t see ORL paying all 3 - unless AB has some kind of mental breakthrough. Despite KCP’s age, I’m guessing he’s got the pole position over AB, because I could see another team thinking THEY could be the ones to unlock AB’s SGA upside.

[I Rasharted]

Do you think that it's AB vs Suggs or AB & Suggs? Can they coexist if neither are viable 3rd options? If neither is, who is the most vulnerable?

It should be AB vs. Suggs but I think in Weltman's mind it's "pair defensive ace guards with Banchero and Wagner print wins lol." No, they can't co-exist if neither are 3rd options. Black is worth more in a trade, so he's more vulnerable (until/if he develops).

In a perfect world I'm pairing a mature Black with a scoring SG in or near his prime.

Exactly, imo, add Simons/Sexton off the bench (but getting plenty of minutes), with KCP/Suggs starting…if (when) it becomes obvious that the starting backcourt is bogging down the starting frontcourt…consider changes. KCP is a very capable contributor at 2 positions- nobody is promised a starting spot…I think, if it became an issue, lots of contenders would value him- I still value KCP…I just don’t like the bigger picture

I was talking two years down the road and would want an SG better than Simons or Sexton, but yeah, agreed.

[Skybox]

I've consistently been in the camp to not make a all-in move,but instead make a move that gives us a PG for the meantime for a season or 2 to let our players play with more space and pace while we evaluate the potential of all our young pieces.

Moving a 1st rounder or a couple 2nd with Jett and an expiring attached is something alot of teams would bite on

What is an all-in move, in your opinion?

I think 90% of the ones proposed are sending out minimal rotation guys and a late frp or srps and return a guy with one more season under contract…by all-in do you mean something riskier and more substantial, like Fox?

A trade for Fox is a good example. A trade for Donovan when the Cavs traded for him is another one because it was too early in our developmental

I'm also reluctant to make overpays as well. No matter how many 1st we have on hand. If we're moving 2 1sts for a player I'm expecting a above average starter in the NBA.

I want us to make a move, but to be level headed and not reactionary because of the problems we've faced.

If we’re being level-headed…what are the REAL odds that, even with TWO swings, one of those priceless 25 frps gets you a true starter, let alone an “above average starter”?

The guys we’re often discussing (Simons & Sexton) are already above average starters, but this team is already stacked with elite defenders in the starting backcourt…if we’re being honest, outside of Mose’s vision (which I’m not suggesting we abandon), both of them are already more impactful as NBA players than any of our present guards…you can make a good argument about Suggs’ defense being game changing…but, outside of our little ORL cocoon, young, freakishly athletic guys that routinely score 25 pts and hit on 40% from 3 most nights are not laughed off.

[Skybox]

It should be AB vs. Suggs but I think in Weltman's mind it's "pair defensive ace guards with Banchero and Wagner print wins lol." No, they can't co-exist if neither are 3rd options. Black is worth more in a trade, so he's more vulnerable (until/if he develops).

In a perfect world I'm pairing a mature Black with a scoring SG in or near his prime.

Exactly, imo, add Simons/Sexton off the bench (but getting plenty of minutes), with KCP/Suggs starting…if (when) it becomes obvious that the starting backcourt is bogging down the starting frontcourt…consider changes. KCP is a very capable contributor at 2 positions- nobody is promised a starting spot…I think, if it became an issue, lots of contenders would value him- I still value KCP…I just don’t like the bigger picture

I was talking two years down the road and would want an SG better than Simons or Sexton, but yeah, agreed.

More shooting guards? I give up

[BadMofoPimp]

I mean, Ant and Ayton give offense, and CLEARLY Orlando needs it. That's something they're both really good at it - legit. Ant you guys know, but Ayton has a really great midrange game, best in the league for a big (at least was last season, havent checked that stat this year). And neither are terrible defenders either. Genuinely they're not. They're not great defenders, but they're somewhere between mediocre and good, on some nights.

Ayton gets a lot of hate that, as I mentioned, is partly deserved and partly not.

Both guys would be amazing for Orlando. Ayton would be an upgrade over Carter for Orlando and Simons is a near perfect fit for what you guys have already.

As I've said before on this board and the Blazer board, my reason for wanting them gone isn't because I think they're bad players, they just completely don't fit with what the Blazers should be doing right now (playing young guys as many minutes as they can and losing games like crazy). Talented veterans with experience on good teams like Ant and Ayton only push the Blazers further away from a Top 4 lottery pick (lottery luck not withstanding) and hinder the young players development because they end up with inconsistent roles. Billups keeps moving both Scoot and Sharpe in and out of the starting lineup which does no good for anyone.

If the Magic were crazy enough to trade for both of them, the Magic sending out Isaac, Cole and WCJ.

Blazers (if I were running them) genuinely wouldn't care about what players are coming back, as long as none of them have egregiously longer contracts than what is going out. All they should be caring about is draft compensation.

Again, if it were up to me, if attaching Ayton to a deal is going to depress the return for Simons, I would just keep Ayton. He expires next year, so who cares if they keep him. Clingan is showing a tonnnnn of promise, but he can start mid-next season and it's not a determinant to his development like Ant is to Scoot.

Would probably have to be a 3 to 4 team trade deal.