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2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 5 - JIMMY BUTTWART EXTRAVAGANZA

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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 5 - JIMMY BUTTWART EXTRAVAGANZA 

Post#501 » by Wiltside » Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:18 am

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Wiltside wrote:Bam isn’t on Bosh’s level as an offensive option and shot creator. But frankly I don’t want to get into this discussion again. Carry on.

Also, enough of the personal attacks. I’m too old, tired and cranky to be phucked policing this but I’ll start doling out some time off if people don’t cool it.

Like i been saying mate i’m doing right by putting fools on foes list. It’s useless if i can still see posts frm quotes & clown still on the same bs for the last 3+yrs. Suspend me, you’d prob do me a fave. I do enjoy reading everyone elses posts & opinions. Fake fans following 1 player w/ the same shtick…..not so much. Lots people tired of it in here. Relentless w/ his rubbish


I don’t control the site and how it functions man. I also can’t control what other posters post. If you disagree with a take, either comment why you disagree or just continue to ignore the post. Conversation can move on.
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Post#502 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:22 am

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3ballbomber wrote:
Wiltside wrote:Bam isn’t on Bosh’s level as an offensive option and shot creator. But frankly I don’t want to get into this discussion again. Carry on.

Also, enough of the personal attacks. I’m too old, tired and cranky to be phucked policing this but I’ll start doling out some time off if people don’t cool it.

Like i been saying mate i’m doing right by putting fools on foes list. It’s useless if i can still see posts frm quotes & clown still on the same bs for the last 3+yrs. Suspend me, you’d prob do me a fave. I do enjoy reading everyone elses posts & opinions. Fake fans following 1 player w/ the same shtick…..not so much. Lots people tired of it in here. Relentless w/ his rubbish


I don’t control the site and how it functions man. I also can’t control what other posters post. If you disagree with a take, either comment why you disagree or just continue to ignore the post. Conversation can move on.


You handing out time off or nah? That’s 2-3 more personal attacks after your warning
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Post#503 » by 3ballbomber » Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:37 am

Wiltside wrote:
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Wiltside wrote:Bam isn’t on Bosh’s level as an offensive option and shot creator. But frankly I don’t want to get into this discussion again. Carry on.

Also, enough of the personal attacks. I’m too old, tired and cranky to be phucked policing this but I’ll start doling out some time off if people don’t cool it.

Like i been saying mate i’m doing right by putting fools on foes list. It’s useless if i can still see posts frm quotes & clown still on the same bs for the last 3+yrs. Suspend me, you’d prob do me a fave. I do enjoy reading everyone elses posts & opinions. Fake fans following 1 player w/ the same shtick…..not so much. Lots people tired of it in here. Relentless w/ his rubbish


I don’t control the site and how it functions man. I also can’t control what other posters post. If you disagree with a take, either comment why you disagree or just continue to ignore the post. Conversation can move on.


I think it’s evidently clear why his posts have garnered disagreement & criticism. I move on but i continue to read the same ish. I was away majority of 2024 to get a rest frm this place only to come back & read dude on the same BS :o Nobody else is relentless w/ homerism on this board. He’s being called out on it, not just frm me. What do you expect!

I love Wade but I didn’t go around blindly slurpin’ him all over this board for the duration he was here. Hell i love Herro i don’t mention or blindly defend him, finding stats & bombarding posters w/ them every day, every opportunity. Im not going to irk, annoy & rub people the wrong way daily. I’ma keep calling him out until he relaxes w/ the bs & homerism.

We support Bam but damn dude makes us irritated unnecessary w/ him cos of his daily constant caper. Just makes it worse cos his not even a true Heat follower, just a player fan & then has the gull to tell cats they’re culture vultures. Seriously enough w/ the phukery!!
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Post#504 » by Pokuokic » Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:37 am

There is no way in hell the Grizzlies are giving up Wells who is on a second round contract and starting level player for a Jimmy rental.
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Post#505 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:46 am

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Seems like Bam should go the Draymond Green rout - focus on defense, passing, hitting wide open 3's, get to the line.

Honestly very disappointing with his struggles, but he's just not that good as an offensive player. it is what it is.

With Ware looking like a stud, Spo's biggest challenge going forward is simple -



I actually think he’s got it in him to score, he just a p*ssy. P*ssies shld nvr be team captain. Makes the rest p*ssies too. Can’t follow that lead. Strip him of that title as he does not personify the culture. Zo, UD now thems is MEN! Like many Bam got paid way too early. Now he can afford to be a p*ssy. What’s it matter to him when he rollin’ in dough.


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Post#506 » by Trapstar3 » Sat Jan 25, 2025 7:22 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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Y’all hated this Bam too, I was here, I remember.



Not a damn soul was hating on Bam that stretch, he was on the NBA's MVP ladder at Number 8 if I'm not mistaken.
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Post#507 » by powerball1373 » Sat Jan 25, 2025 7:46 am

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:I don't think its a tank. If I had to guess for a logical reason though, probably Terry is just a really good team first guy who busts his ass in practice and is rewarded for it, simple as. And its not like he's holding us back from being a top 2-3 team, more like cost us a couple wins maybe.

I agree he should be relegated to 10th man or below status, but its not like he's a malcontent or the other players don't like him or anything. He just has low basketball IQ, but a really high motor, and happens to play the one position we are thinnest at.


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Post#508 » by dshearn » Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:13 am

DayofMourning wrote:Could Ware become our top point getter?

Herro has to work his ass off to get his.

Ware makes it look easy.



That is what sticks with me about Ware too... dude never seems hurried, he always seems calm around the basket.


Defenders are going to have to work at making him uncomfortable, that has got to be good for the rest of the team. If the dude can start drawing attention like Duncan has done even if that attention effects him like it has Duncan...it has got to open things up for others.

Remember those hand full of games we got JJJ in the weak side dunker spot? I wonder if Ware getting increased attention, could open that back up. That was one of the best version of JJJ I have seen, it just did not last too long. With the Jimmy ISO stuff over with...I really hope JJJ gets that weak side stuff.

Anyway.... I am just stoked that Heat got what appears to be a stud in Ware. Dude looks like a straight up difference maker.
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Post#509 » by ZoStrong » Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:19 am

Wiltside wrote:Bam isn’t on Bosh’s level as an offensive option and shot creator. But frankly I don’t want to get into this discussion again. Carry on.

Also, enough of the personal attacks. I’m too old, tired and cranky to be phucked policing this but I’ll start doling out some time off if people don’t cool it.



Yup, idk how people forget that Bosh was one of the best offensive big men of his era before joining Heat. Bosh never really used 3 because he's got so many moves to score. Only worked on it cuz he had to expand the space for Bron n Wade to attack.

I sometimes wish Bron never came here so we could've seen the Wade n Bosh team. We probably still make the finals. (LeBron in Cleveland or NY don't stand in the way) Maybe not all 4 years. But who knows, with some other helps that we would've gotten w the Bron money, maybe we still win two rings, lol
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Post#510 » by Pokuokic » Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:56 am

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Y’all hated this Bam too, I was here, I remember.



Not a damn soul was hating on Bam that stretch, he was on the NBA's MVP ladder at Number 8 if I'm not mistaken.

Joakim Noah finished top 5 in MVP voting and actually won DPOY (much higher IQ/passing skills than Bam} and I don't think anyone considered him a franchise player and he like Bam got trashed by skilled big men in the playoffs (no shame getting owned by stronger/more skilled players) I don't think he ever got max money either (could be wrong)

If you are not a threat to single handedly win games and carry a team on offense (scoring/playmaking) your not a elite player no matter how good you are on defense or doing the little things. No one fears Bams middies/open dunks most the time him scoring does very little to impact the game. He's a super role player and a great piece to have if he were making Tyler Herro type money.

The guy does not have the natural tools (e.g getting to a spot/natural creativity/touch/soft hands) to be a elite player despite insane physical gifts. Giving max money to player who consistently can't take over a game offensively is suicide. Bams a good player clearly and clearly someone you would love playing with but that's reality they overpaid for him.
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Post#511 » by RexBoyWonder » Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:46 am

I don't think anyone here "hates" Bam. We're all Heat fans and want him to do well.

At the same time we need to be realisitc about his shortcomings. He's not a natural leading scorer.

With that said, he can be a great piece ON THE RIGHT ROSTER.

Luckily it looks like we got a steal with Ware who seems to have the tools and touch to be very capable scoring option. So hopefully once we get that 1A type of leading scorer (currently don't have one) everything falls into place, including Bam's role and packing order on offense.

First scoring option - Fox?
Second - Herro
third/4th - Ware/Bam
5th - Jovic? Jamie? new guy?

This all roster is in flux, nobody's role is very well defined right now. We need some moves and more time to balance this team and make it fit together.
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Post#512 » by Pokuokic » Sat Jan 25, 2025 11:28 am

RexBoyWonder wrote:I don't think anyone here "hates" Bam. We're all Heat fans and want him to do well.

At the same time we need to be realisitc about his shortcomings. He's not a natural leading scorer.

With that said, he can be a great piece ON THE RIGHT ROSTER.

Luckily it looks like we got a steal with Ware who seems to have the tools and touch to be very capable scoring option. So hopefully once we get that 1A type of leading scorer (currently don't have one) everything falls into place, including Bam's role and packing order on offense.

First scoring option - Fox?
Second - Herro
third/4th - Ware/Bam
5th - Jovic? Jamie? new guy?

This all roster is in flux, nobody's role is very well defined right now. We need some moves and more time to balance this team and make it fit together.

Any top 50 player would be a great piece on the right roster and finding a 1a option is literally the hardest thing to do and is even harder when you give max deals to good role players. The Heat couldn't get past prime Lillard but somehow they will get prime Fox.....It's always something with Bam he needs the right team, he needs to play PF he needs a PG, he needs a 1a scorer well good luck trying to get all those things this ain't team USA.
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Post#513 » by 3ballbomber » Sat Jan 25, 2025 11:54 am

Pokuokic wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:I don't think anyone here "hates" Bam. We're all Heat fans and want him to do well.

At the same time we need to be realisitc about his shortcomings. He's not a natural leading scorer.

With that said, he can be a great piece ON THE RIGHT ROSTER.

Luckily it looks like we got a steal with Ware who seems to have the tools and touch to be very capable scoring option. So hopefully once we get that 1A type of leading scorer (currently don't have one) everything falls into place, including Bam's role and packing order on offense.

First scoring option - Fox?
Second - Herro
third/4th - Ware/Bam
5th - Jovic? Jamie? new guy?

This all roster is in flux, nobody's role is very well defined right now. We need some moves and more time to balance this team and make it fit together.

Any top 50 player would be a great piece on the right roster and finding a 1a option is literally the hardest thing to do and is even harder when you give max deals to good role players. The Heat couldn't get past prime Lillard but somehow they will get prime Fox.....It's always something with Bam he needs the right team, he needs to play PF he needs a PG, he needs a 1a scorer well good luck trying to get all those things this ain't team USA.


Both have a point. nothing is defined w/ this team especially now w/ Butler out. We have had a gaping hole in the 1 spot which wld open up everybody’s gm. Navigating our Young players development & fitting them into the fold. But w/ Ware’s emergence he better rounds out the team & now w/ Jimmy trade cld potentially fill more gaps. So we’re in the process of shaping out this team which may take some time.

W/ that said there has been a lot of excuses for Bam. He has his opportunities but doesn’t embrace each of them fully & capitalise off them. Yes we know he lacks an offensive game but what many don’t mention is it’s not just his lack of skillset it’s also his lack of toughness in mindset, which if he did not wld prob have less issues offensively. Bball isn’t just skills/physical a lot of it is mental. You simply don’t pay that type of money to mental midgets. Unfortunately that’s the nature of todays NBA climate. You pay players off their potential before they’ve truly earned anything as Jordan stated yrs ago. Many players don’t deserve their contract. Nobody wld have issues if Bam was making less money.
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Post#514 » by SA37 » Sat Jan 25, 2025 12:56 pm

I am going to try to give some of the convo flowing here some direction/context. Given the seemingly minimal options for landing spots for Butler AND Miami's apparent desire to avoid taking contracts that go beyond 2026 barring a long-term piece (only see Zion fitting this criteria based on who is available):

1. I am curious as to whether or not the franchise sees Herro's play this year as something they'd like to continue to pursue and build around or if they think him doing so much on offense is ok for now, but will cut it back if/when they can bring other players in.

2. I wonder whether the franchise still takes the view Herro/Bam is 1 player away from having a trio that gets you in the running for a title or if they think they need two players who are better than them.

Bam, imo, is basically a bigger, better version of Draymond Green and Herro is a good but, like Bam, I just don't see him being a perennial all-star or all-NBA team guy.

3. I'd like to know if Miami still sees Robinson putting up as many 3s as possible as part of a winning strategy and if they'd like to re-sign him at a more manageable number when his contract runs out.

4. Lastly, I am super curious to see if Miami uses the Butler trade demand to make big roster changes with some combo of Rozier, Robinson, JJJ, K Love being shipped out. It seems like it is going to require 4-6 teams, depending on where Butler ends up, and that must mean A LOT of people are going to be on the move.
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Post#515 » by marson » Sat Jan 25, 2025 1:18 pm

SA37 wrote:I am going to try to give some of the convo flowing here some direction/context. Given the seemingly minimal options for landing spots for Butler AND Miami's apparent desire to avoid taking contracts that go beyond 2026 barring a long-term piece (only see Zion fitting this criteria based on who is available):

1. I am curious as to whether or not the franchise sees Herro's play this year as something they'd like to continue to pursue and build around or if they think him doing so much on offense is ok for now, but will cut it back if/when they can bring other players in.

2. I wonder whether the franchise still takes the view Herro/Bam is 1 player away from having a trio that gets you in the running for a title or if they think they need two players who are better than them.

Bam, imo, is basically a bigger, better version of Draymond Green and Herro is a good but, like Bam, I just don't see him being a perennial all-star or all-NBA team guy.

3. I'd like to know if Miami still sees Robinson putting up as many 3s as possible as part of a winning strategy and if they'd like to re-sign him at a more manageable number when his contract runs out.

4. Lastly, I am super curious to see if Miami uses the Butler trade demand to make big roster changes with some combo of Rozier, Robinson, JJJ, K Love being shipped out. It seems like it is going to require 4-6 teams, depending on where Butler ends up, and that must mean A LOT of people are going to be on the move.


1. This is the plan, 100%. Herro, Bam, Ware, Jovic, Jaquez, and Larsson are the key building blocks moving forward.

2. By 2026, we might have more clarity on this. Every year, there's some NBA drama with superstars requesting trades, so we need to position ourselves well for that kind of scenario. But as currently constructed, need an Alpha superstar to be competitive.

3. I believe Robinson will either be extended on a favorable deal after his contract expires next season or be used as a trade asset, or they’ll just simply let him walk. But my guess would be friendly deal because of his existing chemistry with Bam and Herro.

4. This won’t happen this season. Rozier and Robinson's contracts both expire next year, not seeing other teams taking their negative value, but next year would be different and easier to move them.
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Post#516 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sat Jan 25, 2025 1:56 pm

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What an absolute mess this is. Butler should probably just lay low in Miami right now. He thinking chit still gonna be sweet for him out in these streets
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Post#517 » by contract » Sat Jan 25, 2025 1:57 pm

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RexBoyWonder wrote:I don't think anyone here "hates" Bam. We're all Heat fans and want him to do well.

At the same time we need to be realisitc about his shortcomings. He's not a natural leading scorer.

With that said, he can be a great piece ON THE RIGHT ROSTER.

Luckily it looks like we got a steal with Ware who seems to have the tools and touch to be very capable scoring option. So hopefully once we get that 1A type of leading scorer (currently don't have one) everything falls into place, including Bam's role and packing order on offense.

First scoring option - Fox?
Second - Herro
third/4th - Ware/Bam
5th - Jovic? Jamie? new guy?

This all roster is in flux, nobody's role is very well defined right now. We need some moves and more time to balance this team and make it fit together.

Any top 50 player would be a great piece on the right roster and finding a 1a option is literally the hardest thing to do and is even harder when you give max deals to good role players. The Heat couldn't get past prime Lillard but somehow they will get prime Fox.....It's always something with Bam he needs the right team, he needs to play PF he needs a PG, he needs a 1a scorer well good luck trying to get all those things this ain't team USA.

That's not a Bam thing, that's a Heat fan thing. Some fans are obsessed with size. They grew up watching a different era of basketball and they just can't get over it. Small ball has taken us further than the Alonzo Mourning/PJ Brown/Jamal Mashburn front line ever did, but some fans would still prefer to have that bigger front line.

Bam's position should be C because that's where his weaknesses can be minimized, and his quickness and athleticism give him the greatest matchup advantage. It's not too much different that Zo. Moving Zo away from the paint on either end would have diminished his value.

And Bam doesn't need a PG. This TEAM needs a PG. We need someone that is good at creating opportunities for other players. Actually we could use more than one of those.
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Post#518 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:06 pm

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Y’all hated this Bam too, I was here, I remember.



Not a damn soul was hating on Bam that stretch, he was on the NBA's MVP ladder at Number 8 if I'm not mistaken.


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Post#519 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:09 pm

I was watching Edey and Jackson Jr do some serious damage last night as a massive front court. No reason we can’t have the same effect here. Grizzlies just have better pieces around those guys. We keep playing a guard who’s like 2/100 from 3
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Post#520 » by contract » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:15 pm

SA37 wrote:I am going to try to give some of the convo flowing here some direction/context. Given the seemingly minimal options for landing spots for Butler AND Miami's apparent desire to avoid taking contracts that go beyond 2026 barring a long-term piece (only see Zion fitting this criteria based on who is available):

1. I am curious as to whether or not the franchise sees Herro's play this year as something they'd like to continue to pursue and build around or if they think him doing so much on offense is ok for now, but will cut it back if/when they can bring other players in.

2. I wonder whether the franchise still takes the view Herro/Bam is 1 player away from having a trio that gets you in the running for a title or if they think they need two players who are better than them.

Bam, imo, is basically a bigger, better version of Draymond Green and Herro is a good but, like Bam, I just don't see him being a perennial all-star or all-NBA team guy.

We had a player who was better, and it was enough to get us to the finals, but not enough to win it all. We need a new superstar to build around, not just a star to add to what we have.

SA37 wrote:3. I'd like to know if Miami still sees Robinson putting up as many 3s as possible as part of a winning strategy and if they'd like to re-sign him at a more manageable number when his contract runs out.

4. Lastly, I am super curious to see if Miami uses the Butler trade demand to make big roster changes with some combo of Rozier, Robinson, JJJ, K Love being shipped out. It seems like it is going to require 4-6 teams, depending on where Butler ends up, and that must mean A LOT of people are going to be on the move.

I'm pretty sure that we're going to have to renounce Duncan because his cap hold is ~ $30 million, and re-signing him early at a much lower number would eat into our cap space for that offseason.
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