Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[I Rasharted]

I think re-tooling this roster is very possible but it'll come at a premium.

Yep. Realistically I don't see much happening at the trade deadline or even this offseason, barring some new unforeseen scenario popping up. Might be years before anything significant happens.

Mmm...the plan.

[eyriq]

I think re-tooling this roster is very possible but it'll come at a premium.

Yep. Realistically I don't see much happening at the trade deadline or even this offseason, barring some new unforeseen scenario popping up. Might be years before anything significant happens.

Mmm...the plan.

It's sort of wild how deliberate they've been. Last off-season, with all that cap space, was super critical towards shaping these next few seasons.

[Skybox]

I think re-tooling this roster is very possible but it'll come at a premium.

Yep. Realistically I don't see much happening at the trade deadline or even this offseason, barring some new unforeseen scenario popping up. Might be years before anything significant happens.

Mmm...the plan.

It's sort of wild how deliberate they've been. Last off-season, with all that cap space, was super critical towards shaping these next few seasons.

with that in mind, the reporting was that most of those re-ups (with built-in options, etc) were made for trading...They apparently give the FO lots of optionality. That makes sense, but I still doubt they use any of it. I guess, nowadays, moving guys under contract is a lot more likely than just cap space...I would have thought a tanking (target's) team would love cap space + draft equity over the kind of players a team would be likely to send them.

[eyriq]

Yep. Realistically I don't see much happening at the trade deadline or even this offseason, barring some new unforeseen scenario popping up. Might be years before anything significant happens.

Mmm...the plan.

It's sort of wild how deliberate they've been. Last off-season, with all that cap space, was super critical towards shaping these next few seasons.

with that in mind, the reporting was that most of those re-ups (with built-in options, etc) were made for trading...They apparently give the FO lots of optionality. That makes sense, but I still doubt they use any of it. I guess, nowadays, moving guys under contract is a lot more likely than just cap space...I would have thought a tanking (target's) team would love cap space + draft equity over the kind of players a team would be likely to send them.

Right, I recall that messaging. Harris, Moritz, CoJo, and Caleb are all potential trade fodder.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

If Suggs is hurt longterm/ a few months this will be interesting to see what the FO does. There’s no way you can rely on KCP/Cole/AB/Jett as your rotation.

[RichCollab]

If Suggs is hurt longterm/ a few months this will be interesting to see what the FO does. There’s no way you can rely on KCP/Cole/AB/Jett as your rotation.

Franz and Paolo get back to 100% they could.

Goga would stabilize defense.

Suggs energy is his biggest attribute.

[Blue_and_Whte]

If Suggs is hurt longterm/ a few months this will be interesting to see what the FO does. There’s no way you can rely on KCP/Cole/AB/Jett as your rotation.

Franz and Paolo get back to 100% they could.

Goga would stabilize defense.

Suggs energy is his biggest attribute.

Suggs energy is the teams biggest attribute. The team plays with more energy when he’s playing which was glaringly evident last night.

[OrlandoDream]

If Suggs is hurt longterm/ a few months this will be interesting to see what the FO does. There’s no way you can rely on KCP/Cole/AB/Jett as your rotation.

Franz and Paolo get back to 100% they could.

Goga would stabilize defense.

Suggs energy is his biggest attribute.

Suggs energy is the teams biggest attribute. The team plays with more energy when he’s playing which was glaringly evident last night.

100% The way he keeps spirits up and that no give up mentality is just contagious. Believe it or not, that helps shots fall in for his teammates too. Suggs is just a winner. Franz and Paolo will not have the same level of success without him. I would put Goga in the same category too as far as team boost morale. Having them both back in the starting lineup would be huge for us. It would be much needed to get a little mini run of Ws before all star break and going into second half of season with momentum.

[Blue_and_Whte]

If Suggs is hurt longterm/ a few months this will be interesting to see what the FO does. There’s no way you can rely on KCP/Cole/AB/Jett as your rotation.

Franz and Paolo get back to 100% they could.

Goga would stabilize defense.

Suggs energy is his biggest attribute.

Suggs energy is the teams biggest attribute. The team plays with more energy when he’s playing which was glaringly evident last night.

[Skybox]

Dream Trade Deadline...

ORL sends: Cole Anthony, Jett Howard, ORL 26 frp to Utah (UTA already has multiple 25 frps)
UTA sends: Collin Sexton

ORL sends: Gary Harris, Cory Joesph, Caleb Houstan, 25 srp to TOR (all are TO's, could be kept, bought out, etc)
TOR sends: Kelly Olynyk (to essentially fill in for M. Wagner's offense in the second unit)(could pair with Isaac or WCJ very well)

Summer decisions/options...hopefully, WCJ starts to step up as the key frontcourt player off the bench. WCJ, Isaac, Olynyk, TdS, Sexton and AB make for a very promising second unit, certainly capable of destroying many second units. Regardless of WCJ's performance, we might seek to move his upcoming years of overpaid salary. We will have 2 frps this summer that could be utilized in various ways via trade or just drafting...I think drafting 2 late frps would be a mistake, one could be attached to WCJ for another significant asset and/or future frp. We could look for a big physical frontcourt player with the remaining pick. We will also have the option to not re-up Mo Wagner, who will likely be out until next January...may not want to or need to, but it's an option. I also wouldn't rule out moving AB this summer if he hasn't grabbed or earned a bigger, more promising role...ORL has held on to guys for too long in the past, maybe it's smart to sell before value plummets facing an extension. Even moving KCP (and/or Isaac) could be considered as he would likely still be attractive to an aging would-be contender like LAL, LAC, DEN, or MIL - I respect KCP enough that I want him out of the East, if he's moved . Theoretically, younger, cheaper AB could take his spot and, hopefully, Sexton proves he's worthy of a bigger role, alongside Suggs in the starting lineup. Lots of options and lots of added talent for a serious playoff run.

[Idiosyncratic]

Dream Trade Deadline...

ORL sends: Cole Anthony, Jett Howard, ORL 26 frp to Utah (UTA already has multiple 25 frps)
UTA sends: Collin Sexton

ORL sends: Gary Harris, Cory Joesph, Caleb Houstan, 25 srp to TOR (all are TO's, could be kept, bought out, etc)
TOR sends: Kelly Olynyk (to essentially fill in for M. Wagner's offense in the second unit)(could pair with Isaac or WCJ very well)

Summer decisions/options...hopefully, WCJ starts to step up as the key frontcourt player off the bench. WCJ, Isaac, Olynyk, TdS, Sexton and AB make for a very promising second unit, certainly capable of destroying many second units. Regardless of WCJ's performance, we might seek to move his upcoming years of overpaid salary. We will have 2 frps this summer that could be utilized in various ways via trade or just drafting...I think drafting 2 late frps would be a mistake, one could be attached to WCJ for another significant asset and/or future frp. We could look for a big physical frontcourt player with the remaining pick. We will also have the option to not re-up Mo Wagner, who will likely be out until next January...may not want to or need to, but it's an option. I also wouldn't rule out moving AB this summer if he hasn't grabbed or earned a bigger, more promising role...ORL has held on to guys for too long in the past, maybe it's smart to sell before value plummets facing an extension. Even moving KCP (and/or Isaac) could be considered as he would likely still be attractive to an aging would-be contender like LAL, LAC, DEN, or MIL - I respect KCP enough that I want him out of the East, if he's moved . Theoretically, younger, cheaper AB could take his spot and, hopefully, Sexton proves he's worthy of a bigger role, alongside Suggs in the starting lineup. Lots of options and lots of added talent for a serious playoff run.

Don't hate either, but worth noting the 2026 pick could end up being the Suns or Wizards pick so it has a little more value than a normal 1st of ours. Would prefer to move a different pick. Obviously they would probably prefer that one.

Also worth noting Olynyk would make Mo redundant next year. Rostering both would be a mistake IMO, and given the Franz connection not sure they would do that.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Let’s assume Orlando is open to moving Wagner’s expiring deal. Would John Collins make any sense?

He’s a hybrid stretch big that can play the 4 or small ball 5

I’ve been playing with the numbers and this works out:

Jordan Clarkson (Filipino Orlando connection)
John Collins

For

Mo Wagner (waived)
Gary Harris (likely bought out)
Cole Anthony
Jett Howard
‘26 FRP via Orlando (top-12)
(Possibly SRP’s)

Both players expire in two years, both fill needs and both could help towards a playoff push.

Thoughts?

[Rainwater]

I think re-tooling this roster is very possible but it'll come at a premium.

Yep. Realistically I don't see much happening at the trade deadline or even this offseason, barring some new unforeseen scenario popping up. Might be years before anything significant happens.

Mmm...the plan.

Pretty much agree

[meatwad4343]

Something around Wendell for Simon's would be nice around the trade deadline

[Magic_Johnny12]

Something around Wendell for Simon's would be nice around the trade deadline

Wendell can not be traded this season

[orlando_joe]

mo will not be traded unless some big steal for long term answer..that means no he will not be traded

[GGforever]

An actual point guard, ala Brogdon would be nice and necessary bench depth, instead of playing Cole.
A center is also needed. Ideally it would be someone for this season only, that can take over Moe’s role. However I more and more want it to be in the Goga mold, so he can start instead of Wendell whenever Goga is injured.

[Skybox]

An actual point guard, ala Brogdon would be nice and necessary bench depth, instead of playing Cole.
A center is also needed. Ideally it would be someone for this season only, that can take over Moe’s role. However I more and more want it to be in the Goga mold, so he can start instead of Wendell whenever Goga is injured.

Robert Williams from POR should be available…elite defender

I’d love to add him into a Simons trade and solve both concern- and at a very level.

[Skybox]

An actual point guard, ala Brogdon would be nice and necessary bench depth, instead of playing Cole.
A center is also needed. Ideally it would be someone for this season only, that can take over Moe’s role. However I more and more want it to be in the Goga mold, so he can start instead of Wendell whenever Goga is injured.

Robert Williams from POR should be available…elite defender

I’d love to add him into a Simons trade and solve both concern- and at a very level.

Similar combo “targets” on bad teams that should be sellers…

UTA, my favorite…Sexton & Kessler…they’ll demand a lot, and should

NOLA…CJ McCollum & Daniel Theiss

CHI…Coby White & Jalen Smith

[RichCollab]

An actual point guard, ala Brogdon would be nice and necessary bench depth, instead of playing Cole.
A center is also needed. Ideally it would be someone for this season only, that can take over Moe’s role. However I more and more want it to be in the Goga mold, so he can start instead of Wendell whenever Goga is injured.

Robert Williams from POR should be available…elite defender

I’d love to add him into a Simons trade and solve both concern- and at a very level.

Robert Williams is pretty amazing but injury prone. I want to avoid high risk injury players. We have enough.